Wide Receiver Train Full Speed Ahead- CHOO CHOO!

[Shortchaz]

17 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

A "big competition" can take place even if the competitors aren't very good. 

 

So many inappropriate jokes come to mind…

[Redblood]

Coleman needs to really emerge as a good receiver

[oldmanfan]

Amazed to read the negative Nellie’s here.  Remind me again what team scored the most points last season?  
 

And this coming year we’ll have a guy in Palmer who gets the one thing people bee-yatch about: separation.  Kincaid had a good rookie year and was banged up all last year, so should expect a rebound.  Coleman comes into his second year and needs to improve; God forbid players improve with more experience in the league.  People yelled and screamed for someone who can stretch the field and they have Moore, who should benefit from having the league MVP throwing the ball.  Samuel also looked good end of the season after getting through injury; his issue is staying healthy.  And of course you have the 3 legged monster of RBs that can catch the ball.

 

i’m not terribly worried.
 

 

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

A "big competition" can take place even if the competitors aren't very good. 

 

 

True.  I do think whoever makes the PS will be pretty good, relatively speaking.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Amazed to read the negative Nellie’s here.  Remind me again what team scored the most points last season?  
 

And this coming year we’ll have a guy in Palmer who gets the one thing people bee-yatch about: separation.  Kincaid had a good rookie year and was banged up all last year, so should expect a rebound.  Coleman comes into his second year and needs to improve; God forbid players improve with more experience in the league.  People yelled and screamed for someone who can stretch the field and they have Moore, who should benefit from having the league MVP throwing the ball.  Samuel also looked good end of the season after getting through injury; his issue is staying healthy.  And of course you have the 3 legged monster of RBs that can catch the ball.

 

i’m not terribly worried.
 

 

 

 

You weren't worried about WR last offseason either.    Then Baltimore and Houston happened.   The latter being one of the worst performances by an NFL QB this century.   Because of insufficient quality at WR.  

 

So you were proven wrong.    

 

Beane had to burn a precious 3rd round pick to address it with a player coming off a 1200 yard season that teams had to respect as a deep threat.

 

And they subsequently produced a full TD more per game after that.  (As Beane is proud to note)

 

That's the difference between being the 2nd highest scoring offense and finishing 11th(Arizona).

 

And for further perspective on what that kind of disparity means........the Bills ranked 11th in defensive DVOA last season and the prevailing sentiment among fans and local/national media is that they were bad defensively.

 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You weren't worried about WR last offseason either.    Then Baltimore and Houston happened.   The latter being one of the worst performances by an NFL QB this century.   Because of insufficient quality at WR.  

 

So you were proven wrong.    

 

Beane had to burn a precious 3rd round pick to address it with a player coming off a 1200 yard season that teams had to respect as a deep threat.

 

And they subsequently produced a full TD more per game after that.  (As Beane is proud to note)

 

That's the difference between being the 2nd highest scoring offense and finishing 11th(Arizona).

 

And for further perspective on what that kind of disparity means........the Bills ranked 11th in defensive DVOA last season and the prevailing sentiment among fans and local/national media is that they were bad defensively.

 

You come out of the woodwork only to complain.  Wallow in misery.

[Mikey152]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You weren't worried about WR last offseason either.    Then Baltimore and Houston happened.   The latter being one of the worst performances by an NFL QB this century.   Because of insufficient quality at WR.  

 

So you were proven wrong.    

 

Beane had to burn a precious 3rd round pick to address it with a player coming off a 1200 yard season that teams had to respect as a deep threat.

 

And they subsequently produced a full TD more per game after that.  (As Beane is proud to note)

 

That's the difference between being the 2nd highest scoring offense and finishing 11th(Arizona).

 

And for further perspective on what that kind of disparity means........the Bills ranked 11th in defensive DVOA last season and the prevailing sentiment among fans and local/national media is that they were bad defensively.

 

That feels like a bit of revisionist history, tbh. Through the first three games of the season they looked like world beaters without Amari Cooper.

 

Then the Ravens and Texans happened, but what nobody talks about in those two games are A) Shakir got hurt and B) the offensive line played like trash and not because nobody was getting open, but because they were straight missing assignments and allowing free rushers.

 

so yeah, they let go of MVS and traded for Cooper and they played better on offense…pretty much looked like the first three weeks. But Cooper didn’t really do much, missed some games and was getting out snapped by Mack Hollins.

 

i think it is hilarious that the first argument brought up when saying we need a receiver are the numbers our receivers put up. But those same people are all too quick to say that Coopers contributions were about more than numbers…he was so good he pulled coverage from the bench.

 

cooper fits your narrative, I get it. But they scored 30 in multiple games he didn’t play in.

 

they didn’t score 30 in any games Shakir didn’t play the whole game. And I’d have to check because I am going off memory, but they scored 30+ in almost every one he finished.

Edited 18 hours ago by Mikey152

[Redblood]

Im expecting a bigger season for curtis samuel

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Mikey152 said:

That feels like a bit of revisionist history, tbh. Through the first three games of the season they looked like world beaters without Amari Cooper.

 

Then the Ravens and Texans happened, but what nobody talks about in those two games are A) Shakir got hurt and B) the offensive line played like trash and not because nobody was getting open, but because they were straight missing assignments and allowing free rushers.

 

so yeah, they let go of MVS and traded for Cooper and they played better on offense…pretty much looked like the first three weeks. But Cooper didn’t really do much, missed some games and was getting out snapped by Mack Hollins.

 

i think it is hilarious that the first argument brought up when saying we need a receiver are the numbers our receivers put up. But those same people are all too quick to say that Coopers contributions were about more than numbers…he was so good he pulled coverage from the bench.

 

cooper fits your narrative, I get it. But they scored 30 in multiple games he didn’t play in.

 

they didn’t score 30 in any games Shakir didn’t play the whole game. And I’d have to check because I am going off memory, but they scored 30+ in almost every one he finished.

 

 

First, let's acknowledge that you were also one of the more vocal, irrational "WR is quietly getting better" people.

 

Second, EVERY ONE of you either admitted you were wrong or hid from the discourse when the very predictable happened and good teams squatted on the Bills short pass limited offense and totally shut it down.   

 

Third,  Beane admitted he and his apologists were wrong by desperately trading a pick he greatly valued WEEKS before the trade deadline because it was THAT obvious that the offense was in trouble.   There was no time to lose.    They could not afford to be anything but a top offense and the reason why a top WR earns so much money is that their presence can entirely change how a defense has to attack them.

 

Lastly,  your Shakir stat doesn't track.   Implying that they would have scored 30 against Baltimore if he just finished the game is ridiculous.   He was missed in Houston for sure but the difference just made the difference between horrible and all-time bad.  He was back for the uninspiring offense performance in NJ the week after.    That's when Beane pulled the trigger on the Cooper deal.  

 

[BADOLBILZ]

 

12 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

You come out of the woodwork only to complain.  Wallow in misery.

 

It's all entertainment old man.   If it makes you miserable that's a you problem.  It's not that emotional for me.   I'm here to talk straight about a product where the objective is to win the SB.   You are here to displace your disappointment with the team onto fans.   

 

[BADOLBILZ]

8 hours ago, Redblood said:

Im expecting a bigger season for curtis samuel

 

Expect or just hoping for?  

 

There is a long list of players like Samuel who had bad years last year that they are counting on a lot more from this year.

 

Bosa, Ogunjobi, Epenesa, Daquan, Milano, Kincaid, Bishop, Coleman and now Moore.  Hariston and Deone Walker are both coming off down years in college.  Tre White and Dane Jackson were terrible last year as well but hopefully neither has to start.  

 

Hope seems to be the strategy.    

 

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Expect or just hoping for?  

 

There is a long list of players like Samuel who had bad years last year that they are counting on a lot more from this year.

 

Bosa, Ogunjobi, Epenesa, Daquan, Milano, Kincaid, Bishop, Coleman and now Moore.  Hariston and Deone Walker are both coming off down years in college.  Tre White and Dane Jackson were terrible last year as well but hopefully neither has to start.  

 

Hope seems to be the strategy.    

 

 

While I don't disagree I do think you can make that kind of analysis about most NFL rosters most years. If you look at the Eagles roster going into 2024:

 

 - Relying on Zach Baun and Mekhi Becton to start after both were released at the end of rookie deals by bad teams who had no interest in keeping them. 

 

- Relying on Darius Slay to return to form after a massive down year age 33.

 

- Relying on Nolan Smith to show something after a dreadful rookie season.

 

- Relying on Nakobe Dean to stay healthy which he has showed no ability to do previously. 

 

- Relying on Milton Williams to look more like the guy he was before 2023 when he played more than ever and had less impact.

 

- Relying on cobbling together some sort of wide receiver #3 impact with scrubs like Jahan Dotson.

 

- and the big one... Relying on Jalen Hurts to return to the guy who looked after the football rather than the turnover machine he was in 2023. 

 

 

Other than WR3 they got what they needed in all of those areas but there were question marks, guys coming off down years all over their roster too. I just think that is the NFL in this era tbh. 

 

It doesn't always work out as well as it did for the 2024 Eagles of course. And the Bills could end up at the other end of the scale. What is most likely is they land somewhere in between and some of those question marks work out well, others work our badly.

[oldmanfan]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

It's all entertainment old man.   If it makes you miserable that's a you problem.  It's not that emotional for me.   I'm here to talk straight about a product where the objective is to win the SB.   You are here to displace your disappointment with the team onto fans.   

 

I am optimistic.  That is pretty much the opposite of miserable.