Gabe Davis released

[PrimeTime101]

[Mat68]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Other teams may offer Gabe more than vet minimum.  He can decide where to go.  He may want a team that can offer a higher snap count.

I'm sure anywhere he signs will have incentives included.

He is getting 11 mil from Jacksonville.  Either someone pays him more than 11 or he makes 11.  Offset language means what ever he signs for goes towards that 11 owed from Jacksonville. What ever you sign him for counts towards your cap.  If he doesn't get more than 11 there is no incentive for a team to offer more than the min. Davis gets paid the same either way, you are just helping Jax and hurting your cap by offering more.   

[RoscoeParrish]

13 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Gabe Davis was a failure as a WR2 in Buffalo and a disaster as WR2 in Jacksonville.

 

Bad hands, a route tree that got figured out quickly once they handed him the job, a propensity for mental errors that resulted in a ton of interceptions and critical incompletions in key moments after he became the starter.   Wrong way Gabe.

 

On top of that Gabe Davis finished his career in Buffalo injured and left Jacksonville injured.   You act like he's healthy in his prime and hasn't put two straight years of sh!t on tape.  

 

If it's hard for you to understand you haven't thought it thru.

 

What they need are WR1 and WR2 types.    

 

They failed to get that done but in lieu of that the logical thing to do was to draft someone on day 2 or early day 3 to develop on a 4 year rookie contract so they don't have to keep overspending for Curtis Samuel and Josh Palmer types in perpetuity.

There is a chicken-egg scenario of “Tre White is now CB5 after being CB1 three years ago.” Does that mean the CB position is just loads better or that Tre White is not the same Tre White.

[Warriorspikes51]

Shakir

Palmer
Moore
Davis
Samuel

Coleman

Keep 6 and have them all active on gameday. Rotate a bit.  Davis is a very strong blocker.  Competition in camp to earn a spot would be fun 

[Warriorspikes51]

IMO, this will be determined by how much Josh would like him back 

If I recall, Gabe did not want to leave and the Bills did not want him to either....but the $$$ was too far apart

[Mikie2times]

 

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Gabe Davis was our WR2 and now many of you want to bring him back as our WR5 (which I am fine with if they do).  And yet somehow to many of those same people have been yelling non stop that we haven't improved the WR room the past 2 years even though our former WR2 would be a WR5 here now? 

 

Um...ok.  lol

 

From my view it would be difficult to say for sure that he wouldn't still be in the conversation to be our #2.

 

Between Palmer, Samuel, and Coleman, none have done anything from a production stand point thus far to suggest they're significant upgrades over Gabe. Now do I actually think one or all of them could be better? Probably. Also possible they're very similar, but it's all nuance to arrive at those conclusions. 

 

Gabe had almost 1600 yards and 14 TD's in two seasons here. Is Palmer going to get 800 and 7 this year? If so, that's a really good year. Same with Coleman. Same with Samuel. We spread it out more now, those guys played for different teams, different QB's. Again, you have to get in the nuance to say he's a #4 or #5 now. I don't think he is because he's similar and likely better than Hollins and Hollins played a lot last year. Along with our leadership seemingly really appreciating him more than our fan base ever did. 

 

Either way, it's a debatable topic from my view, just as far as what he would be with todays WR group. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Mikie2times

[Warriorspikes51]

Gabe & Josh obviously weren't a perfect connection.....

but most of Allen's huge downfield plays were to Gabe Davis

Steelers game & KC game immediately come to mind

 

Gabe is still only 26

 

While the success % is not very good..... he consistently produced TD's and is a legit vertical option 

 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

His total payout was not 39 million--it was basically his guarantee 24.7.  But yes, by all means lets look to the JAGS as the standard fro FA signings (or any FO competence at all), lol.  Tebow! Bortles! Foles!

 

Bills carried 30 million to get rid of Diggs.  

 

 

Well, we’re about to find out what the rest of the league feels about him

[nuklz2594]

5 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

How does that apply? What are we miss communicating on? The guy went to get more money and it didn’t work out. Nobody ever works out for them. The jaguars destroy careers. If I was Hunter I’d be very concerned. He will be a bust because of the team he went to. Gabe can fit into a role we really missed out on here. The downfield passing attack. He was a very good bill and a great locker room guy. Absolutely bring him back 

count the times he ran the wrong routes during his tenure. he blamed it on miscommunication while a bill

[Mat68]

1 minute ago, nuklz2594 said:

count the times he ran the wrong routes during his tenure. he blamed it on miscommunication while a bill

You can say the same thing about Shakir.  He couldn’t crack the lineup because of this issue.  Davis is who he is at this point.  Come Feb I would have more faith in him than the majority of the current wr corp.   

[The Jokeman]

Gabe was well liked by team as evident him being in town for Micah Hydes charity game. That said with us limited on cap money and targets I can see him going elsewhere. Cleveland needs serious help at WR and am sure plenty of cap room. The Giants make sense for a Daboll reunion if looking for a quick one year deal.

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Mat68 said:

Im looking from the Bills perspective.  Unless Allen says no (miscommunication issues) I think it’s an easy answer.  Gabe may have better options but rooting against it is bizarre to me.  The lowlights for Palmer, Moore, Samuel, Coleman, Shakir are not great either.  

 

Be realistic about what is more likely to happen in terms of where he signs is not at all "rooting against it".  To interpret it that way is bizarre to me.  I mean I have said in every single post I am good with him coming back.  

 

2 hours ago, Mat68 said:

Not sure any of them have better highlights than Davis. The whole flip on him is very odd.  

 

Any of who?  If you are talking about our WR room...I suggest you go watch Shakir highlights, I coincidentally did last night while putting my kids to sleep as it popped up in my youtube feed.  Its sensational.  And no one thinks poorly about Davis highlights...every player in NFL has a highlight real who plays any relevant minutes...but people have been concerned about his low lights.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[JP51]

7 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

His $11m guaranteed this year from Jacksonville has offsets so we could pay him the vet minimum ($1.17m) and Jacksonville has to foot the rest of the bill.  There's no incentive for Gabe to sign above the vet minimum.  The question now just becomes if both sides are interested in a reunion.

I did not realize this is how it worked so I appreciate this...  and I feel like this is gonna show us just how much Josh liked Gabe...  because I think the conversation went one of these 3 ways... Josh... this is Brandon... Gabe just became available... what are your thoughts...   or.... Brandon... this is Josh... Gabe just became available... I want him back.... OR Brandon this is Josh... I heard.. just dont....  

[Doc Brown]

9 minutes ago, JP51 said:

I did not realize this is how it worked so I appreciate this...  and I feel like this is gonna show us just how much Josh liked Gabe...  because I think the conversation went one of these 3 ways... Josh... this is Brandon... Gabe just became available... what are your thoughts...   or.... Brandon... this is Josh... Gabe just became available... I want him back.... OR Brandon this is Josh... I heard.. just dont....  

Not necessarily as Gabe will do what's best for his career.  He could be promised a bigger role than us by another team and take it hoping to parlay that season into a future contract.

[Alphadawg7]

48 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

 

From my view it would be difficult to say for sure that he wouldn't still be in the conversation to be our #2.

 

Between Palmer, Samuel, and Coleman, none have done anything from a production stand point thus far to suggest they're significant upgrades over Gabe. Now do I actually think one or all of them could be better? Probably. Also possible they're very similar, but it's all nuance to arrive at those conclusions. 

 

Gabe had almost 1600 yards and 14 TD's in two seasons here. Is Palmer going to get 800 and 7 this year? If so, that's a really good year. Same with Coleman. Same with Samuel. We spread it out more now, those guys played for different teams, different QB's. Again, you have to get in the nuance to say he's a #4 or #5 now. I don't think he is because he's similar and likely better than Hollins and Hollins played a lot last year. Along with our leadership seemingly really appreciating him more than our fan base ever did. 

 

Either way, it's a debatable topic from my view, just as far as what he would be with todays WR group. 

 

Nothing is impossible right, and everything is a fair debate, so no qualm with the debate at all.  These are just my opinions on the matter.  But here is why I don't think he has any realistic shot of moving up the depth chart without injuries helping if he did end up back here.  And again, love him as a backup and depth, no qualms with him coming back.  

 

Through week 11 last year, Coleman was on pace as a rookie (while splitting time and not a full time starter in a spread the ball around offense which Gabe never really played in) for:  800-900 yards and 7+ TD's.  Thats nearly as good as Gabes best season when Gabe is full time in a higher volume passing offense...additionally, Keon also averaged over 19 yards per catch too. 

 

Admittedly, he failed to find his groove and place in the offense after returning from injury, which had a lot to do with being a rookie, trying to be a team player without understanding how to also make his mark, etc.  The more reasonable expectation is that the pre-injury is the real Keon and that with a year under his belt, we should see some step up from that guy this year in his 2nd year and in a more full time role.  Keon also has a better down field receiving target opposite of him in Palmer (over Mack who was a dirty work player first and foremost than a frequented target) to also help open up more space for Keon as well as guys like Kincaid and Shakir.  

 

Palmer was signed for $12M to be the starter, I have a hard time seeing them go away from him before he takes one snap on his 3 year deal, especially with how high they are on him.  And a strong case can be made that Palmer has better hands, a more robust route tree, is a better route runner, and better at beating coverage than Davis is.  Also, Bills didn't want to pay Davis $13M for 3 years who they drafted and developed in a season they were already losing Diggs...but they had no problem paying Palmer $12M for 3 years which says a lot about who they are going to think is the better fit to start.  

 

Shakir is locked and loaded, no one touching him in any of these competitions.  

 

So I don't think its realistic to think Davis would compete for WR2 here...maybe they say its an open competition...but realistically, they are giving Keon and Palmer the first crack to be the starters ahead of him IMHO.

[JP51]

12 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Not necessarily as Gabe will do what's best for his career.  He could be promised a bigger role than us by another team and take it hoping to parlay that season into a future contract.

Oh... on Gabes end absolutely.. I was commenting under the assumption he wanted back in... but absolutely no disagreement from me it takes 2 to make a deal..  but that is what I envisioned the OBD discussion to be...   so yes.. if he doesnt come back it certainly isnt a 100% lock that is was Allen that didnt want him... fair enough.

Edited 3 hours ago by JP51

[RoscoeParrish]

15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Nothing is impossible right, and everything is a fair debate, so no qualm with the debate at all.  These are just my opinions on the matter.  But here is why I don't think he has any realistic shot of moving up the depth chart without injuries helping if he did end up back here.  And again, love him as a backup and depth, no qualms with him coming back.  

 

Through week 11 last year, Coleman was on pace as a rookie (while splitting time and not a full time starter in a spread the ball around offense which Gabe never really played in) for:  800-900 yards and 7+ TD's.  Thats nearly as good as Gabes best season when Gabe is full time in a higher volume passing offense...additionally, Keon also averaged over 19 yards per catch too. 

 

Admittedly, he failed to find his groove and place in the offense after returning from injury, which had a lot to do with being a rookie, trying to be a team player without understanding how to also make his mark, etc.  The more reasonable expectation is that the pre-injury is the real Keon and that with a year under his belt, we should see some step up from that guy this year in his 2nd year and in a more full time role.  Keon also has a better down field receiving target opposite of him in Palmer (over Mack who was a dirty work player first and foremost than a frequented target) to also help open up more space for Keon as well as guys like Kincaid and Shakir.  

 

Palmer was signed for $12M to be the starter, I have a hard time seeing them go away from him before he takes one snap on his 3 year deal, especially with how high they are on him.  And a strong case can be made that Palmer has better hands, a more robust route tree, is a better route runner, and better at beating coverage than Davis is.  Also, Bills didn't want to pay Davis $13M for 3 years who they drafted and developed in a season they were already losing Diggs...but they had no problem paying Palmer $12M for 3 years which says a lot about who they are going to think is the better fit to start.  

 

Shakir is locked and loaded, no one touching him in any of these competitions.  

 

So I don't think its realistic to think Davis would compete for WR2 here...maybe they say its an open competition...but realistically, they are giving Keon and Palmer the first crack to be the starters ahead of him IMHO.

It all depends on their usage.

 

I don’t think anyone foresaw Mack seeing the most snaps at WR last preseason. 
 

Could the Bills have a 4WR package with Davis/Palmer split wide and Coleman/Shakir inside? They could, but that won’t be anywhere close to their base package.

Ditto for their 11 personnel, but Coleman in the slot over Shakir.

 

There are ways to get creative with it, but my personal thoughts are that despite signing Palmer and having Coleman, I could see a world where Gabe is signed and plays 40-50% of the snaps on the boundary, even if he doesn’t get 40-50% of the targets. 
 

Over the course of the season, I imagine the top 3 WR’s in targets will be Shakir, Coleman and Palmer, but it also wouldn’t surprise me to see Gabe have games with more targets than Palmer, either.

Edited 3 hours ago by RoscoeParrish

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, RoscoeParrish said:

It all depends on their usage.

 

I don’t think anyone foresaw Mack seeing the most snaps at WR last preseason. 
 

Could the Bills have a 4WR package with Davis/Palmer split wide and Coleman/Shakir inside? They could, but that won’t be anywhere close to their base package.

Ditto for their 11 personnel, but Coleman in the slot over Shakir.

 

There are ways to get creative with it, but my personal thoughts are that despite signing Palmer and having Coleman, I could see a world where Gabe is signed and plays 50% of the snaps on the boundary, even if he doesn’t get 50% of the targets. 
 

Over the course of the season, I imagine the top 3 WR’s in targets will be Shakir, Coleman and Palmer, but it also wouldn’t surprise me to see Gabe have games with more targets than Palmer, either.

Moore has the potential to earn WR3 in camp IMO.  & we need the speed. 

[RoscoeParrish]

5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Moore has the potential to earn WR3 in camp IMO.  & we need the speed. 

He lines up 60% in the slot. I’m not sure his path there.

[SCBills]

I’d love him back as a WR3/4 type but I don’t think it’s likely.

 

1) It likely signals were carrying six WR’s and I think the Bills would rather carry five.

 

2) He’s be in direct competition with Keon Coleman.  Beane’s comments on Palmer seem to clearly indicate that they are high on him and view him as a primary boundary receiver.  And I think the Bills are heavily invested in doing everything possible to makes sure Coleman works out. 
 

3) Moore provides a trait we need in the currently constructed WR room.  Davis does not.

 

4) Samuel’s contract is tough and he did look good when healthy down the stretch.  I doubt they pull the plug on him this year.

 

5) Plenty of easier roads to WR3 elsewhere in the league.  Unless the bottom just falls out on his market and nobody views him as a legitimate WR outside of random explosion games with the MVP of the league as his QB.