ISRAEL V IRAN: Trump just warned everyone should evacuate Tehran

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

BINGO 

 

 

[Doc]

36 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Because social distancing was going away and idiot Trumpers wouldn’t take the vac and instead experimented with garbage remedies like HCQ.  

 

Yeah, they wouldn't take the vac in 2020.  Oh wait...

[Jauronimo]

25 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

30 years ago there were far more than 5 news outlets.  Media is global.  Was then too.  That's why we can almost always piece together truth.  It's important to watch the BBC when trade deals with the UK are being discussed.  Better yet, The Guardian or Economist.  Or the CBC when the 51st state is being discussed...Or the Jerusalem Post or Al Jezeera when the middle east is raging...

 

Yes, algorithms play a huge part in what news people consume.  But they needn't.  There is still truth.

Of course there more outlets around the globe but Americans were primarily getting their news from Brokaw, Rather, Jennings, and their local paper.  Unless you were trading copies of the Turner Diaries with the local militia, you were unlikely to come across the kind of "news" our pals in PPP trade in.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Of course there more outlets around the globe but Americans were primarily getting their news from Brokaw, Rather, Jennings, and their local paper.  Unless you were trading copies of the Turner Diaries with the local militia, you were unlikely to come across the kind of "news" our pals in PPP trade in.

Is the CBC not still available OTA in WNY?  That alone gives a different perspective on many stories (and access to Hockey Night in Canada).  But  yes, I think many don't actually want to consider other perspectives.  International travel and friends help to develop an appetite for them.  Enquiring minds want to know.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

55 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Because social distancing was going away and idiot Trumpers wouldn’t take the vac and instead experimented with garbage remedies like HCQ.  

If vaxx hesitancy and reliance on HCQ was a problem, one can only imagine the spread caused by social justice mass gatherings.  Death and serious illness was very good for the liberals leading up to Biden's election.  Imagine if Trump had not delivered the vaccine? 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

13 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

If vaxx hesitancy and reliance on HCQ was a problem, one can only imagine the spread caused by social justice mass gatherings.  Death and serious illness was very good for the liberals leading up to Biden's election.  Imagine if Trump had not delivered the vaccine? 

The fact that a 5 digit number of ignorant people on the left (possibly more than attended trump's war parade) acted stupidly  does not lead to the conclusion that much of the left didn't abide public health advice.  From personal experience, there were many more redneck maga's endangering others  and refusing vaccination than liberals.  The red state/blue state numbers back up my observations.

[JDHillFan]

26 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

The fact that a 5 digit number of ignorant people on the left (possibly more than attended trump's war parade) acted stupidly  does not lead to the conclusion that much of the left didn't abide public health advice.  From personal experience, there were many more redneck maga's endangering others  and refusing vaccination than liberals.  The red state/blue state numbers back up my observations.

You’ve always been very, very bad at math. A 5 digit number is just a wee bit off 26M don’t you think?

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/americans-continue-to-protest-for-racial-justice-60-years-after-the-march-on-washington/

 

superspreaders!!

[Homelander]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

In 2020.  Maybe 2019.  We knew nothing about it because it was a novel coronavirus.  We had no treatments, certainly no vaccines and weren't sure how to manage it.  By the time Biden took Office, we had vaccines and a better understanding of the virus.  There were as many deaths in Biden's first year as Trump's last year in Office.

 

We knew how to handle COVID. Some just chose not to.

 

It wasn’t an alien virus from another planet - it was a respiratory virus. And yes, it was “novel,” but that doesn’t mean we were flying blind. We’ve had pandemic playbooks for this kind of threat for decades.

 

Countries like South Korea and Taiwan didn’t possess some secret knowledge - they simply listened to scientists instead of talk show hosts.

 

Meanwhile, Russian bots-paid influencers we were busy instigating whether masks made you weak and whether bleach injections might be worth a try. And even now, some are still blaming the president who wasn’t even in office when the pandemic began.

 

And here's the indisputable truth: blue states, overall, fared better than red states. They followed the science, implemented public health measures, and took the crisis seriously. The result? Lower death rates, stronger healthcare responses, and fewer lives lost. That’s not just a political difference - it reflects a deeper reality: blue states tend to be better educated, and that matters. It means a greater trust in science, a stronger grasp of how viruses work, and a better ability to distinguish facts from conspiracies.

 

So no, it’s not that we didn’t know what to do. It’s that a significant portion of the country refused to know. That’s not a knowledge gap - it’s a values gap. And it cost lives.

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

19 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

The fact that a 5 digit number of ignorant people on the left (possibly more than attended trump's war parade) acted stupidly  does not lead to the conclusion that much of the left didn't abide public health advice.  From personal experience, there were many more redneck maga's endangering others  and refusing vaccination than liberals.  The red state/blue state numbers back up my observations.

Nonsense.  When tens of thousands of people protest regularly in cities across the country, traveling from there to here, or here to there, standing shoulder to shoulder, the damage is exponential.  Worse still, these same folks often returned to disadvantaged communities, obviously spreading the virus to people the most at-risk members of the community, the death and damage from things like long covid would be unfathomable.   You can attempt to downplay that all you like, but it's obviously bull-sh!t.    To make matters worse, then VP Harris and soon to be Candidate Harris spread vaxx disinformation to many people of all parties and encouraged distrust of the vaccine developed in very quick order through a strategic alliance between pharma and govt.  The damage she did there was catastrophic---at least when viewed through the number of potentially unnecessary deaths on her watch. 

 

Meanwhile, millions of conservative, independents followed the guidance, social distanced, stayed away from houses of worship, kept to themselves in families where no more than two households were gathered at any given point in time and quarantined in place once they became ill. 

 

Then again, this is just what the science and common sense tell us.  

[ComradeKayAdams]

3 hours ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

Guilty as charged. Yes, I ate that book up. It really spoke to me and my experiences living in Western New York. Yes, there are good regulations, but the homeless problem her is just horrible. We care so much for the poor we make them live on the streets. The world is changing so fast and the Democrats are stuck in the past, imo. Their answer to every problem seems like more paperwork

 

LOL…I knew it! I can spot an Abundance stan from a mile away! Sorry, but I’m just not a fan. The only meaningful message I could glean from the book is that Democrats need to deliver on their promises to improve people’s daily lives. That’s about it. You know my politics, Tibsy, so you know that I think progressives are far better positioned than establishment liberals to solve these problems.

 

If you want to talk about homelessness, increasing the housing supply is only one component of a multi-faceted issue. Sure, there are definitely silly regulations that hinder housing construction progress. But what about oligopoly effects from corporate landlords? Sluggish wage growth relative to rising prices throughout the economy? Bankruptcies due to health care debt? Mental health crises? Drug addictions? Deficiencies in our veterans affairs program?

 

Then there’s the grave matter of ecosystem collapse due to suburban sprawl. You praised Houston for its lax building regulations, but us New Yorkers are not like Texans! We actually care about things up here like the environment, efficient transportation, and global warming. I can be aligned with you on issues like public housing and anti-NIMBY politics, but a lot of that available land needs to be reserved for natural carbon sequestration (i.e. planting trees) in the form of (preferably unfragmented) woodland/wetland ecosystems.

 

Ugh…I hijacked the Iran thread…so I suppose I’ll ask, again, the collective PPP warmongers salivating at regime change: where is the evidence that Iran’s nuclear program posed an imminent threat to Israel and the United States? Note how “imminent” doesn’t mean “eventual.” This question should be the CENTRAL FOCUS of this thread.

 

Also, for the people who think Iranian regime change is a simple matter of bombing the right places and that it won’t escalate to American boots on the ground: what about the potential for a refugee crisis a la Syria 2015, when Iran is FOUR TIMES the population size of Syria?? The law of unintended consequences…ugh…

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 minute ago, JDHillFan said:

You’ve always been very, very bad at math. A 5 digit number is just a wee bit off 26M don’t you think?

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/americans-continue-to-protest-for-racial-justice-60-years-after-the-march-on-washington/

 

superspreaders!!

A "doctor' minimizing the spread of a highly contagious disease in mass gatherings is really fascinating to see, but it goes back to the notion that even people with medicine have agendas that trump common sense.  It was sort of an awkward pitch he made though---The fact that a 5 digit number of ignorant people---it's like he had to work extra hard to find something silly to say to distract from what he was saying., 

 

 

 

[JDHillFan]

12 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

A "doctor' minimizing the spread of a highly contagious disease in mass gatherings is really fascinating to see, but it goes back to the notion that even people with medicine have agendas that trump common sense.  It was sort of an awkward pitch he made though---The fact that a 5 digit number of ignorant people---it's like he had to work extra hard to find something silly to say to distract from what he was saying., 

 

 

 

You said trump. 

[Wacka]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Is the CBC not still available OTA in WNY?  That alone gives a different perspective on many stories (and access to Hockey Night in Canada).  

Obviously you haven't been in  WNY for years. Both CBC and CTV were available with the antenna on the roof that rotated.  Both were on cable, but CTV was dropped maybe in  the 90s.  With  the  digital  antennas you put in your window, I can't even get WBBZ (MeTV) which has a tower in Springville. I sometimes get lower power stations from Olean or  Elmira. Don't get any Rochester  area ones.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

22 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Nonsense.  When tens of thousands of people protest regularly in cities across the country, traveling from there to here, or here to there, standing shoulder to shoulder, the damage is exponential.  Worse still, these same folks often returned to disadvantaged communities, obviously spreading the virus to people the most at-risk members of the community, the death and damage from things like long covid would be unfathomable.   You can attempt to downplay that all you like, but it's obviously bull-sh!t.    To make matters worse, then VP Harris and soon to be Candidate Harris spread vaxx disinformation to many people of all parties and encouraged distrust of the vaccine developed in very quick order through a strategic alliance between pharma and govt.  The damage she did there was catastrophic---at least when viewed through the number of potentially unnecessary deaths on her watch. 

 

Meanwhile, millions of conservative, independents followed the guidance, social distanced, stayed away from houses of worship, kept to themselves in families where no more than two households were gathered at any given point in time and quarantined in place once they became ill. 

 

Then again, this is just what the science and common sense tell us.  

Biden was criticized for running his campaign from the basement.  trump had his normal glad handing, threat shouting rallies full of fools.  More reds died than blues.  Simple as that.

[Wacka]

Besides  his brain being mush, they had to protect Biden from getting any infections because his immune system was probably down from his treatment for the prostate cancer. 

[Mikie2times]

13 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

LOL…I knew it! I can spot an Abundance stan from a mile away! Sorry, but I’m just not a fan. The only meaningful message I could glean from the book is that Democrats need to deliver on their promises to improve people’s daily lives. That’s about it. You know my politics, Tibsy, so you know that I think progressives are far better positioned than establishment liberals to solve these problems.

 

If you want to talk about homelessness, increasing the housing supply is only one component of a multi-faceted issue. Sure, there are definitely silly regulations that hinder housing construction progress. But what about oligopoly effects from corporate landlords? Sluggish wage growth relative to rising prices throughout the economy? Bankruptcies due to health care debt? Mental health crises? Drug addictions? Deficiencies in our veterans affairs program?

 

Then there’s the grave matter of ecosystem collapse due to suburban sprawl. You praised Houston for its lax building regulations, but us New Yorkers are not like Texans! We actually care about things up here like the environment, efficient transportation, and global warming. I can be aligned with you on issues like public housing and anti-NIMBY politics, but a lot of that available land needs to be reserved for natural carbon sequestration (i.e. planting trees) in the form of (preferably unfragmented) woodland/wetland ecosystems.

 

Ugh…I hijacked the Iran thread…so I suppose I’ll ask, again, the collective PPP warmongers salivating at regime change: where is the evidence that Iran’s nuclear program posed an imminent threat to Israel and the United States? Note how “imminent” doesn’t mean “eventual.” This question should be the CENTRAL FOCUS of this thread.

 

Also, for the people who think Iranian regime change is a simple matter of bombing the right places and that it won’t escalate to American boots on the ground: what about the potential for a refugee crisis a la Syria 2015, when Iran is FOUR TIMES the population size of Syria?? The law of unintended consequences…ugh…

I’ll answer your questions, but I’m genuinely curious what you think SHOULD happen.

 

How should Iran be treated when it comes to the nuclear threat, regardless of how close they are to building a bomb? What is a reasonable expectation for how a neighboring country should respond to a regime that threatens its existence and actively funds and arms violent proxies surrounding it? And how should allies of that country respond, especially if they claim to share its security concerns?

 

I understand the hesitation. I can even agree that Iran might not be on the verge of weaponization, and that ultimately, meaningful change within Iran has to come from its own people. But at some point, doesn’t the world have to confront the fact that a regime with deep connections to terrorism is becoming increasingly nuclear capable?

 

To me, this was always going to be a ***** sandwich. Maybe it did not have to be dealt with right now, but it was always going to come to a head eventually. So the real question is not whether to deal with it but how and when. The longer it is delayed, the more dangerous and unstable it becomes. There was never going to be a clean or comfortable moment to handle this. Someone was always going to have to take the first bite. The only question is whether it is done recklessly and alone, or strategically and with collective responsibility.

 

I still don't know what is the best answer is, but what I'm reading here is a lot of people that agree or don't agree but neither side comes up up with a solution to deal with the underlying issues of either position they want to take. You seem to have a high amount of knowledge of the region so what would be your strategy here?  

[TH3]

2 hours ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

BINGO 

 

 

Ben N totally screwing up the launch of the Trump phone 

50 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I’ll answer your questions, but I’m genuinely curious what you think SHOULD happen.

 

How should Iran be treated when it comes to the nuclear threat, regardless of how close they are to building a bomb? What is a reasonable expectation for how a neighboring country should respond to a regime that threatens its existence and actively funds and arms violent proxies surrounding it? And how should allies of that country respond, especially if they claim to share its security concerns?

 

I understand the hesitation. I can even agree that Iran might not be on the verge of weaponization, and that ultimately, meaningful change within Iran has to come from its own people. But at some point, doesn’t the world have to confront the fact that a regime with deep connections to terrorism is becoming increasingly nuclear capable?

 

To me, this was always going to be a ***** sandwich. Maybe it did not have to be dealt with right now, but it was always going to come to a head eventually. So the real question is not whether to deal with it but how and when. The longer it is delayed, the more dangerous and unstable it becomes. There was never going to be a clean or comfortable moment to handle this. Someone was always going to have to take the first bite. The only question is whether it is done recklessly and alone, or strategically and with collective responsibility.

 

I still don't know what is the best answer is, but what I'm reading here is a lot of people that agree or don't agree but neither side comes up up with a solution to deal with the underlying issues of either position they want to take. You seem to have a high amount of knowledge of the region so what would be your strategy here?  

Hesitation? 🤣

You speak of dt like he and his crew have a freaking clue…the ONLY person there with any cred is Rubio

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, Wacka said:

Obviously you haven't been in  WNY for years. Both CBC and CTV were available with the antenna on the roof that rotated.  Both were on cable, but CTV was dropped maybe in  the 90s.  With  the  digital  antennas you put in your window, I can't even get WBBZ (MeTV) which has a tower in Springville. I sometimes get lower power stations from Olean or  Elmira. Don't get any Rochester  area ones.

we got the big 3 over the air from Buffalo on a rooftop antenna.  CBC from Toronto was the best reception of them all.  We got whatever station did the Bozo show from Grand Island.😆

[aristocrat]

3 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Because social distancing was going away and idiot Trumpers wouldn’t take the vac and instead experimented with garbage remedies like HCQ.  

Wife was an icu nurse. The demographic least vaxxed was African Americans. Didn’t trust it because of Tuskegee experiments.look that ***** up and I’d love to hear your thoughts but you won’t.  I think they were at 30-40 percent vaxxed of their population. Another large population were large hippie populations who are old school dems that don’t vax or shower in general. 
 

did magas not get vaccinated? Yes but a lot of other people didn’t.  

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, JDHillFan said:

You said trump. 

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