Bruffalo Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think he was most fine. I think he was mostly bad. Not liability awful, but he is a backup and played like it. I don't have any stats on hand to back it up, but it felt like he got better after the CB room stabilized and Douglas was brought in. Maybe wishful thinking on my part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think he was most fine. I think he was mostly bad. Not liability awful, but he is a backup and played like it. Honestly Rapp is the only questionable mark on an otherwise stellar free agency thus far. Not a huge fan of Rapp but I know there are still a plethora of safeties to be had and Beane will work his magic doing his bargain basement shopping for one or two. It’s a position I actually trust our FO and coaches on and we don’t need to overpay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 (edited) With the signing of Morrow, the team breakdown now looks as follows (not including futures/reserve players Total current players = Offense 17 of 23 players (roster allocation to the position from 2023 in (x)). QB (2) - current 2: Allen & Trubisky RB/FB (4) - current 2: Cook & Gilliam TE (3) - current 3: Kincaid, Knox, Morris WR (5) - current 3: Diggs, Shakir, & Shorter Oline (9) - current 7: Brown, Dawkins, McGovern, Torrence, Edwards, Anderson & Van Denmark (Doyle still in the mix) Defense 18 of 25 players Dline (10) - Current 6 - Jones, Oliver, Rousseau, Miller, Jonathan, & Epenesa (Cline and Ankou also in the mix) LBs (5) - current 5 - Milano, Benard, Williams, Morrow, & Spector CB (6) - current 4 - Johnson, Douglas, Benford, & Elam S (4) - Current 3 - Rapp, Hamlin, & Lewis (CB) Specialists 4 of 3 slots - Bass (PK), Ferguson (LS), Martin (P) & Haack (P) - one of Haack or Martin aren't going to make the team. Looks like there are 13 jobs still available - 2 RB, 2 WR, 2 OL, 4 DL, 2 CB & 1 S. My guess is 6-7 of these jobs will go to draft picks (WR, S, CB, OL, RB, 2DL?). Still hopeful Ty Johnson returns at RB. Edited March 13 by GASabresIUFan 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 37 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: With the signing of Morrow, the team breakdown now looks as follows (not including futures/reserve players Total current players = Offense 17 of 23 players (roster allocation to the position from 2023 in (x)). QB (2) - current 2: Allen & Trubisky RB/FB (4) - current 2: Cook & Gilliam TE (3) - current 3: Kincaid, Knox, Morris WR (5) - current 3: Diggs, Shakir, & Shorter Oline (9) - current 7: Brown, Dawkins, McGovern, Torrence, Edwards, Anderson & Van Denmark (Doyle still in the mix) Defense 18 of 25 players Dline (10) - Current 6 - Jones, Oliver, Rousseau, Miller, Jonathan, & Epenesa (Cline and Ankou also in the mix) LBs (5) - current 5 - Milano, Benard, Williams, Morrow, & Spector CB (6) - current 4 - Johnson, Douglas, Benford, & Elam S (4) - Current 3 - Rapp, Hamlin, & Lewis (CB) Specialists 4 of 3 slots - Bass (PK), Ferguson (LS), Martin (P) & Haack (P) - one of Haack or Martin aren't going to make the team. Looks like there are 13 jobs still available - 2 RB, 2 WR, 2 OL, 4 DL, 2 CB & 1 S. My guess is 6-7 of these jobs will go to draft picks (WR, S, CB, OL, RB, 2DL?). Still hopefully Ty Johnson returns at RB. Appreciate the write up! Beane isn’t done. They’ll like be adding 2-3 more FA level players to compete IMO. 11 picks could definitely end up being 6-7 guys, possibly more. This year could be a “fish with dynamite” draft. And we may count on (semi) house hold names such as Eli Ankou to make the roster (ala Kingsley Jonathan). The reality is they can no longer fill in the back end of the roster with guys via FA at a few mil a pop (i.e. Matekavich, Neal, etc) and will have to settle with youngins off the street or roll with late picks. it’s the way of the world when you pay elite money to your top players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Appreciate the write up! Beane isn’t done. They’ll like be adding 2-3 more FA level players to compete IMO. 11 picks could definitely end up being 6-7 guys, possibly more. This year could be a “fish with dynamite” draft. And we may count on (semi) house hold names such as Eli Ankou to make the roster (ala Kingsley Jonathan). The reality is they can no longer fill in the back end of the roster with guys via FA at a few mil a pop (i.e. Matekavich, Neal, etc) and will have to settle with youngins off the street or roll with late picks. it’s the way of the world when you pay elite money to your top players. I think that's a good thing. This roster needed to get younger and cheaper. It also needed player who weren't mostly special teams specialists like Neal & Matakevich. I also think we needed youth on the field to develop properly long-term. Giving snaps to the Matakevich's of the world doesn't help Ankou or Cline or Spector get any better IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce200 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Terry Pegula and Beane have been successful putting a good team on the field the last few 3 or 4 years. Maybe I should trust the process and maybe they have a plan in place but truthfully I think next year is going to be a long year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Wow. Great job by Beane! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, GASabresIUFan said: With the signing of Morrow, the team breakdown now looks as follows (not including futures/reserve players Total current players = Offense 17 of 23 players (roster allocation to the position from 2023 in (x)). QB (2) - current 2: Allen & Trubisky RB/FB (4) - current 2: Cook & Gilliam TE (3) - current 3: Kincaid, Knox, Morris WR (5) - current 3: Diggs, Shakir, & Shorter Oline (9) - current 7: Brown, Dawkins, McGovern, Torrence, Edwards, Anderson & Van Denmark (Doyle still in the mix) Defense 18 of 25 players Dline (10) - Current 6 - Jones, Oliver, Rousseau, Miller, Jonathan, & Epenesa (Cline and Ankou also in the mix) LBs (5) - current 5 - Milano, Benard, Williams, Morrow, & Spector CB (6) - current 4 - Johnson, Douglas, Benford, & Elam S (4) - Current 3 - Rapp, Hamlin, & Lewis (CB) Specialists 4 of 3 slots - Bass (PK), Ferguson (LS), Martin (P) & Haack (P) - one of Haack or Martin aren't going to make the team. Looks like there are 13 jobs still available - 2 RB, 2 WR, 2 OL, 4 DL, 2 CB & 1 S. My guess is 6-7 of these jobs will go to draft picks (WR, S, CB, OL, RB, 2DL?). Still hopeful Ty Johnson returns at RB. Man I hope with 11 picks it’s more than 7 that stay on the 53. Unless you think 4 of the picks will be used to trade up. I think this is the year all of our picks actually make the roster and aren’t wasted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 24 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said: Man I hope with 11 picks it’s more than 7 that stay on the 53. Unless you think 4 of the picks will be used to trade up. I think this is the year all of our picks actually make the roster and aren’t wasted Given Beane’s draft history it’s doubtful he makes 11 picks. Even if he makes 11 picks, it’s going to be hard for all 11 to make the team. Even if they don’t make the team, odds favor the guys ending up on the practice squad. Don’t forget that in addition to the 39 guys I referenced there are another 18 guys on reserve/futures contracts. Now add the draftees plus some UDFAs and camp invites there will be 40-50 guys competing for those 13 jobs and 12 practice squad slots. Last season of our 6 draftees, 3 made the team, 1 ended up on IR and the 2 7th rd guys ended up on the practice squad. Both those guys were eventually claimed by other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Exactly last year 2 guys that should’ve made the roster were cut for lower level free agents and then they were picked up by other teams. I think Beane keeps all of his draft picks this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said: With the signing of Morrow, the team breakdown now looks as follows (not including futures/reserve players Total current players = Offense 17 of 23 players (roster allocation to the position from 2023 in (x)). QB (2) - current 2: Allen & Trubisky RB/FB (4) - current 2: Cook & Gilliam TE (3) - current 3: Kincaid, Knox, Morris WR (5) - current 3: Diggs, Shakir, & Shorter Oline (9) - current 7: Brown, Dawkins, McGovern, Torrence, Edwards, Anderson & Van Denmark (Doyle still in the mix) Defense 18 of 25 players Dline (10) - Current 6 - Jones, Oliver, Rousseau, Miller, Jonathan, & Epenesa (Cline and Ankou also in the mix) LBs (5) - current 5 - Milano, Benard, Williams, Morrow, & Spector CB (6) - current 4 - Johnson, Douglas, Benford, & Elam S (4) - Current 3 - Rapp, Hamlin, & Lewis (CB) Specialists 4 of 3 slots - Bass (PK), Ferguson (LS), Martin (P) & Haack (P) - one of Haack or Martin aren't going to make the team. Looks like there are 13 jobs still available - 2 RB, 2 WR, 2 OL, 4 DL, 2 CB & 1 S. My guess is 6-7 of these jobs will go to draft picks (WR, S, CB, OL, RB, 2DL?). Still hopeful Ty Johnson returns at RB. Beane has done a crazy amount of work the last 7 days getting the cap in order and filling a lot of roster spots. Phase 1 was getting cap in order. Phase 2 was re-building the roster depth. Phase 3 now dipping tie into free agency and seeing if we can land a WR still available. Same with safety and d-line. Some intriguing options still out there. Will also be interesting what Chargers do to get under the cap. We are in way better shape than I thought we’d be in 7 days ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said: seeing if we can land a WR still available. Don't expect any major money invested here. When guys like Mooney are getting $10+ a year, Beane is going to stay far far away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Still a lot of holes and very little money available to spend because of the cap. Particularly concerned about the d-line, but a long way to go until the first game is played and many more moves will happen before then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 9 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: Don't expect any major money invested here. When guys like Mooney are getting $10+ a year, Beane is going to stay far far away. No, but I think we are now in a position to go up to $10m on a 1 year deal for a marquise brown or curtis samuel if the market isn’t what they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 13 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: No, but I think we are now in a position to go up to $10m on a 1 year deal for a marquise brown or curtis samuel if the market isn’t what they want. Why is that even necessary? Why spend money on a retread WR when you can draft as good and possibly better player with your 28th pick in a deep WR draft for 1/3rd the price. The goal this off-season is to get younger and cheaper, but at WR it's also a goal to upgrade the talent. Adding an injury prone 600 yard receiver for $10 mill is a huge waste of resources, especially when that 2nd boundary position could be Josh's 6th most popular target behind Diggs, Kincaid, Shakir, Knox and Cook. Sorry, I just don't see the need for big $ FA help at WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 12 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: Why is that even necessary? Why spend money on a retread WR when you can draft as good and possibly better player with your 28th pick in a deep WR draft for 1/3rd the price. The goal this off-season is to get younger and cheaper, but at WR it's also a goal to upgrade the talent. Adding an injury prone 600 yard receiver for $10 mill is a huge waste of resources, especially when that 2nd boundary position could be Josh's 6th most popular target behind Diggs, Kincaid, Shakir, Knox and Cook. Sorry, I just don't see the need for big $ FA help at WR. Let’s stop surrounding Josh with the Trent Sherfield’s, Deonte Hardy’s of the world. 30 year old Diggs, Shakir, and a rookie WR ain’t enough and if anybody gets injured, it will be criminal spending another year with Josh throwing the ball to Sherfield level dudes trying to beat Mahomes in the playoffs. Brown and Samuel were both 1st round talents, are still in their primes, and have put up decent numbers with QB’s half as good as Josh. Edited March 13 by BuffaloRebound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, GASabresIUFan said: Don't expect any major money invested here. When guys like Mooney are getting $10+ a year, Beane is going to stay far far away. A few people here are saying this… You have only listed 3 WR’s… and one of those is Shorter …he didn’t play 1 down last year so we don’t know what we have with him… they need 3 more and some further experience across the room .. they won’t go with 4 rookies … Im still convinced Beane signs a guy in FA ..obviously price and quality may not be double digit levels like Mooney.. but hoping for the best out of what’s left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: A few people here are saying this… You have only listed 3 WR’s… and one of those is Shorter …he didn’t play 1 down last year so we don’t know what we have with him… they need 3 more and some further experience across the room .. they won’t go with 4 rookies … Im still convinced Beane signs a guy in FA ..obviously price and quality may not be double digit levels like Mooney.. but hoping for the best out of what’s left Why invest a 1st rd pick in a talented WR not to play him? That's what we'd be doing if we invest Big $ in a FA WR. Last season our No. 4 WR played 33.68% of the downs and the 5th WR 13.32%. On the other hand Diggs played 81.5%, Davis 83% and Shakir 52%. Kincaid also played 60%. Shakir and Kincaid will see they % increase next season. I'd argue that after Diggs, Kincaid is now the No. 2 receiver. KC's no. 1 receiver was a rookie drafted 55th. After his 900+ yards and Kelce's 900+ yards, their next best receiver was a journeyman pro with 460 yards. GB's Top 4 WRs and top 2 TES were all 1st and 2nd year players and that didn't hold them back. WR's and RBs are the most plug and play positions in the NFL. We have tons of experience in Diggs and Knox. Shakir is a 3rd year player. We really don't need some "veteran" to win. Draft a WR early and let him replace Davis. We have enough experience everywhere else. Save the money, we can afford the risk. Edited March 13 by GASabresIUFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 5 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: Why invest a 1st rd pick in a talented WR not to play him? That's what we'd be doing if we invest Big $ in a FA WR. Last season our No. 4 WR played 33.68% of the downs and the 5th WR 13.32%. On the other hand Diggs played 81.5%, Davis 83% and Shakir 52%. Kincaid also played 60%. Shakir and Kincaid will see they % increase next season. I'd argue that after Diggs, Kincaid is now the No. 2 receiver. KC's no. 1 receiver was a rookie drafted 55th. After his 900+ yards and Kelce's 900+ yards, their next best receiver was a journeyman pro with 460 yards. WR's and RBs are the most plug and play positions in the NFL. We have tons of experience in Diggs and Knox. Shakir is a 3rd year player. We really don't need some "veteran" to win. Draft a WR early and let him replace Davis. We have enough experience everywhere else. Save the money, we can afford the risk. The 1st Round pick will play the Davis role … so there is 83 percent of the plays …so how are you not playing him? Who have you got at the No 4 playing 34 percent of the plays ? A WR picked in the 4th/ 5th round ? Edited March 13 by Aussie Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: The 1st Round pick will play the Davis role … so there is 83 percent of the plays …so how are you not playing him? Who have you got at the No 4 playing 34 percent of the plays ? A WR picked in the 4th/ 5th round ? Shakir was a 5th rd pick. Davis a 4th. Puca Nacua was a 5th rd pick last year. So yes, why not? We paid nearly $5 mill to the vet no. 5 WR last season and received 15 catches for 150 yards for our efforts. Sherfield played 34% and only gave us 22 catches for 86 yards. I'd say he didn't earn his 1.7 million. My guess is Shorter gets us 3 times that number for 1/2 the money. Even high end FA WRs are also a 50/50 proposition at best. Last year ODJ was paid $15 million for caught 35 balls for 565 yards. Lazard was give a 4 year deal for $44 million and caught 23 for 311. JuJu was paid 8.6 for 29 catches & 260 yards. Out of the top 10 FAs that changed teams only 4 gave their teams any value. Thielen ($8.3) 103 for 1014 was the best, Slayton ($6) 50 for 770. Meyers ($11) 71 for 807 and Hopkins ($13) 75 for 1057. Harty was the 10th highest paid FA WR last season. The No 11 Parris Campbell ($4.7) caught 20 balls for 104 yards. A few weeks ago I researched how WRs drafted 20 -40 do their first year and they averaged about 700 yards as rookies. Give me the rookie to replace Davis, and I'm just fine with Shorter replacing Sherfield and another later pick or Hamler/Isabella replacing Harty. If you want to take a flyer on a cheap vet, I'd give Mecole Hardman a shot. Last I looked he has a couple of Super Bowl rings and caught the game winning catch this year. Edited March 13 by GASabresIUFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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