James Cook absent from OTA's

[EasternOHBillsFan]

1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said:

me too.  How quickly fans turn on players is really fascinating to me.  

 

Also this nonsense about easily replaceable being used on cook all the time is just as fascinating to me.

 

This team needs cook and the other two backs to win.  I know this place and most of the internet is obsessed with WR's but I mean its right in front of everyones face what the running game is here and most still can not see it.

 

Cook wants money that just isn't slotted for his position in this offense, plain and simple. Ray Davis and Ty Johnson are good for our running game and Cook has no options here... holding out is not going to get him anywhere so he has to play. We don't need Cook to win, but Cook needs us in order to get paid what he thinks he is worth.

[muppy]

greetings. 

 

This situation with James Cook is all drama Drama DRAMA

 

I don't like it.  The fan base is tired of the games being played here.

 

am I right?

 

freakin make up your mind. Either side. I'm Over it.

 

m

[MikePJ76]

2 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

Cook wants money that just isn't slotted for his position in this offense, plain and simple. Ray Davis and Ty Johnson are good for our running game and Cook has no options here... holding out is not going to get him anywhere so he has to play. We don't need Cook to win, but Cook needs us in order to get paid what he thinks he is worth.

The bills do need cook to win.  

 

He won't get the 15 million he asked for but why does he get so much hate and ignorance for asking for it.  He is worth a lot.  He is a fantastic weapon.

 

He accounted for 19 touchdowns last year and helped set up a bunch more he didn't get to touch the ball on and punch it in.  

 

Cook rushed for 272 yards in the playoffs, 15 runs were for first downs and he scored 3 td's one which was in incredible play vs KC.  Important to note they played three of the best defenses in the league in the playoffs in Denver, Baltimore and KC. 

 

People acting like he is some bum who can be replaced by anybody in the 6th round will be the first ones to complain when he is gone the big plays from the running game go bye bye.

 

 

[muppy]

4 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

 

 

People acting like he is some bum who can be replaced by anybody in the 6th round will be the first ones to complain when he is gone the big plays from the running game go bye bye.

 

 

this quote comes immediately after my post and I think you mean me. I'll elaborate on my postn you eyerolled

 

 contractual drama and a player holding out is NOT my cup of tea

 

Did I say he wasn't a great player? Nope.

 

I don't like drama. are we clearer now? I hope so thanks

Edited 4 hours ago by muppy

[DrDawkinstein]

9 minutes ago, muppy said:

greetings. 

 

This situation with James Cook is all drama Drama DRAMA

 

I don't like it.  The fan base is tired of the games being played here.

 

am I right?

 

freakin make up your mind. Either side. I'm Over it.

 

m

 

The fan base is the creator of all the drama. If the fan base is tired of drama, it should stop manufacturing drama.

[muppy]

18 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The fan base is the creator of all the drama. If the fan base is tired of drama, it should stop manufacturing drama.

right. and we are INVESTED. I get it. I just don't like it

 

of course I want him back. who wouldn't. Get it Done.

 

 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by muppy

[Gregg]

Cook not being at OTA's isn't a big deal. I will start to get concerned if he is a no show at TC.

[eball]

7 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

The bills do need cook to win.  

 

He won't get the 15 million he asked for but why does he get so much hate and ignorance for asking for it.  He is worth a lot.  He is a fantastic weapon.

 

He accounted for 19 touchdowns last year and helped set up a bunch more he didn't get to touch the ball on and punch it in.  

 

Cook rushed for 272 yards in the playoffs, 15 runs were for first downs and he scored 3 td's one which was in incredible play vs KC.  Important to note they played three of the best defenses in the league in the playoffs in Denver, Baltimore and KC. 

 

People acting like he is some bum who can be replaced by anybody in the 6th round will be the first ones to complain when he is gone the big plays from the running game go bye bye.

 

 

I love what Ty Johnson and Ray Davis bring to the RB room, but Cook is the Thurman for this offense.  Anyone who doesn’t see it just isn’t paying attention (in my opinion).

 

Now, I’m NOT saying that Cook is a HOFer…but he is an electric player who defenses have to account for, and he opens things up.

 

Like Beane, I’m expecting Jimbo to be ready and play his arse off this year in the hopes he can ink a big deal.

 

[Mister Defense]

8 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

Cook wants money that just isn't slotted for his position in this offense, plain and simple. Ray Davis and Ty Johnson are good for our running game and Cook has no options here... holding out is not going to get him anywhere so he has to play. We don't need Cook to win, but Cook needs us in order to get paid what he thinks he is worth.

 

Like so many of the let Cook walk posts, just babble,, things made up out of thin air, with zero support, zero concrete, to back it up.

 

Such a revealing tell of bad ideas, and lazy thinking, when looking at anything in life.

 

Like I said before, it is sounding just like the crap from those shouting, 'Let Lynch walk', he's not special, not that good, we have Jackson and Spiller, we don't need him...  For what I said at the time was the worst move I had ever seen the Bills make, and a take that clearly was supported with facts after that.

 

The kind of thinking that was a vital element in the many years of consistent losing, desperation, and an almost two decade playoff drought for the Bills.  It results in a team spinning its wheels, not improving.

 

 

[Gregg]

4 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I love what Ty Johnson and Ray Davis bring to the RB room, but Cook is the Thurman for this offense.  Anyone who doesn’t see it just isn’t paying attention (in my opinion).

 

Now, I’m NOT saying that Cook is a HOFer…but he is an electric player who defenses have to account for, and he opens things up.

 

Like Beane, I’m expecting Jimbo to be ready and play his arse off this year in the hopes he can ink a big deal.

 

 

Cook is absolutely needed. He is the 2nd best player on the Bills offense. He isn't elite like Barkley or Henry, but he is very good. He helps take a lot of pressure off of Allen.

Edited 3 hours ago by Gregg

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I love what Ty Johnson and Ray Davis bring to the RB room, but Cook is the Thurman for this offense.  Anyone who doesn’t see it just isn’t paying attention (in my opinion).

 

Now, I’m NOT saying that Cook is a HOFer…but he is an electric player who defenses have to account for, and he opens things up.

 

Like Beane, I’m expecting Jimbo to be ready and play his arse off this year in the hopes he can ink a big deal.

 

 

That'a right.

 

Cook isnt Ronnie Harmon and Ray Davis isnt Thurman.

 

More like Singletary was Ronnie Harmon, Cook is Thurman, and Ray Davis is Kenny Davis.

 

He is our ONLY homerun hitter on Offense. We dont have the ability to hit deep passes. Cook is our game changer that can spring a 40+ yard gain at any moment.

[MikePJ76]

4 minutes ago, Gregg said:

Cook not being at OTA's isn't a big deal. I will start to get concerned if he is a no show at TC.

See this is the thing.

 

OTA's do not start until may 27th.  Cook hasn't missed OTA's and is not holding out yet as far as any of us know.

 

What has started is workouts.  We think he has not been there for workouts.  

 

If cook misses all three session's of OTA's, particularly the Mandatory one June 10th-12th then that is a holdout.  

 

If he misses all the OTA's and is telling the team he want's 15 or 20 million then there is an issue.  

 

As of right now he made a comment on social media about wanting 15 million and thats all.  I would love to look through some of the fans complaining about this social media to see the stuff they post.

[muppy]

4 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

See this is the thing.

 

OTA's do not start until may 27th.  Cook hasn't missed OTA's and is not holding out yet as far as any of us know.

 

What has started is workouts.  We think he has not been there for workouts.  

 

If cook misses all three session's of OTA's, particularly the Mandatory one June 10th-12th then that is a holdout.  

 

If he misses all the OTA's and is telling the team he want's 15 or 20 million then there is an issue.  

 

As of right now he made a comment on social media about wanting 15 million and thats all.  I would love to look through some of the fans complaining about this social media to see the stuff they post.

I know this is a message board and everyone have strong opinions. But you state as facts as I bolded as if there was no biggie before then. Seriously? no issue until then.,

GOTCHA

 

I don't   buy it There clearly is an issue. I think the Bills would be insane to let him walk

you can wait until then to be concerned. okie.

Edited 3 hours ago by muppy

[MikePJ76]

3 minutes ago, muppy said:

I know this is a message board and everyone have strong opinions. But you state as facts as I bolded as if there was no biggie before then. Seriously? no issue until then.,

GOTCHA

 

I don't   buy it There clearly is an issue. I think the Bills would be insane to let him walk

you can wait until then to be concerned. okie.

He was amazing last year and he wants a raise and the benefit of a new multi year contract.  

 

Exactly like every other player in every sport who is an important piece to the team and is underpaid.  

 

again, He has not missed OTA's yet because they have not happened yet.  Not really that hard to understand.  

 

if he skips the mandatory OTA's and doesn't show up for TC then there is an issue.  

 

Until then it is just people belittling him and saying he is worthless and can be replaced by anybody from their local over 50 flag football league.  

[muppy]

1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said:

He was amazing last year and he wants a raise and the benefit of a new multi year contract.  

 

Exactly like every other player in every sport who is an important piece to the team and is underpaid.  

 

again, He has not missed OTA's yet because they have not happened yet.  Not really that hard to understand.  

 

if he skips the mandatory OTA's and doesn't show up for TC then there is an issue.  

 

Until then it is just people belittling him and saying he is worthless and can be replaced by anybody from their local over 50 flag football league.  

I appreciate what you wrote,  Please don't patronize if that bolded was intended towards me.

 

you are emphatic in your opinions and I get it but they are not gospel

[Ralonzo]

It's probably going to gall me watching Brashard Smith on the Chiefs at the draft slot they got him. He's the right guy to have waiting in the wings but a year early for the Bills.

 

The Cook equation, if you're thinking in terms of letting him walk and qualify for the comp formula, this is the trade:

 

Bill get: 1 (contract) year of James Cook.

Bills give: A (potential) 2026 4th rounder (by trading him) for a (potential) 2027 4th rounder (comp).

 

To me, this status-quo is so much better a deal than the 10 games they got from Amari Cooper for a straight-up 3rd.

[Einstein's Dog]

8 minutes ago, muppy said:

I know this is a message board and everyone have strong opinions. But you state as facts as I bolded as if there was no biggie before then. Seriously? no issue until then.,

GOTCHA

 

I don't   buy it There clearly is an issue. I think the Bills would be insane to let him walk

you can wait until then to be concerned. okie.

I think the drama has been dramatically reduced.  The Bills did not trade him.  The Bills didn't even draft another RB. 

 

To me that means Beane clearly expects J Cook to play.  If Beane thought Cook was going to sit for the first 11 games I think Beane would have taken a different approach.  Glad to see it didn't happen, we can't just replace Cook he is an exciting top tier RB.

 

And to go one step further, depending on results this year (Superbowl + running offense) I think it's possible Beane puts in a big offer to retain Cook.  Hasn't been his philosophy to date but things can change.

[Einstein's Dog]

37 minutes ago, muppy said:

right. and we are INVESTED. I get it. I just don't like it

 

of course I want him back. who wouldn't. Get it Done.

 

I think you are right and there was drama.  And it wasn't just the fanbase making it up.  These guys know social media posts will garner attention.  They know someone will notice if they put their house up for sale (even if it means they have to backdoor it by bringing it to someone's attention).

 

But as I said above, I think the situation has cooled.  It looks like Beane thinks J Cook will play this year.  Hope he has that calculated correctly.

[Mister Defense]

1 hour ago, MikePJ76 said:

The bills do need cook to win.  

 

He won't get the 15 million he asked for but why does he get so much hate and ignorance for asking for it.  He is worth a lot.  He is a fantastic weapon.

 

He accounted for 19 touchdowns last year and helped set up a bunch more he didn't get to touch the ball on and punch it in.  

 

Cook rushed for 272 yards in the playoffs, 15 runs were for first downs and he scored 3 td's one which was in incredible play vs KC.  Important to note they played three of the best defenses in the league in the playoffs in Denver, Baltimore and KC. 

 

People acting like he is some bum who can be replaced by anybody in the 6th round will be the first ones to complain when he is gone the big plays from the running game go bye bye.

 

 

 

Great, fact and reason filled post--the antithesis of so many of the 'Let Cook walk', posts

 

Love it all, but just bolded two important points you make above, for all those who are so flippant in their views.

 

This issue had made me want to go back and see how many of the posters you are referring to above, are also those who comically, ignorantly, were, and likely still are, up in arms when they hear the words "complimentary football", related to the aspect of this whereas a great running game fosters a great passing game and visa versa. I think of this because if they don't value the running game, despite all of the concrete evidence that it has been a vital element in the Bills' best teams over the last five years, then it is reasonable to believe that they want to "Let Cook walk" too, I think. Same side of the same coin, same ignorance.

 

And it also has me wanting to know more about those posters lambasting Beane for not drafting a wideout who are basically calling (once again) for his firing. (Ignoring the fact the Bills had the best offense they ever had last year, scored the most points in the league....)  How many of this group, so desperate for our super neglected,  almost talent-less offense to get the help that is needed, are also the ones almost clamoring for the Bills to "Let Cook walk? Would love to know that, how it stacks up.

 

It would take a lot of time to get those answers to my questions in bold above, but it could be fun and maybe very telling to do so. I am too lazy.

 

But I will pay a poster big $ to get that data and post it, or a big thumbs up emoji at the very least, my call.

 

To me it may reveal a lot, some of the interesting connections and contradictions on these issues.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Mister Defense

[noacls17]

54 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

 

Like so many of the let Cook walk posts, just babble,, things made up out of thin air, with zero support, zero concrete, to back it up.

 

Such a revealing tell of bad ideas, and lazy thinking, when looking at anything in life.

 

Like I said before, it is sounding just like the crap from those shouting, 'Let Lynch walk', he's not special, not that good, we have Jackson and Spiller, we don't need him...  For what I said at the time was the worst move I had ever seen the Bills make, and a take that clearly was supported with facts after that.

 

The kind of thinking that was a vital element in the many years of consistent losing, desperation, and an almost two decade playoff drought for the Bills.  It results in a team spinning its wheels, not improving.

 

 

Yes, definitely should have kept the drunk who hit a woman with his car on Chippewa street🤣