Dr.Sack Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 TD Ratio = (TDs / TOs) * Games Played Win Ratio = Wins / Games Played TD/TO Ratio to Win Ratio That is the true mark of a champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 13 minutes ago, FireChans said: I think he's at least a top 3 QB and a top 1A/1B QB when he's on his game. Ok “when he’s on his game” doesn’t really answer the question though. So in a 17 game season averaging out the highs and lows, where do you rank him roughly? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: Ok “when he’s on his game” doesn’t really answer the question though. So in a 17 game season averaging out the highs and lows, where do you rank him roughly? 17 minutes ago, FireChans said: I think he's at least a top 3 QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: Sorry misunderstood that. Got it. You seem to be super tough on him. Like if I didn’t know better and I were just reading your posts on him, I would think you have him as a mediocre QB Edited November 30, 2023 by BillsFan130 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 So glad I put this d-bag on ignore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said: Sorry misunderstood that. Got it. You seem to be super tough on him. Like if I didn’t know better and I were just reading your posts on him, I would think you have him as a mediocre QB I'm tough on him for lots of reasons. 1. Because he signed a quarter of a billion dollar contract and that comes with level of expectations (i.e. not getting inexplicably outplayed by Zach Wilson and Mac Jones) 2. If he was a bit more consistent week to week and cleaned up a little more of the turnovers, he might just be the undisputed best in the league I'm very happy Josh Allen is our QB. I think he's great. I want him to be the best, just like I want every Bills player to be the best player ever. Because I want to see them win a Superbowl. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 minute ago, FireChans said: I'm tough on him for lots of reasons. 1. Because he signed a quarter of a billion dollar contract and that comes with level of expectations (i.e. not getting inexplicably outplayed by Zach Wilson and Mac Jones) 2. If he was a bit more consistent week to week and cleaned up a little more of the turnovers, he might just be the undisputed best in the league I'm very happy Josh Allen is our QB. I think he's great. I want him to be the best, just like I want every Bills player to be the best player ever. Because I want to see them win a Superbowl. That’s fair to a certain degree But I remember talking to you about him during the eagles game and you were roasting him off one bad pass lol. The guy was the best player in the NFL that week. That’s why I questioned you to where you have him ranked cause even when he’s elite (like on Sunday), you were still blasting him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, FireChans said: I'm tough on him for lots of reasons. 1. Because he signed a quarter of a billion dollar contract and that comes with level of expectations (i.e. not getting inexplicably outplayed by Zach Wilson and Mac Jones) 2. If he was a bit more consistent week to week and cleaned up a little more of the turnovers, he might just be the undisputed best in the league I'm very happy Josh Allen is our QB. I think he's great. I want him to be the best, just like I want every Bills player to be the best player ever. Because I want to see them win a Superbowl. It's not inexplicable Wilson will 'outplay' a couple good QBs because their defense is so solid, Chiefs game another example And getting outplayed by Mac Jones the way Allen got outplayed by Mac Jones is an indictment of your defense not your offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: It's not inexplicable Wilson will 'outplay' a couple good QBs because their defense is so solid, Chiefs game another example And getting outplayed by Mac Jones the way Allen got outplayed by Mac Jones is an indictment of your defense not your offense I don't think those two arguments are congruent. The NE defense is very bad. 7 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: That’s fair to a certain degree But I remember talking to you about him during the eagles game and you were roasting him off one bad pass lol. The guy was the best player in the NFL that week. That’s why I questioned you to where you have him ranked cause even when he’s elite (like on Sunday), you were still blasting him I think that bad pass was a critical play. The defense couldn't do a thing. A pick on our own 30 was basically an extra 7 points for the Iggles. As bad as the defense was in that second half, I think the Bills win that game if Josh doesn't throw that pick tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 minute ago, FireChans said: I don't think those two arguments are congruent. The NE defense is very bad. I think that bad pass was a critical play. The defense couldn't do a thing. A pick on our own 30 was basically an extra 7 points for the Iggles. As bad as the defense was in that second half, I think the Bills win that game if Josh doesn't throw that pick tbh. Mac Jones is worse And no, a pick on your own 30 is not an automatic 7points for the other team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: It's not inexplicable Wilson will 'outplay' a couple good QBs because their defense is so solid, Chiefs game another example And getting outplayed by Mac Jones the way Allen got outplayed by Mac Jones is an indictment of your defense not your offense Buffalo is 14-18 and KC is 30-15 when defenses score over 20 points since both QB’s first years. What exactly do you want the defense to be held to? More than 20 and we lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: Buffalo is 14-18 and KC is 30-15 when defenses score over 20 points since both QB’s first years. What exactly do you want the defense to be held to? More than 20 and we lose. Can we do last 3 years for everything's sake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Mac Jones is worse And no, a pick on your own 30 is not an automatic 7points for the other team It was the way our defense was playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Just now, GoBills808 said: Can we do last 3 years for everything's sake It’s post year one for both. If you think it will change that much if we exclude a playoff season in 2019 I encourage you to run the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, FireChans said: I don't think those two arguments are congruent. The NE defense is very bad. I think that bad pass was a critical play. The defense couldn't do a thing. A pick on our own 30 was basically an extra 7 points for the Iggles. As bad as the defense was in that second half, I think the Bills win that game if Josh doesn't throw that pick tbh. Sure, we probably win the game if Josh doesn't throw the INT. We also win the game if Bass didn't miss either one of the two field goals. We also win the game if the OT pass was connected on ( I do not want to go into who is at fault, I don't care and that is discussed everywhere else.) We also win the game if Cook didn't drop a pass in the bucket for a sure TD. We also win the game if the defense made a stop at the end instead of allowing Philly an easy march down the field to FG range. Probably could change quite a few other plays that would give us a win too. I'll even go so far to say that we might win the game if the refs called a fair game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Can we do last 3 years for everything's sake Record when Bills allow 20+ 2020 7-3 2021 3-4 2022 6-3 2023 1-6 Just now, Scott7975 said: Sure, we probably win the game if Josh doesn't throw the INT. We also win the game if Bass didn't miss either one of the two field goals. We also win the game if the OT pass was connected on ( I do not want to go into who is at fault, I don't care and that is discussed everywhere else.) We also win the game if Cook didn't drop a pass in the bucket for a sure TD. We also win the game if the defense made a stop at the end instead of allowing Philly an easy march down the field to FG range. Probably could change quite a few other plays that would give us a win too. I'll even go so far to say that we might win the game if the refs called a fair game. Josh is paid $268M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: It’s post year one for both. If you think it will change that much if we exclude a playoff season in 2019 I encourage you to run the numbers. I'd be more interested in how those stack up to league averages tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Josh is paid $268M. So what? Does that mean he can't make a mistake and everyone else can? I assure you that Mahomes makes mistakes too. As does every other QB in the league. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 Just now, Scott7975 said: So what? Does that mean he can't make a mistake and everyone else can? I assure you that Mahomes makes mistakes too. As does every other QB in the league. It means that my expectations are higher for him to not throw a back-breaking pick than for Tyler Bass not getting a kick blocked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Just now, Scott7975 said: So what? Does that mean he can't make a mistake and everyone else can? I assure you that Mahomes makes mistakes too. As does every other QB in the league. Ask him why Hurts is paid more and turned the ball over more in that game😂😂 Just now, FireChans said: It means that my expectations are higher for him to not throw a back-breaking pick than for Tyler Bass not getting a kick blocked. Allen is 9th highest paid QB Bass is either 4th or 5th highest paid kicker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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