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hondo in seattle Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 If anyone wants to know about my state of mind... I'm no longer bitter about trading away Lamonica. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, DJB said: I love Diggs he’s been fantastic for us. But I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a little bitter about how we essentially traded the best WR in the NFL who is considerably younger than Diggs as well. The thought of Josh with an elite young WR is so tantalizing. But I’m no longer bitter . Why? Because Jefferson wants more than $30 million per year . That’s insane money and he’s not 10+ million dollars worth more than Stef. Diggs has an older deal compared to most #1 starters. the newer deals are always going to be for more than the last, especially at the WR position in modern NFL. this contract will look high for 2 years, and then just be in the regular old "upper echelon" of starter deals. after 3 years, a bargain..... that isnt just this contract scenario, this is every contract scenario in NFL at top end of positions. i remember peyton getting 10yr/100m as a kid and people losing their FN MINDSSSSSSSSSSSS lol "this league will be bankrupt" "even if hes 1st ballot, he'll NEVER live up to that deal" blah blah blah 'if he plays the way hes been playing and stays healthy, itll be a great contract if he stinks or gets hurt often, it'll be a bad one' ^^^ this is the truth for every top of position contract we've ever seen and will ever see, dont get too caught up on the $$$ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 hours ago, DJB said: I love Diggs he’s been fantastic for us. But I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a little bitter about how we essentially traded the best WR in the NFL who is considerably younger than Diggs as well. The thought of Josh with an elite young WR is so tantalizing. But I’m no longer bitter . Why? Because Jefferson wants more than $30 million per year . That’s insane money and he’s not 10+ million dollars worth more than Stef. So how do you know they would have picked Jefferson? In hindsight it's great, but for all we know, whomever they picked, could have been a flop 3 hours ago, mrags said: Yup. They’ll draft a young QB on a rookie pay scale and use that money for JJ. By the time the rookie needs a new contract JJ will be on the downward slope and things will work out naturally. And the QB could be a Zack Wilson, or Mack Jones or Josh Rosen, or a number of other flop QB's. Then you have nothing, need a new QB and a WR who wants out, but no team will trade for him based on contract you gave him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: So how do you know they would have picked Jefferson? In hindsight it's great, but for all we know, whomever they picked, could have been a flop And the QB could be a Zack Wilson, or Mack Jones or Josh Rosen, or a number of other flop QB's. Then you have nothing, need a new QB and a WR who wants out, but no team will trade for him based on contract you gave him. He’s the best WR in football. I’m pretty sure they’ll do alright. Along with just about any QB they find that will likely be just as good as Cousins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 4 hours ago, Special K said: Calvin Ridley just got 4 years/ 92 Million, so 30 million per year isn’t a stretch for JJ. Not only is it not a stretch, but he’s going to be closer to $40 million than $30 million AAV. If he signs a 5 year deal, I’m guessing its around $185 million. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 25 minutes ago, mrags said: He’s the best WR in football. I’m pretty sure they’ll do alright. Along with just about any QB they find that will likely be just as good as Cousins. so Zack Wilson, Mack Jones,or Josh Rosen are as good as Cousins?? You said they should raft a rookie QB instead, not me. This was your plan! So pairing JJ with Zack Wilson, or Mack Jones or Josh Rosen would have resulted in just as good of results you're saying?? Interesting! Your idea is great as long as they draft another Josh Allen or Joe Burrow, but the problem is for every Allen and Burrow, there are about 5 Zak Wilsons drafted. Edited March 14 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: so Zack Wilson, Mack Jones,or Josh Rosen are as good as Cousins?? You said they should raft a rookie QB instead, not me. This was your plan! So pairing JJ with Zack Wilson, or Mack Jones or Josh Rosen would have resulted in just as good of results you're saying?? Interesting! Your idea is great as long as they draft another Josh Allen or Joe Burrow, but the problem is for every Allen and Burrow, there are about 5 Zak Wilsons drafted. Pretty sure we’re talking about the same Kirk Cousins here. He’s nothing special. They’ll be just fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 5 minutes ago, mrags said: Pretty sure we’re talking about the same Kirk Cousins here. He’s nothing special. They’ll be just fine Yeah the same Kirk Cousins who signed a 4 year $180 mil contract. I guess I must have missed when Rosen and Zach Wilson signed similar deals. While I agree Cousins isn't anything special he's still light years better than guys like Zack Wilson, Mack Jones or Josh Rosen and drafting a new QB leaving you with a good chance of getting someone just like them and then a team that in another 3 years will be drafting his replacement. So the Vikes would be just fine with JJ and Zach Wilson at QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 7 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Yeah the same Kirk Cousins who signed a 4 year $180 mil contract. I guess I must have missed when Rosen and Zach Wilson signed similar deals. While I agree Cousins isn't anything special he's still light years better than guys like Zack Wilson, Mack Jones or Josh Rosen and drafting a new QB leaving you with a good chance of getting someone just like them and then a team that in another 3 years will be drafting his replacement. So the Vikes would be just fine with JJ and Zach Wilson at QB? The Viles won’t be fine with Zach Wilson which is why they won’t be starting him. to answer your question, no, of course JJ won’t be as good with someone like Wilson as he is with Cousins. That’s kind of besides the point isn’t it. They decided to move on from Cousins and find his replacement because he wasn’t good enough. And they felt it wasn’t in their best interest to sign him to 45m a year. Still doesn’t mean they won’t find better than either him or Wilson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 We didn't trade away Jefferson. We traded away a draft pick. If we'd been at that draft slot the draft could easily have gone differently. Someone could have traded ahead of us for Jefferson. There's no way to know. There was never anything to feel bad about. Wistful, maybe. Both sides won. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 38 minutes ago, mrags said: Pretty sure we’re talking about the same Kirk Cousins here. He’s nothing special. They’ll be just fine Cousins is absolutely special. Not elite. But probably top ten. He's special. They could come out of this looking just awful. But they made their bed by giving him that awful contract they originally made with him. 1 hour ago, mrags said: He’s the best WR in football. I’m pretty sure they’ll do alright. Along with just about any QB they find that will likely be just as good as Cousins. So having the best receiver in football means you'll be alright? It really doesn't. Let me tell you a story about a guy named Calvin Johnson ... Edited March 14 by Thurman#1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 24 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Cousins is absolutely special. Not elite. But probably top ten. He's special. They could come out of this looking just awful. But they made their bed by giving him that awful contract they originally made with him. So having the best receiver in football means you'll be alright? It really doesn't. Let me tell you a story about a guy named Calvin Johnson ... Terrible argument as CJ was still the best receiver in football hands down. And made his very good QB look even better. the argument wasn’t how the team will perform as a whole? It was how to keep the best WR in football in the highest paid non QB contract in the history of the league. Because that’s what he’s asking for. They already made their bed by not renewing Cousins, who will not only be 36 at the start of the league year, but also coming off a season ending injury that will likely effect him moving forward. They made the right choice. And I’m a fan of Cousins btw. But he’s not special. He’s definitely not top 10. the guaranteed guys that are better Mahomes Allen Burrow Gabbert Jackson Prescott Hurts Lawrence I’d argue that the Following are better or definitely have much more upside: Stafford Stroud Tua Purdy Mayfield then there’s guys like Rodgers who is clearly better but coming off the exact same injury. Don’t forget guys in the draft that are clearly going to be better according to all the professionals like Williams Maye Daniels id put Cousins at his age, and coming off his injury right between 15-20 somewhere on that list. About average in the league. And he may be worth the kind of money he signed for in Atlanta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 6 hours ago, Artem Lipatov said: I think experienced WR Diggs was a huge factor young Allen bacame superstar QB. I doubt rookie Jefferson would help to develop Allen 4 years ago The other point here is the Bills could have just as likely drafted Jalen Raegor. Yeah Jefferson turned out to be a star, but it’s not like Diggs has sucked for years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Chances are, whomever we picked at whatever draft spot, we would have picked the wrong guy.........yeah, i said it. Sorry, not sorry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 On 3/13/2024 at 3:56 PM, DJB said: I love Diggs he’s been fantastic for us. But I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a little bitter about how we essentially traded the best WR in the NFL who is considerably younger than Diggs as well. The thought of Josh with an elite young WR is so tantalizing. But I’m no longer bitter . Why? Because Jefferson wants more than $30 million per year . That’s insane money and he’s not 10+ million dollars worth more than Stef. lol, he absolutely is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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