Mass Shooting in Lewiston Maine

[Wacka]

Missed on the same day as Maine-3 Buffalo   sewer dept. workers shot on the 190near the Niagara St. exit. One dead and two still in hospital.  No leads announced yet.  I mentioned it above.

[Warcodered]

23 hours ago, T&C said:

Nobody blames the cars, bombs, poisons, knives, etc. though. Wonder why?

As we all know there are very little regulations for the purchase and ownership of cars, bombs, and poison. 🙄

[Tommy Callahan]

27 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

As we all know there are very little regulations for the purchase and ownership of cars, bombs, and poison. 🙄

The regulation on cars is to register them for public roads.

 

got cleaning supplies at home?  if so you have the other two covered.

 

 

I dont know of any of them involving an FBI background/NICKS check.

 

 

 

 

[Warcodered]

8 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

The regulation on cars is to register them for public roads.

 

got cleaning supplies at home?  if so you have the other two covered.

 

 

I dont know of any of them involving an FBI background/NICKS check.

 

 

 

 

You also have to pass a minimum competency test to drive one, and there's an entire subsection of policing that monitors to make sure people use them in a safe manner.

 

Go ahead buy enough of them to do much of anything or look up how to actually do that and we'll see if anything interesting happens.

Edited October 30, 2023 by Warcodered

[Tommy Callahan]

Just now, Warcodered said:

You also have to pass a minimum competency test to drive one, and there's an entire subsection of policing that monitors to make sure people use them in a safe manner.

 

Go ahead buy enough of them to do much of anything and we'll see if anything interesting happens.

Yes.  To drive one.

Entire departments, like the ATF?  

 

 

 

On that We totally agree then I 100% support permitting for CC outside of the house that requires both legal and range aspects. to go along with the background part.

And like licenses, to be good in any state.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Tommy Callahan said:

Yes.  To drive one.

Entire departments, like the ATF?  

 

 

 

On that We totally agree then I 100% support permitting for CC outside of the house that requires both legal and range aspects. to go along with the background part.

And like licenses, to be good in any state.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was more meaning like there's patrol cops in cities monitoring traffic and highway patrol, essentially at times their main job is enforcing traffic laws.

 

We definitely agree on at least that much, and that much is already step up.

[Tommy Callahan]

5 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I was more meaning like there's patrol cops in cities monitoring traffic and highway patrol, essentially at times their main job is enforcing traffic laws.

 

We definitely agree on at least that much, and that much is already step up.

I wonder if the Defund the police BS cut gang taskforce funding or something.

 

between that and Gun possession not being charged, (because no one got hurt, its considered victimless), doesn't fit the bail reform narrative.  Cities are the wild west every damn weekend.

 

When "We" took care of the violent Italian gangs back in the day, we didn't ban guns to do it. we found ways to take down the gangs.  

 

Now we coddle the gangs, give excuses for their behaviors, and talk of taking legal citizens guns.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/30/maine-gunmans-family-reached-out-to-sheriff-five-months-before-shootings

 

Again, this isn't a gun issue. This could have been prevented. LEO f'ed up again.

[B-Man]

17 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/30/maine-gunmans-family-reached-out-to-sheriff-five-months-before-shootings

 

Again, this isn't a gun issue. This could have been prevented. LEO f'ed up again.

 

 

Thats why you no longer see the 'usual suspects' spouting the narrative in this thread any longer.

 

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[B-Man]

 

 

 

SURE, BUT THEN THERE WOULD BE NO VICTIMS FOR THE LEFT TO DANCE IN THEIR BLOOD WHILE TRYING TO CONVINCE US TO TO GIVE UP OUR GUNS: 

 

 Army Warned That Maine Gunman ‘Should Not Have a Weapon,’ Behaved ‘Erratically’ Months Before Shooting.

 

 

https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/10/army-warned-that-maine-gunman-should-not-have-a-weapon-behaved-erratically-months-before-shooting/

 

 

 

 

This country doesn’t have a gun problem. It has a mental health problem. Particularly on the left.

 

 

 

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[ChiGoose]

14 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

This country doesn’t have a gun problem. It has a mental health problem. Particularly on the left.

 

 

 

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I do find it interesting that most conservative reactions to gun violence basically boils down to: Americans are inferior people with severe mental issues not seen in peer nations. 

 

Blame America much?

[Tommy Callahan]

2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

 

I do find it interesting that most conservative reactions to gun violence basically boils down to: Americans are inferior people with severe mental issues not seen in peer nations. 

 

Blame America much?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_antidepressant_consumption

 

That was before the plandemic made it even worse.

 

that link shows our peer nations are on par with us.

 

 

 

 

[Wacka]

The Buffalo shooting- they found the stolen vehicle used, Police are looking over every square inch for prints, DNA, etc.

[ChiGoose]

6 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_antidepressant_consumption

 

That was before the plandemic made it even worse.

 

that link shows our peer nations are on par with us.

 

 

 

 

So if they have the same rates of mental illness but not the same rates of gun violence, then we can all agree that mental illness isn’t the cause of our gun violence epidemic. 
 

Glad that we agree that it’s not a mental illness issue.

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

So if they have the same rates of mental illness but not the same rates of gun violence, then we can all agree that mental illness isn’t the cause of our gun violence epidemic. 
 

Glad that we agree that it’s not a mental illness issue.

Since you don't understand cause and effect I will simplify the numbers for you. 99.9% of guns are not used improperly each year, which means guns are not a problem. Most other civilized countries do jail people who are violent, which keeps violent people off the streets, so therefore they can't commit their violence repeatedly. My question though is why are you only comparing us to countries that are 80%+ White or Asian, how racist are you?

[ChiGoose]

5 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Since you don't understand cause and effect I will simplify the numbers for you. 99.9% of guns are not used improperly each year, which means guns are not a problem. Most other civilized countries do jail people who are violent, which keeps violent people off the streets, so therefore they can't commit their violence repeatedly. My question though is why are you only comparing us to countries that are 80%+ White or Asian, how racist are you?

It’s pretty incredible to start with demeaning me for not understanding cause and effect, only to follow with  completely misunderstanding cause and effect, and then claiming that I’m racist because I didn’t claim that gun violence was a racial thing.

 

Just an all around fantastic job at completely missing the point in favor of baseless opinions devoid of any facts. 
 

If you really wanted to do a root cause analysis, you start with eliminating variables. It seems we can all agree at this point to eliminate mental illness since it’s equally common in the US as our peer nations while the US has a disproportionate rate of gun violence.
 

Now while you did mention that most civilized nations jail dangerous people, no nation jails a larger portion of its population than the US. Not even Communist China. So I have to take it that the *lack* of jailing people isn’t the issue here. If jailing people corresponded to reducing gun violence, we would have the least gun violence of any country on the planet. We don’t, so that clearly not the issue. 
 

You then raised racial issues but failed to provide any evidence or support for your claim, so it’s impossible to evaluate. I guess you wanted to find a way to blame some racial group without actually spelling it out and instead projected your shame on me by calling me racist. Might be a good idea to work through that one on your own or with a professional. 
 

My question is: if the prevalence of firearms are not the issue, then what does it look like when you compare per capita gun ownership against per capita gun violence?

[ExiledInIllinois]

[Tommy Callahan]

5 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Right from everytown to your post.  

[B-Man]

21 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

 

I do find it interesting that most conservative reactions to gun violence basically boils down to: Americans are inferior people with severe mental issues not seen in peer nations. 

 

Blame America much?

 

 

I find it interesting that you are silly enough to post that laughable misinterpretation of "conservative thought"

 

Interesting, but certainly not surprising. . . . . . . . . . it's what you do.

 

 

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[ChiGoose]

14 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

I find it interesting that you are silly enough to post that laughable misinterpretation of "conservative thought"

 

Interesting, but certainly not surprising. . . . . . . . . . it's what you do.

 

 

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Conservatives routinely blame gun violence on mental illness. 
 

Other countries don’t have the gun violence problem that we do. 
 

Therefore, it’s logical to conclude that conservatives believe that Americans are uniquely mentally unwell. 
 

I’m not sure what other conclusion you could actually draw given the facts.