Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Logic said: Right now, I agree with you. I think the Bills are further from Super Bowl contention right now than they were at season's end. Some of that was bound to happen due to salary cap implications and aging players that left, but...I can't help but agree. You either step forward, backward, or stand pat in a given offseason. At BEST, I feel the Bills stood pat, but I think it's more likely that they took a step back. And the shame is this, IMO: 1) They knew it would be but 2) They don't want to admit it publicly AND 3) They wasted an opportunity to make this team much stronger next year by taking more drastic action this year Edited April 27 by Pine Barrens Mafia 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I believe that. I don't think Mcdermott wants a "josh Allen". He is dead set on run the ball, play good D and maybe control the clock. It makes me wonder how much longer Allen is going to put up with it. After this most recent off-season I have to agree I think this is setting up for a very unfortunate 2-3yr attempt at a ball control grind it out type offense 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Just now, Logic said: Trading up for one of the big three WRs -- which Beane said he didn't try to do -- would've done it. Failing that, as I said, collecting quantity instead of quality might've accomplished that. Giving greater priority to surrounding Allen with multiple skillsets at wide receiver. When I look at the Bills' WR corps as it stands right now, it's hard not to feel like it's one of the least inspiring groups in the league. That's funny, because I'm guessing this is going to be the Bills best pass attack since his early breakout games 1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: And the shame is this, IMO: 1) They knew it would be but 2) They don't want to admit it publicly AND 3) They wasted an opportunity to make this team much stronger by taking more drastic action this year WHAT OPPORTUNITY ARE YOU REFERRING TO?!! If Keon Coleman ran a 4.55 in the combine, how y'all feel about him? Be truthful 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 After all is said and done at this time, the offense is far worse on paper than last year. The WR group is bottom 10 at best. I doubt Brady signed up for this BS. All we can do is hope that Beane makes a move for a veteran. Right now as constructed this team is not beating the Jets D and probably can't keep up with the Dolphins offense. So sad... 2 1 2 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentuckyBillsFan Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 5 minutes ago, VW82 said: I quite like this draft outside of the Coleman pick. I'm assuming VPG will start in which case we picked up three starters in Coleman, Bishop, and VPG. Carter and Davis will be rotational players. Soloman looks like he could be a useful DPR. Let's not forget where this roster was two months ago. Beane pulled a rabbit out of his hat to get to this point. We didn't get a stud receiver, and in fact we still need another stopgap. Rome wasn't built in a day. Too many people got too caught up in this being the greatest wr draft since sliced bread. We'll fix it next year. In the meantime, now we can actually field a competitive team which I wasn't certain we'd be able to do 8 weeks ago. This was one of the deepest WR drafts ever. If we didn’t come out of it with a top shelf WR then that’s a failure 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: After this most recent off-season I have to agree I think this is setting up for a very unfortunate 2-3yr attempt at a ball control grind it out type offense Yup. They go 8-9 this year and Josh marries the actress, he's going to ask for a trade to LA or Vegas. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 5 minutes ago, appoo said: WHAT OPPORTUNITY ARE YOU REFERRING TO?!! Taking on the maximum dead cap charge possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 You're basically not high on Coleman, and we didn't double dip at WR. Based on experience and some of these prospects being older/ready to contribute immediately (maybe a bit lower ceiling): Immediate starters: Coleman, Bishop Sizeable % of snaps/key rotational role: Carter, Davis, Hardy (returner) Potential to be a future starter: SVPG (maybe even this year) Key backup/ST role: Ulof (immediate core ST player), Solomon (key S/T and potential to be a impact pass rush specialist this year) Grable is a solid developmental project, if we can hold onto him. We needed to do a mini rebuild across the roster, replace leadership as you said. I think we have a strong culture already in place but this class enhances that. Honestly, this draft class comes down mostly to Coleman and Bishops impact. And if we added some DL pressure. Davis will be a solid RB2 no doubt. I'm concerned about a 2nd outside WR too, but Beane either views a FA target post June 1 OR has enough faith in Shorter. My guess is we grab a vet WR in FA. Asking to go "GB" with multiple guys.... thing is we already have a few: Kincaid, Samuel, Shakir, Cook. We need a depth outside/boundary WR (vet FA noted above) and we are counting on: 700-800+ yard season: Coleman, Kincaid, Samuel, and Shakir 400-600 yards (in aggregate): Cook (mostly him), Davis and Johnson 400-600 yards: Knox, WR4, WR5 WR4/5: as of now, Hollins and Shorter. That's not going to cut it. But if we add a vet FA then I think we have at least a feasible plan in place. Let's be patient and see how Beane addresses WR4. He wasn't afraid to make moves after draft LY (Floyd, Murray, Ford). 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 minute ago, KentuckyBillsFan said: This was one of the deepest WR drafts ever. If we didn’t come out of it with a top shelf WR then that’s a failure As I laid out in my previous post, we had many more needs than just WR. We came out of it with multiple starters, depth pieces, and prospects in a year where we were desperate for bodies. It's a win in every way but through the receiver lens. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Just now, VW82 said: As I laid out in my previous post, we had many more needs than just WR. We came out of it with multiple starters, depth pieces, and prospects in a year where we were desperate for bodies. It's a win in every way but through the receiver lens. Which is arguably the most important lens. This offense is not going to be good and I think the defense won't be great either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: After this most recent off-season I have to agree I think this is setting up for a very unfortunate 2-3yr attempt at a ball control grind it out type offense With Josh Allen at QB. It's criminal if that's the plan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaVinci Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Our ability to Improve is going to depend on our Offensive coordinator and how much Mcdermott lets him call the Offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 minute ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: After all is said and done at this time, the offense is far worse on paper than last year. The WR group is bottom 10 at best. I doubt Brady signed up for this BS. All we can do is hope that Beane makes a move for a veteran. Right now as constructed this team is not beating the Jets D and probably can't keep up with the Dolphins offense. So sad... Last year the Bills WR didn't have a single guy who could run faster than a 4.5 other than Shakir, who didn't even break out till last 1/3 of the season. They had exactly ONE Wr who could win on the perimeter, and he was a dude that didn't have either the body control nor speed to beat shaded coverage beat - the only way Davis was effective as a deep threat was when he was isolated. Defenses did not have to worry about anyone else deep, because pretty much any corner could cover Diggs, beyond 15 yards. This season, teams will have to accoutn for the pure speed of Samuel, Keon Coleman's deep ball ability as a bigger, elite body control, quick WR - he's basically a more athletic version of Gabe Davis, and then deal with what's likely a really good WR in Shakir who seemingly can be effective in all route concepts - a poor man's version of Cooper Kupp. Add to that 2 damn good TEs and a really good back out of the backfield. It may not look like it, but this offense absolutely upgraded in WR this offseason because of the added speed and versaility 3 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Which is arguably the most important lens. This offense is not going to be good and I think the defense won't be great either The offense won't be good? We have a top 3 QB, a top 10 Oline, a top 5 TE group, and top 5 backfield. Our defense has a much better chance to be good with the players we added yesterday and today. Bishop and Carter, in particular, should help right away. We get Milano and Von back. Defense will be fine. Edited April 27 by VW82 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 27 Author Share Posted April 27 2 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: You're basically not high on Coleman, and we didn't double dip at WR. Based on experience and some of these prospects being older/ready to contribute immediately (maybe a bit lower ceiling): Immediate starters: Coleman, Bishop Sizeable % of snaps/key rotational role: Carter, Davis, Hardy (returner) Potential to be a future starter: SVPG (maybe even this year) Key backup/ST role: Ulof (immediate core ST player), Solomon (key S/T and potential to be a impact pass rush specialist this year) Grable is a solid developmental project, if we can hold onto him. We needed to do a mini rebuild across the roster, replace leadership as you said. I think we have a strong culture already in place but this class enhances that. Honestly, this draft class comes down mostly to Coleman and Bishops impact. And if we added some DL pressure. Davis will be a solid RB2 no doubt. I'm concerned about a 2nd outside WR too, but Beane either views a FA target post June 1 OR has enough faith in Shorter. My guess is we grab a vet WR in FA. Asking to go "GB" with multiple guys.... thing is we already have a few: Kincaid, Samuel, Shakir, Cook. We need a depth outside/boundary WR (vet FA noted above) and we are counting on: 700-800+ yard season: Coleman, Kincaid, Samuel, and Shakir 400-600 yards (in aggregate): Cook (mostly him), Davis and Johnson 400-600 yards: Knox, WR4, WR5 WR4/5: as of now, Hollins and Shorter. That's not going to cut it. But if we add a vet FA then I think we have at least a feasible plan in place. Let's be patient and see how Beane addresses WR4. He wasn't afraid to make moves after draft LY (Floyd, Murray, Ford). Great response. Thank you for this. Yeah, I'll admit: I'd feel a lot better about things if the Bills added just one more legitimate dude to the receiving corps, even via free agency. They're one Samuel injury or one slow Coleman developmental Summer away from Mack Hollins or Justin Shorter being counted on for serious offensive snaps, and that is not acceptable to me. I'm not even sure who at this point in the offseason would be a viable addition to that room -- OBJ? Chark? MVS? -- but I have my fingers crossed for SOMEBODY. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 5 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Taking on the maximum dead cap charge possible and instead keeping a player who couldn't do crap beyond 15-20 yards for us? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 12 minutes ago, appoo said: What the hell is the this alternate to Keon Coleman that turns this offense into what ever it y'all imagine it's gonna be? Like what am I missing here There are ppl on this forum that live in La La land that thought trading into the top 10 to draft Nabers or Odunze was a realistic possibility and b/c we didn’t do that this draft was a fail. Coleman is fine piece to add. I think the receiver corps is good. Coleman, Shakir, Samuel, Kincaid and Knox- it’s a well rounded group. Likely will get some depth contribution from Hollins, Hamler, Shorter. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentuckyBillsFan Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 McDermott has clearly run his course in Buffalo. It’s obvious to everyone except Pegula. We’re just going to continue to waste prime Josh Allen 3 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 minute ago, Logic said: Great response. Thank you for this. Yeah, I'll admit: I'd feel a lot better about things if the Bills added just one more legitimate dude to the receiving corps, even via free agency. They're one Samuel injury or one slow Coleman developmental Summer away from Mack Hollins or Justin Shorter being counted on for serious offensive snaps, and that is not acceptable to me. I'm not even sure who at this point in the offseason would be a viable addition to that room -- OBJ? Chark? MVS? -- but I have my fingers crossed for SOMEBODY. I've been told it's impossible, I guess because of the cap, but I am still going to hold out hope there is a way to bring in Aiyuk. He's exactly what we need. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 minute ago, appoo said: and instead keeping a player who couldn't do crap beyond 15-20 yards for us? No, I meant they should have gotten rid of diggs AND Miller. Maybe Knox too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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