Pass rusher. A huge need not being talked about enough

[oldmanfan]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:23 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

I am not arguing for more 1st round resources spent on the DL. They have shot their shots. They have to make it work.

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Be interesting to see if Babich brings some new ideas about the pass rush

[mrags]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:23 AM, FireChans said:

If you aren't happy to be a top 3-4 team every year with a top 2 QB, you can watch the Panthers next year to scratch that itch of how fun it was to be in the bottom of the basement.

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Ugh. For once I’d like a team that I am a fan of to actually win it. Not finish 5th. I guess your happy with playoff mediocrity 

[oldmanfan]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:27 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

Good job. Cos you would be useless in a debate that requires more than feels.

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I’ll be happy to debate.  Let me know when you want to have a productive one vs. throwing out childish insults about McDermott.

[mrags]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:26 AM, FireChans said:

No more. They wasted enough capital as it is. Pray Rousseau is more than potential and Epenesa takes steroids. Offense x 1000 going forward.

 

Let's try to win 38-35 over trying to win 21-17. We may still lose, but I'm 100% on board with pivoting strategy. We don't have the horses and beating our heads into the wall trying to get them picking #28 and later every year ain't gonna work.

Serious question, what are you gonna do if @GoBills808 isn't around to make cogent points for you?

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Oh don’t worry I don’t need people to back up my opinions that most of you on this message board disagree with anyway. I really don’t care. 

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:27 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

Good job. Cos you would be useless in a debate that requires more than feels.

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As would you in a debate that actually uses facts. 

[GunnerBill]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:29 AM, mrags said:

As would you in a debate that actually uses facts. 

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Haha. Behave.

[MasterStrategist]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:29 AM, oldmanfan said:

I’ll be happy to debate.  Let me know when you want to have a productive one vs. throwing out childish insults about McDermott.

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pretty certain Gunner wasn't calling you out...instead Mrags

[FireChans]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:27 AM, GoBills808 said:

😂😂👍That's all I wanted to say at first

 

But this idea that there's no talent on the defensive line was too tempting to ignore lol

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AJE is so talented, he crawled back here for $6M a year. 39th DE in salary. Making a few mil more than Clelin Ferrel and Deatrich Wise.

 

I bet KC is sweating now.

[oldmanfan]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:31 AM, MasterStrategist said:

pretty certain Gunner wasn't calling you out...instead Mrags

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Oops.  Read it wrong.

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:27 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

Good job. Cos you would be useless in a debate that requires more than feels.

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Responded to this thinking you were the rag guy.  Sorry.  Agree with all you’ve said.

Edited March 24, 2024 by oldmanfan

[mrags]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:27 AM, GoBills808 said:

😂😂👍That's all I wanted to say at first

 

But this idea that there's no talent on the defensive line was too tempting to ignore lol

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Oliver top 10 pick

Russeau a first round pick

Phillips a 3rd rd pick

Epenessa a 2nd rd pick

Basham a 2nd rd pick

 

and I can’t even begin to talk about all the FA resources spent on the DL. It’s more than 10. Here’s the ones off the top of my head. 
Miller

Murphy

Star

Phillips

Lawson

Settle

Floyd

Joseph

Ford

 

 

[oldmanfan]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:32 AM, FireChans said:

AJE is so talented, he crawled back here for $6M a year. 39th DE in salary. Making a few mil more than Clelin Ferrel and Deatrich Wise.

 

I bet KC is sweating now.

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So let everyone walk and have Von and Jonathan.

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[GunnerBill]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:36 AM, mrags said:

Oliver top 10 pick

Russeau a first round pick

Phillips a 3rd rd pick

Epenessa a 2nd rd pick

Basham a 2nd rd pick

 

and I can’t even begin to talk about all the FA resources spent on the DL. It’s more than 10. Here’s the ones off the top of my head. 
Miller

Murphy

Star

Phillips

Lawson

Settle

Floyd

Joseph

Ford

 

 

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To be clear most of those decisions I disagreed with at the time and still do.

[GoBills808]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:32 AM, FireChans said:

AJE is so talented, he crawled back here for $6M a year. 39th DE in salary. Making a few mil more than Clelin Ferrel and Deatrich Wise.

 

I bet KC is sweating now.

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I better not find you or your kind in the Expenses re-signed thread saying it's a good move then😂😂

[oldmanfan]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:36 AM, mrags said:

Oliver top 10 pick

Russeau a first round pick

Phillips a 3rd rd pick

Epenessa a 2nd rd pick

Basham a 2nd rd pick

 

and I can’t even begin to talk about all the FA resources spent on the DL. It’s more than 10. Here’s the ones off the top of my head. 
Miller

Murphy

Star

Phillips

Lawson

Settle

Floyd

Joseph

Ford

 

 

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Yes.  And more will be spent over the years, because you need at least 8 D linemen.

 

Basham was a bad decision.  Murphy an uninspired FA choice.  But if Miller doesn’t tear his ACL we had a great shot 2 years ago.

[Walking Tall]

I think McDermott realizes that we will have to bring pressure from blitz schemes. Our front 4 just hasn’t done the job in crunch time during this playoff run. Time to do something else.

[Bermuda Triangle]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:27 AM, GoBills808 said:

😂😂👍That's all I wanted to say at first

 

But this idea that there's no talent on the defensive line was too tempting to ignore lol

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This is kind of weak - nobody said that there's "no talent" on the DL.  MRags' first post in this thread was (in part) as follows:   Rotate 17 defensive linemen every game and see how little snaps he can give to the actual difference makers on the defense

 

Who are these "difference makers" on the DL?  I can't get a straight answer - you're obviously an expert, so please, do tell!

[mrags]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:38 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

To be clear most of those decisions I disagreed with at the time and still do.

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That still doesn’t negate the fact that the “guru” and beloved defensive head coach has gotten everything he’s asked for to help his defense. despite being a top 5-10 defense every year and finishing near the top of the league in sacks during the season, he vanishes in the playoffs. Against literally every opponent. He had a decent showing against the ravens in the Covid year and that’s it. 

[FireChans]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:38 AM, GoBills808 said:

I better not find you or your kind in the Expenses re-signed thread saying it's a good move then😂😂

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Lmao, well now I'm in a pickle. Re-signing AJE for top-tier JAG money at least signaled they weren't going DE no matter what in round 1.

 

Still means his market was JAG money. Someone should tell the NFL they made a mistake, he had 6.5 sacks!

[MasterStrategist]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:36 AM, mrags said:

Oliver top 10 pick

Russeau a first round pick

Phillips a 3rd rd pick

Epenessa a 2nd rd pick

Basham a 2nd rd pick

 

and I can’t even begin to talk about all the FA resources spent on the DL. It’s more than 10. Here’s the ones off the top of my head. 
Miller

Murphy

Star

Phillips

Lawson

Settle

Floyd

Joseph

Ford

 

 

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Just because resources are spent, doesn't mean we have "talent".  Identifying young talent and spending FA $s on DL, has been Beanes/Staff biggest issue.

 

You're making a point targeted at Beane, in your post above.  If MCD is driving these decisions, which I'm sure he has some say, but it's the talent evaluators, pro and college, that are failing and Beane. 

 

Beane has turned us into a contender, because he got us Josh and Diggs.  But beyond that, he's been "solid" not spectacular.  Horrible returns on DL and missing on too many 1st/2nd round picks, is starting to show (when we have to eat the low return on Basham, Elam).  

[mrags]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:40 AM, oldmanfan said:

Yes.  And more will be spent over the years, because you need at least 8 D linemen.

 

Basham was a bad decision.  Murphy an uninspired FA choice.  But if Miller doesn’t tear his ACL we had a great shot 2 years ago.

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You need that many OLmen also but you don’t see them taking 18 OL in the first 3 rounds and in FA 

[oldmanfan]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:42 AM, mrags said:

That still doesn’t negate the fact that the “guru” and beloved defensive head coach has gotten everything he’s asked for to help his defense. despite being a top 5-10 defense every year and finishing near the top of the league in sacks during the season, he vanishes in the playoffs. Against literally every opponent. He had a decent showing against the ravens in the Covid year and that’s it. 

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When you put something in quotes it generally means you are citing someone.  Show us where anyone on the board called McD a guru.