Los Angeles under military attack

[Mikie2times]

6 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

 

In other words mostly peaceful, right?

 

 

When you call ILLEGAL ALIENS  immigrants or undocumented migrants people will tune you out.  

 

You want honest discussion here at PPP?  Maybe start from a place of honesty then?  They are here illegally. That clearly doesn't bother you, but when you start with framing your entire argument by using language meant to deceive,  then you get what you get in return.

 

 

 

And here's your X posts.  How tone deaf do you have to be to ignore all the American CITIZENS victimized by illegals who have no right to be here? But we're all proud of you coming out unscathed (so far) and musing about cheaper avocados.

 

 

I don't call them illegal alien foreign invaders because that's not what I call them. You can call them whatever you want.

 

I take it from your response they haven't directly impacted you either? I can also post a story about a shark attack or a plane crash. Should we no longer swim in the ocean or fly?

 

It's statistically proven immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than US born citiczens. https://www.nber.org/papers/w31440 

 

I'm not debating they should be here. I'm laughing at you over your outrage for something that you will never feel. 

 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said:

Your exaggeration is amazing.

Yes Biden was useless and created this migrant situation. Yes some dangerous people need to be arrested and deported. Yes gangs are dangerous. Many of the people grabbed up are not dangerous, are worthy of being considered for citizens and should be dealt with in a civilized manner.

Yes we want civilized society, but this is not a free society that trump represents. 

Would I want free passage from US to Canada...Yes. we were heading that way 20 years ago. 

I crossed for pleasure (Bills season ticket holder), for business meetings for more than 30 years to our US offices, without 1 incident. Then the US demanded Canada share information on Canadian citizens, records, addresses, travel history. The US NEVER shared the same info to this date.

So things changed. I was constantly pulled over entering US going to a Bills game on early Sunday morning. Couldn't take certain foods, even questioned about propane tank, my 10 year old son was questioned about why we always crossed border on Sundays (Yes Sunday game days). 

Now a Canadian with a major driving offense when they were 20 yrs old prevents them from entering US. A Canadian who hit a little trouble at 18 cannot enter US. 

Inter business transfers of employees from US to Canada and Canada to US happened regularly, then the US decided this had to change...and did it ever.

Certainly there were changes after 9 11, but the threat wasn't from Canada. Hell, the US allowed those guys, non citizens to take pilot training without any clearance, but I got detained going to a tail gate at a Bills game. 

It went from free and easy access to having your prez threaten Canada over the past few years. We are having protests about allowing a convicted felon to enter Canada for the G7.

 

It will never go back.

The pendulum has swung so far that military is being readied to use against your citizens, freedoms of citizens are being trampled because all dictators trample decent. 

This is about Newsom, because Abbott in Texas would have to ask for help before National Guard would be used. You know it. 

Don't point fingers at the democrats, they are dangerous, but not dangerous to democracy.

 

 

LOL!  His exaggeration is amazing?  There won’t be any more elections in the US?  Trump will use the military to, what, shoot people for no reason?

[Bray Wyatt]

11 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I don't call them illegal alien foreign invaders because that's not what I call them. You can call them whatever you want.

 

I take it from your response they haven't directly impacted you either? I can also post a story about a shark attack or a plane crash. Should we no longer swim in the ocean or fly?

 

It's statistically proven immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than US born citiczens. https://www.nber.org/papers/w31440 

 

I'm not debating they should be here. I'm laughing at you over your outrage for something that you will never feel. 

 

 

As you say you are someone that supports LGBTQ and abortion stuff, this certainly seems an interesting position to take

[BillsFanNC]

4 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I don't call them illegal alien foreign invaders because that's not what I call them. You can call them whatever you want.

 

I know you don't call them what they are because you've swallowed your masters' narrative whole.

 

I describe them using words that describe their presence here accurately.  They broke the law entering the country, and they are thus here illegally.  

 

Now if we're talking actual immigrants, or those who entered this country according to the law, then I fully support those people being here. 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

 

I take it from your response they haven't directly impacted you either? I can also post a story about a shark attack or a plane crash. Should we no longer swim in the ocean or fly?

 

For me and most of the country the number of acceptable crimes committed by illegal aliens in the USA is zero.

 

Since you want to make ridiculous comparisons to known risks people take every day that have nothing to do with THE LAW I'll ask you this:

 

What's the number of acceptable murders, rapes, robberies etc. committed by illegal aliens in the USA for you?  Or does it only matter when it hits close to home?  

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

 

It's statistically proven immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than US born citiczens. https://www.nber.org/papers/w31440 

 

I'm not debating they should be here. I'm laughing at you over your outrage for something that you will never feel. 

 

 

Since this paper is about crime among immigrants I'm only left to assume that they are talking about the legal kind. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if lawful immigrants, who have been vetted and have gone through the legal immigration process, commit less crime.

 

Now do illegal rate among the unvetted who entered the country by the millions over the last four years.

 

 

[Mikie2times]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

I know you don't call them what they are because you've swallowed your masters' narrative whole.

 

I describe them using words that describe their presence here accurately.  They broke the law entering the country, and they are thus here illegally.  

 

Now if we're talking actual immigrants, or those who entered this country according to the law, then I fully support those people being here. 

 

 

 

 

For me and most of the country the number of acceptable crimes committed by illegal aliens in the USA is zero.

 

Since you want to make ridiculous comparisons to known risks people take every day that have nothing to do with THE LAW I'll ask you this:

 

What's the number of acceptable murders, rapes, robberies etc. committed by illegal aliens in the USA for you?  Or does it only matter when it hits close to home?  

 

 

 

 

Since this paper is about crime among immigrants I'm only left to assume that they are talking about the legal kind. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if lawful immigrants, who have been vetted and have gone through the legal immigration process, commit less crime.

 

Now do illegal rate among the unvetted who entered the country by the millions over the last four years.

 

 

I expect they will commit crimes at same rate as the national average, yet they don't, it's much lower. The article applies to illegals and it also talks about the legal foreign born citizens. As I have said, the US needs to find a path. What Biden did was wrong, but we will be deploying our military on US citizens as a result of this topic. It has become probably the number one marching order of the right. Once complete, by all means, tell me how your life will be better? The #1 agenda of a political party should offer an improvement on normal peoples everyday life shouldn't it? Is that what we are seeing?

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

15 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I expect they will commit crimes at same rate as the national average, yet they don't, it's much lower. The article applies to illegals and it also talks about the legal foreign born citizens. As I have said, the US needs to find a path. What Biden did was wrong, but we will be deploying our military on US citizens as a result of this topic. It has become probably the number one marching order of the right. Once complete, by all means, tell me how your life will be better? The #1 agenda of a political party should offer an improvement on normal peoples everyday life shouldn't it? Is that what we are seeing?

The point is the crime rate of illegals should be zero. Not sure what you're trying to argue. Do u have the same compassion for people who get dwis and shop lifters? No.

[K D]

Perfect form tackle on a protester. Bills should sign this man immediately 

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

42 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I expect they will commit crimes at same rate as the national average, yet they don't, it's much lower. The article applies to illegals and it also talks about the legal foreign born citizens. As I have said, the US needs to find a path. What Biden did was wrong, but we will be deploying our military on US citizens as a result of this topic. It has become probably the number one marching order of the right. Once complete, by all means, tell me how your life will be better? The #1 agenda of a political party should offer an improvement on normal peoples everyday life shouldn't it? Is that what we are seeing?

 

Just because you don't recognize the costs of illegal immigration doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  Unless you don't pay taxes. Maybe you don't?  The burden put on public education, social welfare programs, health insurance, public housing etc. are well documented without even mentioning the crime.  But you can't even acknowledge that they are here illegally so not surprising.

 

The crime rate of illegal immigrants is 100% by the way. 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

I don't like Gavin Newsom. I think he's a phony and an intellectual lightweight.

But I'm impressed by his political chops. Almost Bill Clinton-esque when he sees an opportunity. This little turnabout is fair play thing is pretty damn clever:

 

https://www.axios.com/2025/06/12/gavin-newsom-trump-mental-fitness

 

"He is not the same person that I dealt with just four years ago, and he's incapable of even a train of thought," Newsom, a potential 2028 presidential contender, told Fox LA. "He's lost it."

 

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Just because you don't recognize the costs of illegal immigration doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  Unless you don't pay taxes. Maybe you don't?  The burden put on public education, social welfare programs, health insurance, public housing etc. are well documented without even mentioning the crime.  But you can't even acknowledge that they are here illegally so not surprising.

 

The crime rate of illegal immigrants is 100% by the way. 

 

The irony of a guy that has the time to repost political X content on a NFL message board 40 times a day saying somebody else doesn't pay taxes. You're either retired, on disability, or unemployed. Regardless of the answer, your welcome. 

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

The irony of a guy that has the time to repost political X content on a NFL message board 40 times a day saying somebody else doesn't pay taxes. You're either retired, on disability, or unemployed. Regardless of the answer, your welcome. 

Yeah, "The crime rate of illegal immigrants is 100%." That would include, of course, Elon Musk (student visa violator), Melania (who filled out national security need for light porn models) and all sorts of other visa overstayers, student visa holders who started businesses, etc, etc.

[BillsFanNC]

13 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

The irony of a guy that has the time to repost political X content on a NFL message board 40 times a day saying somebody else doesn't pay taxes. You're either retired, on disability, or unemployed. Regardless of the answer, your welcome. 

 

Ahhhh and here we go.  See, when I do engage with dishonest leftists like you it take less than a handful of posts until we get to the same tired deflection, Bullstojan style. 

 

Great job at quickly abandoning the honest debate that you claim to crave.

 

I do very well thank you very much and I'd bet a significant portion of my yearly income that my corresponding tax liability dwarfs yours.

 

 

Edited 22 hours ago by BillsFanNC

[Bray Wyatt]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Ahhhh and here we go.  See, when I do engage with dishonest leftists like you it take less than a handful of posts until we get to the same tired deflection, Bullstojan style. 

 

Great job at quickly abandoning the honest debate that you claim to crave.

 

I do very well thank you very much and I'd bet a significant portion of my yearly income that my corresponding tax liability dwarfs yours.

 

 

 

He does not want an honest debate when his whole premise is flawed in the well how does it impact me trope. Lots of things he says he is for dont impact him directly. 

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

He does not want an honest debate when his whole premise is flawed in the well how does it impact me trope. Lots of things he says he is for dont impact him directly. 

Yeah, it's not like Tarheel with his ultra-productive salesman gig has time to count the posts of some other guy on PPP or anything like that ....

[Mikie2times]

20 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Ahhhh and here we go.  See, when I do engage with dishonest leftists like you it take less than a handful of posts until we get to the same tired deflection, Bullstojan style. 

 

Great job at quickly abandoning the honest debate that you claim to crave.

 

I do very well thank you very much and I'd bet a significant portion of my yearly income that my corresponding tax liability dwarfs yours.

 

 

I didn't start down the path of talking about my tax liabilities did I? The only insult I ever pointed your way is about your addiction to posting. 

Edited 22 hours ago by Mikie2times

[All_Pro_Bills]

3 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

Your exaggeration is amazing.

Yes Biden was useless and created this migrant situation. Yes some dangerous people need to be arrested and deported. Yes gangs are dangerous. Many of the people grabbed up are not dangerous, are worthy of being considered for citizens and should be dealt with in a civilized manner.

Yes we want civilized society, but this is not a free society that trump represents. 

Would I want free passage from US to Canada...Yes. we were heading that way 20 years ago. 

I crossed for pleasure (Bills season ticket holder), for business meetings for more than 30 years to our US offices, without 1 incident. Then the US demanded Canada share information on Canadian citizens, records, addresses, travel history. The US NEVER shared the same info to this date.

So things changed. I was constantly pulled over entering US going to a Bills game on early Sunday morning. Couldn't take certain foods, even questioned about propane tank, my 10 year old son was questioned about why we always crossed border on Sundays (Yes Sunday game days). 

Now a Canadian with a major driving offense when they were 20 yrs old prevents them from entering US. A Canadian who hit a little trouble at 18 cannot enter US. 

Inter business transfers of employees from US to Canada and Canada to US happened regularly, then the US decided this had to change...and did it ever.

Certainly there were changes after 9 11, but the threat wasn't from Canada. Hell, the US allowed those guys, non citizens to take pilot training without any clearance, but I got detained going to a tail gate at a Bills game. 

It went from free and easy access to having your prez threaten Canada over the past few years. We are having protests about allowing a convicted felon to enter Canada for the G7.

 

It will never go back.

The pendulum has swung so far that military is being readied to use against your citizens, freedoms of citizens are being trampled because all dictators trample decent. 

This is about Newsom, because Abbott in Texas would have to ask for help before National Guard would be used. You know it. 

Don't point fingers at the democrats, they are dangerous, but not dangerous to democracy.

 

 

First off, I've got to agree with you that U.S. Customs is a much bigger hassle than Canada Customs. Although its been several years, my experience has been pretty consistent when crossing the border into Canada. A couple basic questions and come on in. On the U.S. sides coming back its hit and miss. You might sail through, you might not. The only problem I ever had in Canada was getting grilled by two Cops in Toronto when I was in my 20's. I wasn't doing anything. Maybe they thought I looked "suspicious" or something?

 

As for American freedom being trampled by the current administration I'm not clear exactly what freedoms, or the freedom to do what is being threatened. 

 

As for threatening democracy, let's not overlook the fact it was the Democrats and their media co-conspirators that flew cover to protect a mentally compromised President while aides and unknown persons made Presidential decisions outside of the Constitutional and legal framework of the Executive branches powers. A coup by another name. That's seems pretty undemocratic. Un-elected unknowns making non-delegateable decisions substituting for the elected President on decisions reserved for the President. The proper procedural action should have been to invoke the 25th Amendment to the Constitution, remove the President, and elevate VP Harris to the Presidency. Instead they played games in the shadows.  

 

As for these street riots in L.A., there's no Constitutional rights or freedoms being threatened because there are no protections in place to destroy property, attack public and private citizens and law enforcement, start stuff on fire, attack Federal facilities, and loot stores. Crime is illegal but Democrats seem okay with their modern day Brownshirts in the streets of American cities. None of this can be remotely classified or described as "peaceful protest". On top of this, they make all kinds of excuses and frankly irrational arguments to provide exemptions to the "rule of law" to foreigners coming into the country illegally. 

 

As celebrities and others express outrage in various media at ICE arresting illegals and taking them off the streets and protesters moan and groan about authoritarians they were asked a simple question. These people we're arresting are pedophiles, murderers, rapists, drug dealers, gang member, and human traffickers and other bad actors. Which of these people of outstanding character do you want us to let go back into these communities?

 

Is the irony of the Democrats insane and preposterous positions on illegals lost on anyone else by the fact that one of the groups most supportive of these enforcement against against illegals is immigrants that came to America legally?

Edited 22 hours ago by All_Pro_Bills

[BillsFanNC]

Mostly peaceful!

 

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

2 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

I don't call them illegal alien foreign invaders because that's not what I call them. You can call them whatever you want.

 

I take it from your response they haven't directly impacted you either? I can also post a story about a shark attack or a plane crash. Should we no longer swim in the ocean or fly?

 

It's statistically proven immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than US born citiczens. https://www.nber.org/papers/w31440 

 

I'm not debating they should be here. I'm laughing at you over your outrage for something that you will never feel. 

 

It is always funny to me when someone pulls out a stat like "illegals commit less crimes" when anyone with any concept of logic or intelligence knows that is not true. The only reason these stats exist in this form is LA, and probably all sanctuary cities, do not count any crime as being committed by an illegal alien. It is the same reason not one transgender person ever committed a crime prior to 2016, no one counted it. But since I am certain you believe this can you give me a reason why so many murder rates are dropping this year around the country in cities with high illegal immigrants rates? 

[Mikie2times]

13 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

It is always funny to me when someone pulls out a stat like "illegals commit less crimes" when anyone with any concept of logic or intelligence knows that is not true. The only reason these stats exist in this form is LA, and probably all sanctuary cities, do not count any crime as being committed by an illegal alien. It is the same reason not one transgender person ever committed a crime prior to 2016, no one counted it. But since I am certain you believe this can you give me a reason why so many murder rates are dropping this year around the country in cities with high illegal immigrants rates? 

I don't think people can "hide" a murder charge in the state of Texas. Nor do I think Texas is exactly friendly towards illegals. Yet the Homicide rates for illegals are 26% lower than US born citizens and 61% lower for legal non US born citizens. This isn't a hard exercise. The US has highest murder rate of any G7 country the last 3 years. People who aren't born here don't have the affinity for violence the natives do. Go figure. 

 

https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/illegal-immigrant-murderers-texas-2013-2022

Edited 22 hours ago by Mikie2times

[Niagara Bill]

13 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

First off, I've got to agree with you that U.S. Customs is a much bigger hassle than Canada Customs. Although its been several years, my experience has been pretty consistent when crossing the border into Canada. A couple basic questions and come on in. On the U.S. sides coming back its hit and miss. You might sail through, you might not. The only problem I ever had in Canada was getting grilled by two Cops in Toronto when I was in my 20's. I wasn't doing anything. Maybe they thought I looked "suspicious" or something?

 

As for American freedom being trampled by the current administration I'm not clear exactly what freedoms, or the freedom to do what is being threatened. 

 

As for threatening democracy, let's not overlook the fact it was the Democrats and their media co-conspirators that flew cover to protect a mentally compromised President while aides and unknown persons made Presidential decisions outside of the Constitutional and legal framework of the Executive branches powers. A coup by another name. That's seems pretty undemocratic. Un-elected unknowns making non-delegateable decisions substituting for the elected President on decisions reserved for the President. The proper procedural action should have been to invoke the 25th Amendment to the Constitution, remove the President, and elevate VP Harris to the Presidency. Instead they played games in the shadows.  

 

As for these street riots in L.A., there's no Constitutional rights or freedoms being threatened because there are no protections in place to destroy property, attack public and private citizens and law enforcement, start stuff on fire, attack Federal facilities, and loot stores. Crime is illegal but Democrats seem okay with their modern day Brownshirts in the streets of American cities. None of this can be remotely classified or described as "peaceful protest". On top of this, they make all kinds of excuses and frankly irrational arguments to provide exemptions to the "rule of law" to foreigners coming into the country illegally. 

 

As celebrities and others express outrage in various media at ICE arresting illegals and taking them off the streets and protesters moan and groan about authoritarians they were asked a simple question. These people we're arresting are pedophiles, murderers, rapists, drug dealers, gang member, and human traffickers and other bad actors. Which of these people of outstanding character do you want us to let go back into these communities?

 

Is the irony of the Democrats insane and preposterous positions on illegals lost on anyone else by the fact that one of the groups most supportive of these enforcement against against illegals is immigrants that came to America legally?

The stupidity of democrats is not lost on me. Biden will historically be one if the worst presidents in history, at the end incapable, controlled by the woke left for their purpose, appealing to migrants rather than citizens. Under Biden why were sanctuary cities necessary, because criminal organizations wanted them for cover.

But all that does not excuse trump, his abuse of power, his threats against allies, his use of military against citizens, or preparing to do so saying it is legal. And let's not discuss tariffs, Putin/Ukraine, Israel, Taco, the BB bill, and market manipulation, crypto, and corruption making Hunter Biden look like a *****. 

Getting back to the border, my neighbour and friend had a DWI at age 19. He is 78. Successful businessman. Cannot cross the border.