Just Jack Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 hour ago, Mango said: There was some complaint about the 10 year length on the PSL's up thread. That likely coincides with right around Josh Allen's retirement. I would assume that is by design once the market resets? Based on the Sabres, the terrible upkeep of KBC, and Pegula pulling out of Blue Cross Arena lease in Rochester, I have every expectation that he becomes a bad tennant and the team tanks. He will want to stick his hand in the honey jar one more time before that happens. The 10 years is the finance loan you can get to pay off the PSL, the PSL contract is good for 30 years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 3 hours ago, BillsPride12 said: I just got an email from my Season Ticket Rep on whether I wanted strictly electronic tickets or the Season Ticket Debit Card they offer as an option. I always elect for the Season Ticket card but there's a caveat this year where if you select that option(first time this is a thing) there is a $15 charge that comes with it. I mean $15 is whatever but yet again there's a principal involved here where they are continuing to find every way possible to squeeze more money out of the fans. Guess they still aren't happy enough with all the extra $$$$$ they are making from these PSL's🤣🤣 I've said it before and I'll say it again, I am glad my time of being a ticket holder is coming to an end soon 1 hour ago, loyal2dagame said: They charged last year for the card also. You might have missed it but it was $10 per card. It’s actually a mandate by the NFL to go to cardless, paperless tickets. It actually started before Covid. The year before Covid my buddy and I went on a tour of the clubs when we were purchasing and our rep told us the NFL is going that route. It helps crack down on scalpers and fake tickets. Notice I didn’t say brokers. Because the NFL is perfectly ok with them doing what they’re doing. Anyway, you could still get cards, or even paper tickets but you had to ask for them. I imagined at some point you would have to pay extra for them as well. Which is now the case. I think you can still get paper tickets also, but last I checked it was an extra $4/ticket. 2 hours ago, Einstein said: Then you are either charging too much or are in the wrong section. My night games sold like hot-cakes. I kicked myself for not pricing them higher because they were gone so quickly. NOTE: The exception to this is Thursday night games. Those suck. I do watch some other STH's on Ticketmaster just sit on their tickets though. And it's almost always because they have them priced at something stupid like $700 per ticket. Of course they aren't selling at that price. Haven’t you stated in this thread multiple times that you are no longer a STH? When was the last time you sold night games? Because I did last year and I can tell you I had a hard time selling 1 night game. Lost money on one playoff game. Didn’t even get what I paid for them, and barely covered the other playoff game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 minute ago, mrags said: It’s actually a mandate by the NFL to go to cardless, paperless tickets. It actually started before Covid. The year before Covid my buddy and I went on a tour of the clubs when we were purchasing and our rep told us the NFL is going that route. It helps crack down on scalpers and fake tickets. Notice I didn’t say brokers. Because the NFL is perfectly ok with them doing what they’re doing. Anyway, you could still get cards, or even paper tickets but you had to ask for them. I imagined at some point you would have to pay extra for them as well. Which is now the case. I think you can still get paper tickets also, but last I checked it was an extra $4/ticket. I brought my brother in laws to the Eagles/Bills game back in 2019, and to make things easy I asked for paper tickets, having the mobile tickets as a backup, so I wouldn't need to get scanned seven times to get them in. I believe it was $4/ticket back then to get paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Just now, Just Jack said: I brought my brother in laws to the Eagles/Bills game back in 2019, and to make things easy I asked for paper tickets, having the mobile tickets as a backup, so I wouldn't need to get scanned seven times to get them in. I believe it was $4/ticket back then to get paper. Ok. So it’s most likely $6-10/tix now. I knew that was the case tho. Because we asked. again, it’s not the Bills doing it, it’s the NFL. The entire league is going that route. Maybe they all haven’t yet, but they will in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: If a person takes home $9,400 a month, with that $3,000 ticket, he still has $6,400 a month to live off of. A guy that takes home $3,200 a month, that $1,100 hurts him a lot more. That's only $2,100 leftover. Mortgage/Rent, groceries, utilities, car payments, general family every day costs....yeah that guy isn't buying $1,100 tickets. It's pretty ridiculous. Families making $22.00 an hour aren't buying $1,100 tickets and it doesn't make up the vast majority of the stadium lol. I'm not sure about you guys but I have to buy Health Insurance from my company which is pretty pricey. I also put a good percentage towards my 401K as well. This is all before I even get my check. Don't you all have kids to send to college too ? I'm afraid the numbers just don't add up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 6 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: I'm not sure about you guys but I have to buy Health Insurance from my company which is pretty pricey. I also put a good percentage towards my 401K as well. This is all before I even get my check. Don't you all have kids to send to college too ? I'm afraid the numbers just don't add up It doesn't add up. Groceries for a family of four probably averages $500-$600 a month. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, mrags said: When was the last time you sold night games? Because I did last year and I can tell you I had a hard time selling 1 night game. Lost money on one playoff game. Didn’t even get what I paid for them, and barely covered the other playoff game. Titans game where we smashed them. What price did you set the tickets at? 26 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: I also put a good percentage towards my 401K as well. Don't you all have kids to send to college too ? The vast majority do not do either of these things. You're falling into the trap of "I do these things, therefore others do as well". It's an easy trap to fall into. There was a study done last year that showed that more than half of America has ZERO saved for retirement. Literally 0. Nothing. Zip. Nada. And they certainly are not saving for college education either. My good friend worked for a car dealership. He would often tell stories of people on welfare and food stamps that would arrive and request to test drive a vehicle with a $500 per month payment. Sometimes he even got them approved (I believe with some smudging of numbers). They happily drove off. People have no problem spending $89 per month for Bills seasons. Edited April 11 by Einstein 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 16 minutes ago, Einstein said: Titans game where we smashed them. What price did you set the tickets at? The vast majority do not do either of these things. You're falling into the trap of "I do these things, therefore others do as well". It's an easy trap to fall into. There was a study done last year that showed that more than half of America has ZERO saved for retirement. Literally 0. Nothing. Zip. Nada. And they certainly are not saving for college education either. My good friend worked for a car dealership. He would often tell stories of people on welfare and food stamps that would arrive and request to test drive a vehicle with a $500 per month payment. Sometimes he even got them approved (I believe with some smudging of numbers). They happily drove off. People have no problem spending $89 per month for Bills seasons. That's because more than 50% of the people in this country make $50,000 or less and they don't have enough disposable income. Because of every day family expenses and cost of living. The majority of the Bills seasons ticket holders are not making $22.00 an hour and paying $1,100 PER ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 30 minutes ago, Einstein said: Titans game where we smashed them. What price did you set the tickets at? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! are you kidding me dude? Your really going to argue that selling your tickets to the season opener, the year after we lost in the .13 game, the year we signed Von Miller, the year that every single media outlet had us as the front runner for the years AFC Super Bowl contender, which happened to be a night game. And you want to tell me you didn’t lose money on those tickets? Yeah….. NO CHIT!!!! you are absolutely crazy dude. I can no longer read a single thing you ever write and take you with seriousness at all in any way shape or form. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 17 minutes ago, mrags said: HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! are you kidding me dude? Your really going to argue that selling your tickets to the season opener, the year after we lost in the .13 game, the year we signed Von Miller, the year that every single media outlet had us as the front runner for the years AFC Super Bowl contender, which happened to be a night game. And you want to tell me you didn’t lose money on those tickets? Yeah….. NO CHIT!!!! you are absolutely crazy dude. I can no longer read a single thing you ever write and take you with seriousness at all in any way shape or form. It took you long enough! 🤣🤣 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 26 minutes ago, mrags said: HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! are you kidding me dude? Your really going to argue that selling your tickets to the season opener, the year after we lost in the .13 game, the year we signed Von Miller, the year that every single media outlet had us as the front runner for the years AFC Super Bowl contender, which happened to be a night game. And you want to tell me you didn’t lose money on those tickets? Yeah….. NO CHIT!!!! you are absolutely crazy dude. I can no longer read a single thing you ever write and take you with seriousness at all in any way shape or form. That was a night game, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 7 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: It took you long enough! 🤣🤣 Well. I try to give people I’ve never met before the benefit of the doubt. For all I know he’s a big rig for Ticketmaster and knows specifics on resale values. Now I just see he’s living in his own delusional world. Where personal experiences from 2+ years ago aren’t factual in any way shape/form. Just now, Einstein said: That was a night game, right? Dude. Just stop. Opening day. Your insane. Just stop. try it now with a Monday night game in October and tell me how you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 8 minutes ago, mrags said: try it now with a Monday night game in October and tell me how you do. Let me guess - December dosn't count either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Einstein said: Let me guess - December dosn't count either. Just stop. Now you’re talking about the year before that? The first real playoff game in the stadium because Covid robbed us from the Colts game (I was at) and the Baltimore game. just stop guy. Making yourself look even more ridiculous with every post. Leave this thread and find something that you know to argue about. Edited April 11 by mrags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Just now, mrags said: The first real playoff game in the stadium because Covid robbed us from the Colts game (and high I was at) and the Baltimore game. Playoff games aren't played in December... That was a game played when we were 7-5, coming off 3 losses in our last 5 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Just now, Einstein said: Playoff games aren't played in December... That was a game played when we were 7-5, coming off 3 losses in our last 5 games. Read what I typed again. And then think about your existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Just now, mrags said: Read what I typed again. And then think about your existence. Trust me - I totally get it. Only games you deem as non-worthy night games count for your blanket rule of "night games don't sell well". September doesn't count. December doesn't count. Playoff games don't count (although you previously said that playoff games don't sell well). I could post 3 more examples and it wouldnt matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 9 minutes ago, Einstein said: Let me guess - December dosn't count either. What section? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 minute ago, Just Jack said: What section? 212 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Just now, Einstein said: Trust me - I totally get it. Only games you deem as non-worthy night games count for your blanket rule of "night games don't sell well". September doesn't count. December doesn't count. Playoff games don't count (although you previously said that playoff games don't sell well). I could post 3 more examples and it wouldnt matter. Sure. Go ahead and post 3 more playoff games from the 90s bills and tell me how well you did on resale for those games. you’ve recently stated you haven’t had tickets in a while. Then you said the last game you sold was the Titans game 2 seasons ago. Then the first playoff game at home in front of a full crowd in 20 years. just stop. Post about something you actually have knowledge of. I sold 6 regular season games last year and 2 playoff games. I made money overall. I made money on all regular season games. And lost money on 1 playoff games. But you’re arguing so many different things you can’t even remember what your original point was. Hell, no one else can because you keep flip flopping back and forth. First you talk about how little money people have and how we can’t afford PSLs but then talk about how well resale is. When you haven’t even done it in 2+ years. But your next post will be to point out that the majority of fans in the area live in mom’s basement and flip burgers for $15/hr and cannot afford tix. But yet the stadium is sold out every game, and there’s a 7k person waiting list. JUST STOP ALREADY. EVERYONE IS SICK OF HEARING IT OVER AND OVER. and that means a lot coming from me because everyone here loves me so much. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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