Canada's Liberal Party led by Prime Minister Mark Carney defeats Donald Trump

[K D]

7 minutes ago, LDD said:

 

Fair share for what, their protection?  That's what the big kid on the block is supposed to do, right?  We were the heavyweight but that won't last long if we don't have any influence.  Unless, we just want to go around throwing punches but MAGA seems opposed to that too.  I'm not sure what the end game is here.  I'm not cool with abdicating our leadership/protection role and replacing it with what?  Nothing??  What are we going to get out of this deal with Canada besides pissed off Canadians? 

They are going to pay us for protection whether that's certain investments in military or tariffs. Not fair that they spend almost nothing on defense assuming that we will take care of it for them. But the big thing is the end of NAFTA. We are going to take those jobs back and they will buy more from us. We need to make stuff here. If (when) there is a world war, we can't rely on other countries to make our stuff

[B-Man]

 

 

No need to point out something beyond the "angry' narrative

 

 

 

[LDD]

1 minute ago, K D said:

They are going to pay us for protection whether that's certain investments in military or tariffs. Not fair that they spend almost nothing on defense assuming that we will take care of it for them. But the big thing is the end of NAFTA. We are going to take those jobs back and they will buy more from us. We need to make stuff here. If (when) there is a world war, we can't rely on other countries to make our stuff

 

Fairness?  Ok...well if a country has a large military it's for a reason and it gets used.  We have that and we use it.  I think "fairness" is a weak argument by Donald.  The second part of your statement I agree with, BUT, the American population has to agree to that, which means paying WAAAAYY more for goods.  Personally, I'm not opposed to that.  I go out of my way to purchase goods, food and services that are centered in about a 200 mile radius of where I live.  I will not shop at Walmart or the other big boxes but of course I cannot get everything because our economy has welcomed cheap crap.  I'm not opposed to the idea, I think Trump is going about it in an idiotic manner. His forcefeeding of this economic change is going over like a lead balloon.  There are ways to do it that don't bankrupt people. 

[K D]

8 minutes ago, LDD said:

 

Fairness?  Ok...well if a country has a large military it's for a reason and it gets used.  We have that and we use it.  I think "fairness" is a weak argument by Donald.  The second part of your statement I agree with, BUT, the American population has to agree to that, which means paying WAAAAYY more for goods.  Personally, I'm not opposed to that.  I go out of my way to purchase goods, food and services that are centered in about a 200 mile radius of where I live.  I will not shop at Walmart or the other big boxes but of course I cannot get everything because our economy has welcomed cheap crap.  I'm not opposed to the idea, I think Trump is going about it in an idiotic manner. His forcefeeding of this economic change is going over like a lead balloon.  There are ways to do it that don't bankrupt people. 

Dems are always saying they want fair livable wages but now they don't want to pay for it. Don't make no sense. It's like they don't think these things through they just put it out there not caring what the end result is.

 

I go out of my way to buy American whenever possible. We need to make more stuff here and no it won't be cheap but maybe that means we have less crap. I have entire rooms at my house filled with useless crap from China that I used once and it broke or I have no use for it. People used to buy things for life with only the best materials and craftsmanship. It's going to be a drastic change for sure but the impact will be more jobs and less junk in the landfills

[joshypoo]

 

9 minutes ago, K D said:

Dems are always saying they want fair livable wages but now they don't want to pay for it. Don't make no sense. It's like they don't think these things through they just put it out there not caring what the end result is.

 

I go out of my way to buy American whenever possible. We need to make more stuff here and no it won't be cheap but maybe that means we have less crap. I have entire rooms at my house filled with useless crap from China that I used once and it broke or I have no use for it. People used to buy things for life with only the best materials and craftsmanship. It's going to be a drastic change for sure but the impact will be more jobs and less junk in the landfills

you have entire rooms filled with broken junk?
 

girl, log off and pick up a broom, your place sounds gross.

Edited yesterday at 07:29 PM by joshypoo

[K D]

3 minutes ago, joshypoo said:

 

you have entire rooms filled with broken junk?
 

girl, log off and pick up a broom, your place sounds gross.

It's a pretty big house but yes I have too much crap lol

[joshypoo]

Just now, K D said:

It's a pretty big house but yes I have too much crap lol

gross

[All_Pro_Bills]

15 minutes ago, K D said:

Dems are always saying they want fair livable wages but now they don't want to pay for it. Don't make no sense. It's like they don't think these things through they just put it out there not caring what the end result is.

 

I go out of my way to buy American whenever possible. We need to make more stuff here and no it won't be cheap but maybe that means we have less crap. I have entire rooms at my house filled with useless crap from China that I used once and it broke or I have no use for it. People used to buy things for life with only the best materials and craftsmanship. It's going to be a drastic change for sure but the impact will be more jobs and less junk in the landfills

A lot of this is American companies that moved production out of the US and established manufacturing and assembly operations in Mexico and Canada, and outsourced production to other nations such as China. I can't believe the cost of labor and manufacturing is significantly cheaper in Canada. 

Yet Trump makes an exception for imported auto parts for Ford and GM. When he should be applying pressure on them and other fortune 500 companies and not national governments. 

My employer has moved thousands of IT jobs to India while also importing thousands more foriegn workers under the claim they cannot find domestic workers with the necessary skills. That's bull. Also moving business operations to Ireland for low corporate tax treatment. Moving call centers to Asia and the Carribean.

The culprit isn't Canada or Mexico. It's American corporate executives, hedge fund shareholders, and big wall street money.

 

Edited yesterday at 07:35 PM by All_Pro_Bills

[BillsFanNC]

 

[K D]

11 minutes ago, joshypoo said:

gross

Yes it's a gross million dollar 4000 sq ft house on 4 acres yuck 🤮 

[Niagara Bill]

2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I don't do any of that, Bill, but I'm not an American (or Canadian) politician.   I did fib about writing down Roundy's name on an old envelope, it was actually on the back of an old napkin with a water ring on it.

 

Call your new boy up and tell him to stand down on the rhetoric about taking on "the Americans".  That sounds quite ominous indeed. 

 

As for Amazon, they were evil before because, you know, billionaires and fair share. You gotta keep up, even with the language barrier between yours and mine. 

I reject the premise that he is trying to 'destroy the US and the world's economy'.  

 

That is all. 

What deal could he want with Canada, we have free trade, we have the same deal both ways, even on dairy. If he thinks that his GM, Ford are going to give up 12% of sales to move a couple of plants back to satisfy the UAW, he us mistaken. Long before Nafta the autopack was an agreement Canada had with the automakers. Build it or don't sell. Their choice. 

What he wants is access to oil, water, aluminum and the north sea passage.

The US has never been denied access to the north route  he just wants to be tough guy.

You suggest Carney should be careful about his rhetoric, then trump should stop lying. Some in the world may bow to the new King, but not Canada.

If he doesn't like our healthcare, tough poop. Freedom is freedom, not his version. Canada believes healthcare is a right. You believe carrying a gun into a restaurant is your right. 

Canada is about to go thru a troubled time, US pressure, finances, some Provinces considering leaving, all because of trump. Not logic, not need, just pure bs power. 

The sin is a historic relationship, best in the history of the modern world, has been destroyed by 1 man and his hoods.

Picture, a town in Quebec and town in Vermont, doing what is financially right according to Doge principles, sharing a library and Kristi Neomi doing her little dance and laughing at both towns. They share firetrucks, garbage trucks, snowploughs, kids sports. Other towns also do the same. She acts more like a out of control Muslims in the square in Tehran than a representative of the beacon of freedom.

 Why would anyone respond in a positive manner to that bs.

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said:

What deal could he want with Canada, we have free trade, we have the same deal both ways, even on dairy. If he thinks that his GM, Ford are going to give up 12% of sales to move a couple of plants back to satisfy the UAW, he us mistaken. Long before Nafta the autopack was an agreement Canada had with the automakers. Build it or don't sell. Their choice. 

What he wants is access to oil, water, aluminum and the north sea passage.

The US has never been denied access to the north route  he just wants to be tough guy.

You suggest Carney should be careful about his rhetoric, then trump should stop lying. Some in the world may bow to the new King, but not Canada.

If he doesn't like our healthcare, tough poop. Freedom is freedom, not his version. Canada believes healthcare is a right. You believe carrying a gun into a restaurant is your right. 

Canada is about to go thru a troubled time, US pressure, finances, some Provinces considering leaving, all because of trump. Not logic, not need, just pure bs power. 

The sin is a historic relationship, best in the history of the modern world, has been destroyed by 1 man and his hoods.

Picture, a town in Quebec and town in Vermont, doing what is financially right according to Doge principles, sharing a library and Kristi Neomi doing her little dance and laughing at both towns. They share firetrucks, garbage trucks, snowploughs, kids sports. Other towns also do the same. She acts more like a out of control Muslims in the square in Tehran than a representative of the beacon of freedom.

 Why would anyone respond in a positive manner to that bs.

 

With respect to Carney, he sounds like the pudgy little brother of the tough guy down the street, everyone calls him Stinky.  He doesn't like being called Stinky, he wants to play with the big kids, he wants respect...but he's got to earn that.  That is completely independent of whatever Trump says or does.  He didn't suggest he was taking on Trump, he suggested he was taking on all Americans.  

 

To a certain extent, you present as if you have a little bit of an inferiority complex.  What does Trump's rhetoric have to do with "provinces leaving"?  With 'bowing'?  If Canadians feel they are being treated unfairly, seek other means of redress.  Hold the line.  Find other trade partners.  You've taken the important first step and elected a guy to lead you forward.  

 

All of this truly comes from the heart, without malice.  I have great fondness for Canada and Canadians generally.  You want things the way they were.  The current admin feels it needs to change.   If they can get together and work it out--which seems the most sensible thing to do, we all move on.  

[Roundybout]

5 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I think pollution is addressed through sensible regulation based on current scientific theory, analyzed periodically for relevance as technology changes. 

 

Then again, I don't believe what you do.  If I did, I'd look at the world and begin to eliminate any non-essential industry and the pollution resulting from same.  If I believed as you did, I'd be looking at, say, the NFL, the massive carbon foot print produced by it and the egregious harm to the environment.  While exceedingly popular,  the number of people impacted that do not follow or derive benefit from it dwarves those who do on a global basis.  Charging a few extra buckets per ticket, or assessing tax on the league doesn't change that which we know to be true---it's a huge drain on the environment. 

 

This is why your name went on my list.   The good news for you, or course, is that I have already misplaced the paperwork and it's as if the list never existed. 

That makes zero sense.  As hard-working immigrants looking for a better way of life, why couldn't they just cross into Canada via the nearest border crossing, set up shop in a local motel covered by the Canadian government, and just make it happen?  You know, just show up?

 

I wouldn't do that, I'd look for market-based solutions to regulating and diminishing pollution. Like the carbon tax. 

[njbuff]

5 hours ago, Roundybout said:

Pollution happens as a negative externality of any production. How do you stop it? 

Are you crying to the Middle East and Asia about pollution?

 

If not, you and your dummmmazzz climate changes hoaxsters need to shut the f up about climate already.

[Roundybout]

33 minutes ago, njbuff said:

Are you crying to the Middle East and Asia about pollution?

 

If not, you and your dummmmazzz climate changes hoaxsters need to shut the f up about climate already.

 

I wouldn't say "crying" but China is doing laps around us on nuclear. 

[Niagara Bill]

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

With respect to Carney, he sounds like the pudgy little brother of the tough guy down the street, everyone calls him Stinky.  He doesn't like being called Stinky, he wants to play with the big kids, he wants respect...but he's got to earn that.  That is completely independent of whatever Trump says or does.  He didn't suggest he was taking on Trump, he suggested he was taking on all Americans.  

 

To a certain extent, you present as if you have a little bit of an inferiority complex.  What does Trump's rhetoric have to do with "provinces leaving"?  With 'bowing'?  If Canadians feel they are being treated unfairly, seek other means of redress.  Hold the line.  Find other trade partners.  You've taken the important first step and elected a guy to lead you forward.  

 

All of this truly comes from the heart, without malice.  I have great fondness for Canada and Canadians generally.  You want things the way they were.  The current admin feels it needs to change.   If they can get together and work it out--which seems the most sensible thing to do, we all move on.  

And I say this without malice. The current administration is succeeding to have the isolation they desire. There is nothing the once trustworthy USA couldn't gave without the threats to once friends. If Carney sounds like Stinky, which maybe he does, his knowledge and contacts from the  central banks in 2 countries gives him powers that Trump is afraid of..bonds.

We will hold the line, we will and are stopping purchases from the US as I said. We do not have a buy Canadian effort, it is buy anything except US.

I also have great fondness of my US friends, Bills, Yankees, tailgate buddies, 37 yrs of working for a US company, in Canada, US and Europe and all my friends I have made thru work, plus I have special appreciation for Linda from Youngstown NY , Debbie from West Seneca, Donna from Niagara Falls (special mention to her husband which was unknown to me) Teri from Brentwood Tenn, and Sue from Richmond Indiana. Awe, great memories. Too bad trump destroys such relationships 

 

[Big Blitz]

5 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

So Bezos backed down? Yeah, I guess you could say that.

But it was more like a shot across the bow. Play the tariff game, we'll play too ...

Is it a "hostile political action" when Amazon doesn't display state sales tax inclusive prices, but rather adds one a separate amount before it processes my credit card charge?

Republicans used to support full disclosure of taxes based on the notion that if you really knew what you're paying in taxes you'd support candidates who want to reduce them. Those people used to be called "Republicans."

 

Stay tuned.  
 

I'm sure every single D, the ones that opposed the Laken Riley Act and prevent men from competing in women’s sports, will not vote to cut taxes.  
 

But you die on that all tariffs are bad hill.  

[JDHillFan]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

 

I wouldn't say "crying" but China is doing laps around us on nuclear. 

Why is that? Historically, who are the people in America that ensured China would be doing laps around us on nuclear?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

And I say this without malice. The current administration is succeeding to have the isolation they desire. There is nothing the once trustworthy USA couldn't gave without the threats to once friends. If Carney sounds like Stinky, which maybe he does, his knowledge and contacts from the  central banks in 2 countries gives him powers that Trump is afraid of..bonds.

We will hold the line, we will and are stopping purchases from the US as I said. We do not have a buy Canadian effort, it is buy anything except US.

I also have great fondness of my US friends, Bills, Yankees, tailgate buddies, 37 yrs of working for a US company, in Canada, US and Europe and all my friends I have made thru work, plus I have special appreciation for Linda from Youngstown NY , Debbie from West Seneca, Donna from Niagara Falls (special mention to her husband which was unknown to me) Teri from Brentwood Tenn, and Sue from Richmond Indiana. Awe, great memories. Too bad trump destroys such relationships 

 

You suggested  “…provinces leaving…” as it relates to Trump.  What did you mean by that?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

And I say this without malice. The current administration is succeeding to have the isolation they desire. There is nothing the once trustworthy USA couldn't gave without the threats to once friends. If Carney sounds like Stinky, which maybe he does, his knowledge and contacts from the  central banks in 2 countries gives him powers that Trump is afraid of..bonds.

We will hold the line, we will and are stopping purchases from the US as I said. We do not have a buy Canadian effort, it is buy anything except US.

I also have great fondness of my US friends, Bills, Yankees, tailgate buddies, 37 yrs of working for a US company, in Canada, US and Europe and all my friends I have made thru work, plus I have special appreciation for Linda from Youngstown NY , Debbie from West Seneca, Donna from Niagara Falls (special mention to her husband which was unknown to me) Teri from Brentwood Tenn, and Sue from Richmond Indiana. Awe, great memories. Too bad trump destroys such relationships 

 

man, half of us (and growing) can't stand trump.  If these are good folks, they can't either..  No reason to lose friends.

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

But you die on that all tariffs are bad hill.  

all tariffs are bad.  read some history.

Edited 22 hours ago by Joe Ferguson forever