Roundybout Posted July 1 Posted July 1 13 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Are we the only country on earth capable of sending aid to other countries? Why not lead by example as the wealthiest nation on earth?
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted July 1 Posted July 1 Just now, Roundybout said: Why not lead by example as the wealthiest nation on earth? How bout no. Here's an idea.....if you live in an area that struggles with basic necessities like food and shelter maybe you shouldn't procreate.
Roundybout Posted July 1 Posted July 1 6 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: How bout no. Here's an idea.....if you live in an area that struggles with basic necessities like food and shelter maybe you shouldn't procreate. Oh it’s just that easy! You should go tell that to the thousands dying of cholera in Sudan.
AverageAllensSuspensor Posted July 1 Posted July 1 21 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Are we the only country on earth capable of sending aid to other countries? Other nations send alot more per capita/GNI: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/foreign-aid-given-as-a-share-of-national-income?
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted July 1 Posted July 1 3 minutes ago, AverageAllensSuspensor said: Other nations send alot more per capita/GNI: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/foreign-aid-given-as-a-share-of-national-income? Good for them! 4 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Oh it’s just that easy! You should go tell that to the thousands dying of cholera in Sudan. How is this any of my problem?
Roundybout Posted July 1 Posted July 1 2 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Good for them! How is this any of my problem? We have a moral obligation to help the poor. Human rights are universal.
Thurmal34 Posted July 26 Posted July 26 Great job capitulating soft power to China’s Belt and Road initiative.
B-Man Posted August 15 Posted August 15 Anyone surprised ? The DNC's collapse is the direct result of the defunding of USAID by George Harizanov By all accounts, even those of liberal media outlets, the Democratic National Committee is broke. Under the leadership of chairman Ken Martin, the DNC is facing a full-blown financial crisis. But how did it come to this? Well, donor flight is one part of the answer. Since President Trump and J.D. Vance took office in a historic victory, the DNC's once-reliable donor class has slammed the brakes on contributions. But the bigger story, and one the mainstream press won't touch, is that a critical pipeline of cash has been shut off: the massive taxpayer-funded slush fund known as USAID. https://humanevents.com/2025/08/13/george-harizanov-the-dncs-collapse-is-the-direct-result-of-the-defunding-of-usaid . 1
sherpa Posted August 29 Posted August 29 On 7/1/2025 at 12:10 PM, AverageAllensSuspensor said: Other nations send alot more per capita/GNI: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/foreign-aid-given-as-a-share-of-national-income? I am extremely suspicious of this conclusion, as I have seen similar things in the past. In the link, at least as far as I could tell, there is no mention of aid totals that are separate from official gov numbers. The US grants aid as a government, and that is what seems to be reported in this link. US citizens also have thousands of avenues to provide such aid that are not reported as official gov aid, largely religious. Other countries do not have near that participation. I believe that if total aid from US citizens, including not formal gov aid was included in these numbers, it would drastically change the conclusion. Most US citizens support charities that are not part of any gov report. 1 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 29 Posted August 29 18 minutes ago, sherpa said: I am extremely suspicious of this conclusion, as I have seen similar things in the past. In the link, at least as far as I could tell, there is no mention of aid totals that are separate from official gov numbers. The US grants aid as a government, and that is what seems to be reported in this link. US citizens also have thousands of avenues to provide such aid that are not reported as official gov aid, largely religious. Other countries do not have near that participation. I believe that if total aid from US citizens, including not formal gov aid was included in these numbers, it would drastically change the conclusion. Most US citizens support charities that are not part of any gov report. Faith related aid often comes with strings attached
The Frankish Reich Posted August 29 Posted August 29 9 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Faith related aid often comes with strings attached Yes. But I am not going to criticize the do-gooder groups who take Christ's message seriously: do good. 2
sherpa Posted August 29 Posted August 29 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Faith related aid often comes with strings attached That may be something you're interested in. I do a good deal of dispursement this at our church, and I am not aware of anything attaching strings, but to each his own. I am simply stating that a great deal of charitable contributions that US citizens make are not reported in any official capacity, and certainly not as gov aid. It could be argued that a small amount of it could be monitored by allowable tax deductions, but that would be another false path, as a great deal of these are not reported to the IRS since people don't itemize as often since the standard deductions are large enough to eliminate that reporting. The point is that the US citizen gives way more in charity than is ever accounted for by gov stats, and those avenues are not nearly as opted for by foreign citizens, Edited August 29 by sherpa 1 1 1
AverageAllensSuspensor Posted August 29 Posted August 29 1 hour ago, sherpa said: I am extremely suspicious of this conclusion, as I have seen similar things in the past. In the link, at least as far as I could tell, there is no mention of aid totals that are separate from official gov numbers. The US grants aid as a government, and that is what seems to be reported in this link. US citizens also have thousands of avenues to provide such aid that are not reported as official gov aid, largely religious. Other countries do not have near that participation. I believe that if total aid from US citizens, including not formal gov aid was included in these numbers, it would drastically change the conclusion. Most US citizens support charities that are not part of any gov report. What makes you think/say other nations do not have the same participation in non government foreign aid? Reading this forum I would asume the complete opposite. America first etc. The numbers are what they are. Other nations donate way more per capita. However I know Maga are completely immune to statistics and numbers. If they don't fit the script they are fake news, so I do not expect you to believe in any official numbers.
sherpa Posted August 29 Posted August 29 8 minutes ago, AverageAllensSuspensor said: What makes you think/say other nations do not have the same participation in non government foreign aid? Reading this forum I would asume the complete opposite. America first etc. The numbers are what they are. Other nations donate way more per capita. However I know Maga are completely immune to statistics and numbers. If they don't fit the script they are fake news, so I do not expect you to believe in any official numbers. Another idiotic accusation. This has nothing to do with Trump or any of his supporters. Absolutely nothing, but that oft repeated nonsense cannot be avoided by folks, and it is so illustrative of ignorance. I remember looking at this stuff years ago, and the amount of charity from US citizens is not nearly accurately reported because there are thousands of pathways to do so that are not statistically tracked, by gov reports. Believe what you want, but there isn't a single greater charitable nation in history that gets close to the US, and the charity extends well beyond money. 1 1 1
Pokebball Posted August 31 Posted August 31 On 7/1/2025 at 10:02 AM, Roundybout said: Why not lead by example as the wealthiest nation on earth? so taxing us for somebody's perceived charity? I think we tax us for our basic services and then anyone that wants to give charity is free to give to any and all charities of their choice
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