Playoff defense not just bad, next level awful

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

11 minutes ago, Governor said:

Yeah. It really is the scheme. It’s also undersized and when 1 guy goes down in a game, the entire defense collapses.

 

It takes McD 2-3 weeks to adjust his defense to injuries unlike the Chiefs that just adjust on the fly in the same game. That’s not acceptable when all of your team’s resources are being spent on that side of the ball.

I kind of empathize with him this year…if kc lost Bolton and chenal and tranquil all at once I don’t think they make it out of the first round. 
 

it is getting a bit ‘boy who cried wolf’-like though where people were giving him the injury excuse in years past when things weren’t quite this bad 

 

Edited January 29 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Brand J]

People are saying 10 rookies won’t make the roster, but with the amount of FAs and turnover the Bills are about to have, they’re gonna have to bite the bullet somewhere. Those young guys will need to play, just like when KC was starting six rookies or whatever it was last year. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

10 minutes ago, FireChans said:

This is a legitimately absurd criticism, and more evidence that this agenda has reached its zenith of inanity. That Pats team was averaging 27.2 PPG (good enough for top 6 in the league, certainly meh lmao) and they had 3 points and 2 turnovers until 4 minutes left in the third Q when the game was no longer a game (because they were down 30 points).

 

"They couldn't even hold them under 10" is an absolutely bananaland argument.  As if any team would care that they racked up some garbage time points.

 

Btw, the Pats had put up 21 on the Bills like 3 weeks prior.

 

Enjoy the crusade against McD that won't matter.

 

Okay, what do you have to say about the rest? You pick out one little thing where I am wrong. Meanwhile your entire premise is wrong. Even if the D played well against the Pats 15th ranked yardage defense (middle of the pack) who cares? The Bills offense had a perfect game that day. Get back to me when the Bills defense actually shows up in the divisional or championship round. You know, like how K.C.'s defense showed up today against Baltimore in only allowing 10 points, allowing the Chiefs offense to have a below average game and still win comfortably. 

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Okay, what do you have to say about the rest? You pick out one little thing where I am wrong. Meanwhile your entire premise is wrong. Even if the D played well against the Pats 15th ranked yardage defense (middle of the pack) who cares? The Bills offense had a perfect game that day. Get back to me when the Bills defense actually shows up in the divisional or championship round. You know, like how K.C.'s defense showed up today against Baltimore in only allowing 10 points, allowing the Chiefs offense to have a below average game and still win comfortably. 

Well see, when OUR defense shuts down the Ravens in the playoffs, it doesn't count, or something.  When we talk about the defensive performance against the Pats, we base it on allowing points, but rank their offensive performance on the year by their yardage, because that makes total sense.

 

Its very tiresome.  There are legitimate criticisms against the defense in the playoffs in certain games. You don't need to contort yourself to pretend there are more.

Edited January 29 by FireChans

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Well see, when OUR defense shuts down the Ravens in the playoffs, it doesn't count, or something.  When we talk about the defensive performance against the Pats, we base it on allowing points, but rank their offensive performance on the year by their yardage, because that makes total sense.

 

Its very tiresome.  There are legitimate criticisms against the defense in the playoffs in certain games. You don't need to contort yourself to pretend there are more.

 

Certain games being like the most important games? The divisional and championship games? Let's not forget it was you who asked the OP why not include all playoff games? 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Certain games being like the most important games? The divisional and championship games? Let's not forget it was you who asked the OP why not include all playoff games? 

Every playoff game is equally important because they are all single elimination.

 

And yeah, if you want to make a point about the defense being horrible in the "playoffs" as a whole (which is what the topic title says) then you should probably include all of the playoff games, not just the ones we lost.

 

It would be like saying "the defense is terrible in division games" and only including the division games we lost.  That's silly.

[Buffalo03]

10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I think we knew the problem after 13 seconds.

 

The Bills lack a true game changer on defense.

 

The Chiefs have one in Chris Jones........and despite the Bills dominating the Chiefs D for most of that game last Sunday Jones came up big in a big moment.    

 

It's why I wouldn't be entirely shocked if the Bills took a swing at signing Danielle Hunter in UFA if he gets there.    Despite their cap issues.

 

They could bring him in with a $2M cap hit and push his big hits down the road sorta' like they did with Von.

 

I'm not predicting it but if they are desperate to close the deal it wouldn't surprise me.

 

I don't see this defense taking a big step without their version of TJ Watt, Aaron Donald or Chris Jones.    Ed Oliver isn't going to be that guy, IMO.

I've said for a while, this Defense desperately needs a Miles Garrett, TJ Watt or Nick Bosa type player. We haven't had that since Mario

Edited January 29 by Buffalo03

[Mikie2times]

Just now, FireChans said:

Every playoff game is equally important because they are all single elimination.

 

And yeah, if you want to make a point about the defense being horrible in the "playoffs" as a whole (which is what the topic title says) then you should probably include all of the playoff games, not just the ones we lost.

 

It would be like saying "the defense is terrible in division games" and only including the division games we lost.  That's silly.

I actually appreciated you making that point. I had forget how the Colts game actually fit into this sample. I also mistitled it as opposed to leaving teams out intentionally. I tried to capture how these teams that killed us did against other teams. So we could see EPA relative to us and them. In the case of most the other games those teams didn't play anybody else. So I kept the analysis on just the teams that booted us to keep it uniform. Not to mention, I don't care about the Patriots, Steelers, or Thompson led Dolphins. If you have eyes you know we don't struggle against those teams. Those are not the teams preventing us from getting further. So you look at the teams that are doing that. Not exactly rocket science.  

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Every playoff game is equally important because they are all single elimination.

 

And yeah, if you want to make a point about the defense being horrible in the "playoffs" as a whole (which is what the topic title says) then you should probably include all of the playoff games, not just the ones we lost.

 

It would be like saying "the defense is terrible in division games" and only including the division games we lost.  That's silly.

 

Even if we include all the games as you are wishing, what do we end up with? I'm guessing we still end up with a defense that still underperforms it's regular season numbers and an offense that equals it's regular season numbers. And no, I have not done fact checking on that but that is just what my memory and I eyeballs can recall. 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

The Ravens forced 6 punts from the Chiefs today. 

 

The Bills DEF has forced 4 punts from the Chiefs.

 

In THREE playoff games COMBINED. 

 

The defense isn't just "next level awful" we're at historical levels of choking in the playoffs. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

31 minutes ago, FireChans said:

This is a legitimately absurd criticism, and more evidence that this agenda has reached its zenith of inanity. That Pats team was averaging 27.2 PPG (good enough for top 6 in the league, certainly meh lmao) and they had 3 points and 2 turnovers until 4 minutes left in the third Q when the game was no longer a game (because they were down 30 points).

 

"They couldn't even hold them under 10" is an absolutely bananaland argument.  As if any team would care that they racked up some garbage time points.

 

Btw, the Pats had put up 21 on the Bills like 3 weeks prior.

 

Enjoy the crusade against McD that won't matter.

People def downplay the wins I have noticed haha that pats team was pretty good…

my favorite recent example of this was people talkin up the Steelers offense all week leading up to our game then after we win mason rudolph got demoted back to ‘just a third stringer’ 😂. 
 

Chiefs are the most clutch team I’ve ever seen it’s legitimately crazy.  Mvs can’t catch all year then he makes multiple huge catches in back to back playoff games.  They always make the big play when it matters regardless of opponent.  I don’t think good afc teams should be gutting their franchise losing close games to the chiefs in the playoffs 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Even if we include all the games as you are wishing, what do we end up with? I'm guessing we still end up with a defense that still underperforms it's regular season numbers and an offense that equals it's regular season numbers. And no, I have not done fact checking on that but that is just what my memory and I eyeballs can recall. 

I'm not interested in what you guess. You guessed the defense didn't have a good game against the Pats 20 minutes ago.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

I'm not interested in what you guess. You guessed the defense didn't have a good game against the Pats 20 minutes ago.

 

I'll give it to you that is funny. 

I'm just happy @Mikie2times has finally come around to this playoff defense sucks take. Not sure why it took him so long though. 

[FireChans]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

People def downplay the wins I have noticed haha that pats team was pretty good…

my favorite recent example of this was people talkin up the Steelers offense all week leading up to our game then after we win mason rudolph got demoted back to ‘just a third stringer’ 😂. 
 

Chiefs are the most clutch team I’ve ever seen it’s legitimately crazy.  Mvs can’t catch all year then he makes multiple huge catches in back to back playoff games.  They always make the big play when it matters regardless of opponent.  I don’t think good afc teams should be gutting their franchise losing close games to the chiefs in the playoffs 

Mason Rudolph had 3 TD's in 3 games, compared to Pickett's 7 TD's in 12 games, and had a passer rating of 118 compared to Pickett's 81.4, and I saw folks say the Steelers game didn't count because they "didn't have their QB," even though Pickett was healthy and Tomlin wanted to roll with Rudolph anyway.

 

It's actually comical.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, FireChans said:

Mason Rudolph had 3 TD's in 3 games, compared to Pickett's 7 TD's in 12 games, and had a passer rating of 118 compared to Pickett's 81.4, and I saw folks say the Steelers game didn't count because they "didn't have their QB," even though Pickett was healthy and Tomlin wanted to roll with Rudolph anyway.

 

It's actually comical.

Rudolph won that job hands down…Pickett was healthy and benched.  
 

 

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

I'll give it to you that is funny. 

I'm just happy @Mikie2times has finally come around to this playoff defense sucks take. Not sure why it took him so long though. 

I like what Josh is doing the last half of the year. I think the offense has played poorly in some of these instances, but it's more of a contrarian style view to what the obvious reason is. More than anything, I just feel no hope with McD. When you post #1 or #2 defenses, play a team multiple times. I mean when can we enter a game vs KC or Cinci and ever be thinking it will be different? What could possibly make somebody feel that way at this point.  I Hate our scheme. Any variation of the Tampa 2, fast, smaller, zone, can go bleepity bleep. It folds like a cheap deck against good teams.  

[HappyDays]

16 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Well see, when OUR defense shuts down the Ravens in the playoffs, it doesn't count, or something.

 

You're just going to play dumb on this and expect people to take you seriously?

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Mason Rudolph had 3 TD's in 3 games, compared to Pickett's 7 TD's in 12 games, and had a passer rating of 118 compared to Pickett's 81.4, and I saw folks say the Steelers game didn't count because they "didn't have their QB," even though Pickett was healthy and Tomlin wanted to roll with Rudolph anyway.

 

It's actually comical.

 

Come on Chan's do you think Rudolph is a good QB? Be honest now. It didn't matter if they had Trubitzky, Pickett or Rudolph. Steelers offense is below average. Their defense is their strength and the Bills offense handled them as they should. The Bills defense held the Steelers offense to their averages. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Come on Chan's do you think Rudolph is a good QB? Be honest now. It didn't matter if they had Trubitzky, Pickett or Rudolph. Steelers offense is below average. Their defense is their strength and the Bills offense handled them as they should. The Bills defense held the Steelers offense to their averages. 

Rudolph was light years beyond trubisky and Pickett…it’s not even remotely close.  Their offense was above average with Rudolph which was the only reason they found themselves in the playoffs.  Dropped 34 on the bengals and 30 on the Seahawks who were both fighting for their playoff lives

 

this is the kind of revisionist history about bills wins that I’m talking about lol 

Edited January 29 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[HappyDays]

The obvious counterpoint to FireChans bringing up other games against weaker opponents is that the playoffs are single elimination. So the only thing that ultimately matters is what you do in your final game. We all know the defense can stop the Mason Rudolphs and Skylar Thompsons of the NFL. I thought the goal was to win a Super Bowl. Until we can at least slow down the Joe Burrows and Pat Mahomes of the NFL, we aren't coming close to a Super Bowl win.

 

Hopefully one more playoff run that ends with an abysmal defensive performance will be enough to convince the absent billionaire who owns our team that it's time for a change at the top. If we're heading into Allen's age 29 season with McDermott still in charge coming off a 6th consecutive disappointing playoff exit, I will be convinced that the Allen era will end without a single Lombardi. Which is really just depressing to consider.