For those saying “this is what we voted for…”

[JDHillFan]

47 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

And yet it was still more productive and less damaging than the Trump gang of Fox News cuts. I’d happily vote for it again.

How so? The border disaster that the most dim among us believe was about skin color? That part was more productive and less damaging? I’m glad you are in a minority that gets smaller by the day. 

From the NYT this holiday weekend:

 

Democrats hope that this is only a phenomenon of the Trump era, and that G.O.P. gains will evaporate once the president is no longer on the ballot.... But Chris Kofinis, a Democratic strategist who served as chief of staff to former Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia, who left the party last year, warned that such optimism was misplaced. 'Trump is the symptom, not the disease,” he said. “The disease is the fact that you have lost touch with a whole swath of voters that used to consistently vote Democratic.”...

 

Your party and ideology suck. You are truly a 20%er. 

 

[4th&long]

1 minute ago, JDHillFan said:

How so? The border disaster that the most dim among us believe was about skin color? That part was more productive and less damaging? I’m glad you are in a minority that gets smaller by the day. 

From the NYT this holiday weekend:

 

Democrats hope that this is only a phenomenon of the Trump era, and that G.O.P. gains will evaporate once the president is no longer on the ballot.... But Chris Kofinis, a Democratic strategist who served as chief of staff to former Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia, who left the party last year, warned that such optimism was misplaced. 'Trump is the symptom, not the disease,” he said. “The disease is the fact that you have lost touch with a whole swath of voters that used to consistently vote Democratic.”...

 

Your party and ideology suck. You are truly a 20%er. 

 

This from a trump supporter.  Maga is trash. 

[JDHillFan]

7 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

This from a trump supporter.  Maga is trash. 

Don’t pretend you read all that. It was more than a sentence. Not in your wheelhouse. 

[4th&long]

2 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Don’t pretend you read all that. It was more than a sentence. Not in your wheelhouse. 

Keep sucking trumps ass. 

[JFKjr]

On 5/25/2025 at 12:45 PM, stevestojan said:

So - and not judging, legit asking - trans athletes were a bigger issue for you and others than things that impact folks daily, like price of their consumer goods increasing? For the record, I am a registered Dem (duh  ) and I agree with you on the men in women’s sports topic. It is interesting to me that no one gave two craps about women’s sports until this, but I digress as I agree with you. 
 

As far as Covid, won’t get into that argument, but let’s say I disagree to a point  (I don’t 100%, it’s more nuanced in my opinion, but it certainly wasn’t handled well in retrospect) are you saying you vote was more anti-dem than pro Trump? That’s Ok if so, and I get that as my vote certainly wasn’t “pro” Kamala since I never got the chance to pick my candidate after they brought Joe out of his padded room for the debate heard round the world. 
 

Thanks for engaging! 
 

 

 

Yes, it means Democrats are disconnected from reality and can't be trusted to run the country. Of course Trans is not the only issue that they've proven that, we've also got: Climate Hysteria, Porous Borders, Endless Government Waste & Fraud, Covid Mandates, Green Energy Fixation, School Gender Issues, Funneling Money To Ukraine and Joe Biden Dementia Blindness.

 

It does sound like *you* are feeling the pain. I haven't noticed much on the consumer price front other than eggs coming down a bit.

 

 

[Big Blitz]

39 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

Who was the prez when the schools were shut down? Stfu. I laugh at you because you say the left is evil, I'm not saying that is wrong although I'm not sure I'd use that word, but you conveniently overlook how evil Trump is. The guy is complete trash. And covid started under trump and he shut things down

 

If Trump the so called fascist was actually fascist the schools would have been open and the Constitution broken.  
 

The states control the shamdemic protocols.  
 

Which is why DeSantis remains the greatest governor in the history of the United States.   

 

 

 

 

Then Biden used OSHA to force us all to get vaccines we never needed to get back to work.  
 

Labeled us domestic terrorists if just bad mouthed the vax.  
 

Who are the fascist trash again?  

[JFKjr]

6 hours ago, stevestojan said:

Oh, He can turn on the charm when needed. He just CANT turn off the other side. But like you said, you all knew that. And voted for him despite it, because the party and politics trump (pun, pardon me) the single man. 

 

Mine was a positive vote for Trump, no "despite" about it. 

 

Meanwhile Dems continue flailing.

 

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

3 hours ago, 4th&long said:

Who was the prez when the schools were shut down? Stfu. I laugh at you because you say the left is evil, I'm not saying that is wrong although I'm not sure I'd use that word, but you conveniently overlook how evil Trump is. The guy is complete trash. And covid started under trump and he shut things down

4th calm down, I mean this, this is not a topic worth getting worked up over. But Trump was prez in in 2020 but States decided lockdowns, I went to work in August of 2020 and many others did not have that options. I do contend it was evil, because it destroyed the innocent and young to protect the old. Bashing Trump, even when accurate, does not change my beliefs since Trump's inadequacy does not mean the libs were any more reasonable. 

[4th&long]

8 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

4th calm down, I mean this, this is not a topic worth getting worked up over. But Trump was prez in in 2020 but States decided lockdowns, I went to work in August of 2020 and many others did not have that options. I do contend it was evil, because it destroyed the innocent and young to protect the old. Bashing Trump, even when accurate, does not change my beliefs since Trump's inadequacy does not mean the libs were any more reasonable. 

I do agree with you that both sides can be very unreasonable. 

 

I wasn't for shutting down schools, especially for so long. I felt bad for parents that had to school their children. As a parent who home schools we grew into it one child at a time. To have multiple kids at home all at once and no experience home schooling your kids and you have to work, all at once, that is a recipe for disaster. Not every parent is geared to home school. My wife had what it took. 

 

I think trump is evil the way he treats people. 

[SectionC3]

On 5/25/2025 at 10:15 PM, boyst said:

I voted for Trump and would again because we need a better education system in this country. We need people who know aisle from isle. Trump will fix this! MSGA!

 

I'm an independent libertarian (notice the lower case L). Trump was the lesser of two evils. Everyone hates him that has power... I hate everyone that has the power over this country and has held it in the uniparty for 40-50 years. So, yeah, hopefully checks and balances can be restored to the presidency. Maybe one day the Senate will get the head out of their ass but that isn't likely since the 17th amendment destroyed what was a fabric of our Republic. The house is a joke in every way. The state governments are still holding on by a shred of chance, but only some states and not all.

 

California, Colorado New York, Michigan, Washington, Hawaii are all too far gone one way down the aisle. Nebraska, ND, SD, Oklahoma, and several other states are still doing just what they were 100 years ago. This is a good thing because states should choose their own whole being a part of the larger Republic. But, since Lincoln that's all been screwed up, too.

 

I'd vote for Trump again because Democrats and the bull#### they pull is far more disgraceful to humanity than the Trump Administration. Honoring George Floyd all over the country today, smeaing Kavanaugh, Russia hoax, the Clinton and Obama mafia (back to back with the Bush family), is all ridiculous.

 

Anyone else would be better than another politician. 

It's hard to reconcile that with Trump.  It really is.  The guy is all over the map, but it's hard to argue that he has much in the way of libertarianism going for him.  I'll step away now. 

[BillsFanNC]

Keep in mind that we now have a friggin justice on the Supreme Court who would give a similar insane answer to this question posed by Charlie Kirk.

 

So yes the trans stuff is kind of a big issue Bullstojan.

 

 

[boyst]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

It's hard to reconcile that with Trump.  It really is.  The guy is all over the map, but it's hard to argue that he has much in the way of libertarianism going for him.  I'll step away now. 

it's hard to rationalize any direction he is going at the moment. his first term started all over the road and got course corrected over time. we shall see where it goes from here but he is strengthening the federal government in many cases and his first term appointees to the court haven't been all that strong.

 

i am hoping we get a chance to get Clarence THomas replaced under a majority of the senate.

[All_Pro_Bills]

3 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

Keep in mind that we now have a friggin justice on the Supreme Court who would give a similar insane answer to this question posed by Charlie Kirk.

 

So yes the trans stuff is kind of a big issue Bullstojan.

 

 

What exactly does the Democratic party stand for?

 

1. Love illegal immigrants and prioritize their "needs" over those of Americans.

2. Think men can be women, women can be men simply by believing it.

3. Hate white people while strangely most of them are white people.

4. Think anyone that doesn't embrace the above are racists and fascists.

5. Can't figure out why their message isn't resonating with the public.

 

[Niagara Bill]

49 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

It's hard to reconcile that with Trump.  It really is.  The guy is all over the map, but it's hard to argue that he has much in the way of libertarianism going for him.  I'll step away now. 

Not all his policies are bad,   it is his threats, his ignorant coments, his constant insults, his narcissistic actions.  Attacking Harvard vs his own rediculous school is a great example.

I detest woke, it is as dangerous as fascism. But woke does not threaten democracy.

I to will step away.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

What exactly does the Democratic party stand for?

 

1. Love illegal immigrants and prioritize their "needs" over those of Americans.

2. Think men can be women, women can be men simply by believing it.

3. Hate white people while strangely most of them are white people.

4. Think anyone that doesn't embrace the above are racists and fascists.

5. Can't figure out why their message isn't resonating with the public.

 

i don't stand for any of these nor do any progressives I know.  re 5, we know why. people are angry and resentful often due to financial distress.  Most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.  It appears we've reached our standard of living peak and are on the downslope.  It doesn't look to me that's going to change regardless of party.

[JFKjr]

10 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

i don't stand for any of these nor do any progressives I know.  re 5, we know why. people are angry and resentful often due to financial distress.  Most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.  It appears we've reached our standard of living peak and are on the downslope.  It doesn't look to me that's going to change regardless of party.

 

That's okay, keep voti8ng for it!

 

 

[4th&long]

It is what you voted for and you are going to get what you deserve. 

[SCBills]

47 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

i don't stand for any of these nor do any progressives I know.  re 5, we know why. people are angry and resentful often due to financial distress.  Most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.  It appears we've reached our standard of living peak and are on the downslope.  It doesn't look to me that's going to change regardless of party.

You may not, but that’s what the party you support stands for. 
 

They’re spending $20M to figure out how to talk to young men like they’re some creature in the wild they just discovered. 
 

The reason young men seem like the Hitler Youth to Democrats is because most of them, especially white ones, never knew an era of white privilege.. they grew up in the covid era of racial reckoning where Democrat leaders locked them down and made them feel like they’re inherently evil for something they can’t control. 
 

Democrats constantly elevate black women above all else while attacking a Daniel Penny. 
 

The party is so out of touch with men that they thought Tim Walz would appeal to us.   He is an SNL caricature of a white man.  The type typically scripted into movies and television.. bumbling, stumbling moron as opposed to a Tim Allen on Home Improvement or even Tony Soprano, albeit a very flawed character. 
 

And before you think this is a purely racial issue… Latinos have some of the highest approval ratings for Trump of any demo.   Anecdotally, my best friend, a Puerto Rican, is all in on Trump’s immigration policies and some of the strongest advocates of strong borders are Latinos who came here the right way.  
 

Dem messaging appeals to no one except black women, illegal immigrants, educated white women and the lesbian/trans communities.   And it doesn’t seem like they know how to change that. 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

10 minutes ago, SCBills said:

You may not, but that’s what the party you support stands for. 
 

They’re spending $20M to figure out how to talk to young men like they’re some creature in the wild they just discovered. 
 

The reason young men seem like the Hitler Youth to Democrats is because most of them, especially white ones, never knew an era of white privilege.. they grew up in the covid era of racial reckoning where Democrat leaders locked them down and made them feel like they’re inherently evil for something they can’t control. 
 

Democrats constantly elevate black women above all else while attacking a Daniel Penny. 
 

The party is so out of touch with men that they thought Tim Walz would appeal to us.   He is an SNL caricature of a white man.  The type typically scripted into movies and television.. bumbling, stumbling moron as opposed to a Tim Allen on Home Improvement or even Tony Soprano, albeit a very flawed character. 
 

And before you think this is a purely racial issue… Latinos have some of the highest approval ratings for Trump of any demo.   Anecdotally, my best friend, a Puerto Rican, is all in on Trump’s immigration policies and some of the strongest advocates of strong borders are Latinos who came here the right way.  
 

Dem messaging appeals to no one except black women, illegal immigrants, educated white women and the lesbian/trans communities.   And it doesn’t seem like they know how to change that. 

Did we reach white men?  Nope.  As I said many are angry and resentful for financial reasons for which there isn't an easy answer other than lying to them.  sadly, for the country, one is a growing demographic and one is shrinking.

 

Conversely, how do you think affluent, college educated voters are reacting to attacks on Harvard, NPR/PBS?  I suppose, by the numbers, it's better to appeal to the former than the latter...

Edited 4 hours ago by Joe Ferguson forever