Biden Admin had Covid vax opponents labeled “domestic violent extremists”

[stevestojan]

7 minutes ago, Wolfgang said:

 

 

 

 

Thanks for engaging in adult level political discourse. 

[The Frankish Reich]

14 minutes ago, Wolfgang said:

 

 

 

 

It wasn't. Brian Jones, dead at 27.

[Wolfgang]

23 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

It wasn't. Brian Jones, dead at 27.

 

 

 

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

8 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Here's AiI's explanation:

 

Factors Contributing to the Decrease in COVID-19 Death Rate in 2022

Vaccination and Immunity

Widespread vaccination efforts increased immunity in the population.

Vaccines became more effective at preventing severe illness and death.

Improved Treatments

Advances in treatment protocols for COVID-19 helped reduce mortality rates.

Healthcare providers gained better understanding and management of the disease.

Public Health Measures

Continued implementation of public health measures, such as mask-wearing and social distancing, contributed to lower transmission rates.

Increased awareness and adherence to preventive measures among the public.

Demographic Changes

The age-adjusted death rate showed significant declines, particularly among younger populations.

Most deaths continued to occur in older adults, but the overall impact on mortality rates was lessened due to increased protection in vulnerable groups.

Statistical Trends

COVID-19 was the underlying cause in approximately 244,000 deaths in the U.S. in 2022, a significant drop from previous years.

The age-adjusted death rate declined by 47% compared to 2021, indicating a substantial improvement in outcomes.

 

 

You are a very gullible person. 

 

"Widespread vaccination efforts increased immunity in the population." Is only for the easily mislead.

 

Since we know the vaccines did not stop the transmission of the virus- if you disagree please let me know- then the herd immunity which was achieved in early 2021 was more important then any vaccine percent. So I can attribute any reason to the huge drop but none of them will reasonably be attributed to the vaccine since it did not happen directly after the vaccine introduction, which was November of 2020, and the majority of NYers in June of 2021 but there numbers did not drop quickly. the numbers dropped because those who had two comorbidities had died and those left were unlikely to be affected. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

7 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

You are a very gullible person. 

 

"Widespread vaccination efforts increased immunity in the population." Is only for the easily mislead.

 

Since we know the vaccines did not stop the transmission of the virus- if you disagree please let me know- then the herd immunity which was achieved in early 2021 was more important then any vaccine percent. So I can attribute any reason to the huge drop but none of them will reasonably be attributed to the vaccine since it did not happen directly after the vaccine introduction, which was November of 2020, and the majority of NYers in June of 2021 but there numbers did not drop quickly. the numbers dropped because those who had two comorbidities had died and those left were unlikely to be affected. 

go take n immunology class and population health primer and get back to me...

43 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

Thanks for engaging in adult level political discourse. 

he's non white trash...

[All_Pro_Bills]

11 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

go take n immunology class and population health primer and get back to me...

Do we know in what percent of the vaccinated population the covid vaccine generated an immune response?

I define immune response as infection free where the virus is inhibited from replicating. Unless you suggest a more suitable definition.

Edited August 11 by All_Pro_Bills

[Orlando Buffalo]

4 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

go take n immunology class and population health primer and get back to me...

he's non white trash...

I understand cause and effect, the fact that you run back to a class you took 40 years ago is hilarious. I understand immunology and to compare the polio vaccine to the "COVID vaccine" is so funny to anyone with an ounce of understanding.

[Wolfgang]

10 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

go take n immunology class and population health primer and get back to me...

he's non white trash...

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Do we know in what percent of the vaccinated population the covid vaccine generated an immune response?

I define immune response as infection free where the virus is inhibited from replicating. Unless you suggest a more suitable definition.

not even close...hayfever is an immune response.  

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

I understand cause and effect, the fact that you run back to a class you took 40 years ago is hilarious. I understand immunology and to compare the polio vaccine to the "COVID vaccine" is so funny to anyone with an ounce of understanding.

Hoax.  Hoax. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

6 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

not even close...hayfever is an immune response.  

I think your being evasive. If I get a vaccine I have an expectation it will prevent me from getting the condition the vaccine is designed to immunize against. If i get a polio vaccine i win't get polio. So what percent of people getting the shot were provided immunity from the shot?

 

I'm familiar with clinical trials. I read the results of a trial for a drug called cd388. In a 3 dose trial they reported the highest dose granted immunity from the flu at 75%. That the simple answer I'm looking for regarding covid. I think using real world evidence its close to zero.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

55 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I think your being evasive. If I get a vaccine I have an expectation it will prevent me from getting the condition the vaccine is designed to immunize against. If i get a polio vaccine i win't get polio. So what percent of people getting the shot were provided immunity from the shot?

 

I'm familiar with clinical trials. I read the results of a trial for a drug called cd388. In a 3 dose trial they reported the highest dose granted immunity from the flu at 75%. That the simple answer I'm looking for regarding covid. I think using real world evidence its close to zero.

Your definition of immune response was ridiculous.  Not evading anything.  That's why a basic understanding of immunology is required to discuss vaccines.  Allergic rxns are immune mediated, rejection of transplanted tissue is immune mediated, responses to infections and vaccines are immune mediated as are a host of other conditions.

 

re the flu vax, it's changed every year because the virus changes at least every year. (as does covid).  They make a very educated guess as to what strains will be most prevalent and produce a vax aimed at those.  Given the uncertainty, 75% is damn good for the flu.  I'm confident you can ask an AI engine your specific question.  Personally, I think it more important that less people who are vaxed die than those that aren't, even now..  Interesting that the last hospital I was affiliated with has made refusing the flu vax a fireable offense (starting before covid) but they never mandated covid vax.  The decision was purely political at the expense of the community.

 

Also, you're using polio vax as the gold standard.  It changed the world and is an amazing thing.  but it's not 100% effective either.  eg the recipient is on drugs that turn off or turn down the immune system (immune modulating).  even in that instance, an immune response would likely occur as defined by some antibodies being produced.  In said pt, that may not be enough to prevent infection or viral replication..

 

immunology.  really complex.  really interesting.  easily misunderstood.  from the CDC

Immunodeficiency

IPV is the only polio vaccine recommended for people with immunodeficiency and people in their households. Immunodeficient persons may not respond fully to the vaccine, but it is safe and might provide some protection.

Edited August 11 by Joe Ferguson forever

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

I understand cause and effect, the fact that you run back to a class you took 40 years ago is hilarious. I understand immunology and to compare the polio vaccine to the "COVID vaccine" is so funny to anyone with an ounce of understanding.

if you're really a teacher, I sincerely hope you don't go anywhere near science.  I recertified for the boards 3X's beyond the initial certification exam.  Every test included difficult immunology questions.  It's a subject that is important to all specialties.  They all require a basic understanding, some much more.  perhaps that's why 99%+ docs got the covid vax.

[CoudyBills]

11 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

I imagine 4th&schlong as being an angry obese 60+ moron.

 

Should he have taken the vaccine?

 

100%

 

Finding also. Pushing 60. Pasty, pear shaped and flabby.

 

Should he have taken the vaccine?

 

Absolutely.

 

Should either of them been compelled to take it by their government, employer or any other entity?

 

Absolutely not.

 

Should anyone under around 35 without any existing health conditions have taken the vaccine?

 

In almost every case, no.

 

 

23 year old western new york ***** with blue hair 

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

On 5/23/2025 at 2:27 PM, Big Blitz said:

 

Yes, and people who decided to spread a VERY deadly disease pandemic to the rest of us should be vigorously questioned as to why we should have to take them seriously at any time in the future.  
 

Those of us who Denied bodies were piling up in morgues and on streets around the planet are assclowns at best.   That disease was deadly, you... *****...  morons.   
 

How dare you question how deadly that virus has been.  Go tell your bull#### to the families of the dead.  

[All_Pro_Bills]

7 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Your definition of immune response was ridiculous.  Not evading anything.  That's why a basic understanding of immunology is required to discuss vaccines.  Allergic rxns are immune mediated, rejection of transplanted tissue is immune mediated, responses to infections and vaccines are immune mediated as are a host of other conditions.

 

re the flu vax, it's changed every year because the virus changes at least every year. (as does covid).  They make a very educated guess as to what strains will be most prevalent and produce a vax aimed at those.  Given the uncertainty, 75% is damn good for the flu.  I'm confident you can ask an AI engine your specific question.  Personally, I think it more important that less people who are vaxed die than those that aren't, even now..  Interesting that the last hospital I was affiliated with has made refusing the flu vax a fireable offense (starting before covid) but they never mandated covid vax.  The decision was purely political at the expense of the community.

 

Also, you're using polio vax as the gold standard.  It changed the world and is an amazing thing.  but it's not 100% effective either.  eg the recipient is on drugs that turn off or turn down the immune system (immune modulating).  even in that instance, an immune response would likely occur as defined by some antibodies being produced.  In said pt, that may not be enough to prevent infection or viral replication..

 

immunology.  really complex.  really interesting.  easily misunderstood.  from the CDC

Immunodeficiency

IPV is the only polio vaccine recommended for people with immunodeficiency and people in their households. Immunodeficient persons may not respond fully to the vaccine, but it is safe and might provide some protection.

I'm not using polio as a gold standard but simply as an example of a vacine where there's a basic expectation that the shot  will keep you from getting sick. In that case contracting polio. 

The covid shots were initially marketed to the public as just that and when vaccinated people started getting sick the message changed to protection from severe illness and hospitalization while still allowing the transmission of the virus to others.

I've read the clinical trial set ups and read outs. The P3 for Pfizer for example mentions immunity. Nowhere do the primary and secondary end points mention the word "protection". By definition if it only provides protection from serious illness the trial should have been determined to be a failure. But public health officials were desperate for a solution.

You mentioned flu strains. I mentioned CD388 as an example of efficacy. It might interest you. It's being trialed and touted as a universal flu "vaccine" which does not require tuning to specific strains to be effective. The P2 read backs that up. It might also be effective against covid or other respiratory conditions but to date no trials or data on those.

[4th&long]

10 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

I understand cause and effect, the fact that you run back to a class you took 40 years ago is hilarious. I understand immunology and to compare the polio vaccine to the "COVID vaccine" is so funny to anyone with an ounce of understanding.

What a ***** moron. Thanking you for the entertainment. 

[BillsFanNC]

In the simplest terms an immune response occurs when your body recognizes something as non self. Distinguishing self from non self antigens is a hallmark of immunity. Autoimmune disorders occur when your immune system generates an immune response against "self" antigens.

 

So Quack is right about this.

 

A vaccine delivers a fragment or attenuated version of the pathogen to illicit an immune response without causing illness. This primes the immune system with memory cells and antibodies to respond to future challenges from the pathogen.

 

That's it. There's nothing in the definition that says a vaccine absolutely prevents future infection. This is because no vaccine exists that is 100% effective. Not measles. Not polio. Not flu. Not covid.

 

This is especially true of vaccines for rapidly mutating respiratory viruses such as covid. So if you're a 70 year old obese diabetic with heart disease you take the vaccine even knowing it probably won't prevent infection, but it almost certainly will reduce the severity of your symptoms if you do get infected. When you're old with chronic disease this can be the difference between living and dying.

 

Even in a healthy 70 year old an immune response to a vaccine isn't going to be as robust as with a healthy 20 year old. Just as with everything else when we age our immune systems aren't what they once were when we were younger.

 

So when you're under 25 and healthy as a horse getting the covid vaccine might make the difference between feeling crappy for a little shorter time.

 

 

[SectionC3]

18 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

In the simplest terms an immune response occurs when your body recognizes something as non self. Distinguishing self from non self antigens is a hallmark of immunity. Autoimmune disorders occur when your immune system generates an immune response against "self" antigens.

 

So Quack is right about this.

 

A vaccine delivers a fragment or attenuated version of the pathogen to illicit an immune response without causing illness. This primes the immune system with memory cells and antibodies to respond to future challenges from the pathogen.

 

That's it. There's nothing in the definition that says a vaccine absolutely prevents future infection. This is because no vaccine exists that is 100% effective. Not measles. Not polio. Not flu. Not covid.

 

This is especially true of vaccines for rapidly mutating respiratory viruses such as covid. So if you're a 70 year old obese diabetic with heart disease you take the vaccine even knowing it probably won't prevent infection, but it almost certainly will reduce the severity of your symptoms if you do get infected. When you're old with chronic disease this can be the difference between living and dying.

 

Even in a healthy 70 year old an immune response to a vaccine isn't going to be as robust as with a healthy 20 year old. Just as with everything else when we age our immune systems aren't what they once were when we were younger.

 

So when you're under 25 and healthy as a horse getting the covid vaccine might make the difference between feeling crappy for a little shorter time.

 

 

That’s the key.  In this generation that’s a relatively short supply.  Lots of obesity. 

[BillsFanNC]

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