MikePJ76 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said: It would, but I am leary of giving up a 1st when we are going to need some O talent next year. I think I'd rather give a 4th or 5th to GB for Rosul Douglas or to Washington for Kendall Fuller. Douglas has another year on his contract and Fuller has also played safety, so he could be re-signed if wanted/needed next season. May not be the quality of Johnson, but would still improve what we currently have without using a high DP. Its bad business to ever trade a first. If it is not for quarterback or a once a generation type player (aaron Donald ish) imo you should never ever do it. I feel like the market has been set for above average defensive players with expiring contracts with Williams. So that would mean a 2024 2nd and a 2025 5th. The bills have two 3rds so moving the second though hard to swallow would be justifiable in this case. The bigger question is do you want to give a player a big time deal that you do not even know? That can upset the locker room. An outsider coming in and getting big money. The fact that he is a corner is another iffy thing to me. Guys that far away from the ball, you have to think twice about paying them these huge deals. You can always justify it for a player that plays on the line of scrimmage or a quarterback. Its just hard to do for a corner imo. Even the great ones are up and down. Matt Eberflus Bears defense asks the corners to jam at the line of scrimmage. He has a varied background having come up with Rob Ryan and then Rod marinelli. So jamming at the line of scrimmage and forcing guys inside is priority one. Johnson fits that mold with long arms and he is strong. I imagine he would fit right in with this defense. Having heard that SF is involved that makes me think this may get pushed to a first round pick. They are going for it 100% right now (Buffalo is to right?) and they seem to overpay if they want something and are not afraid to bring guys in and worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. Having said all that, this team needs help up front IMO, but there is no one who is going to trade the big guys inside at this point so getting a corner who can play the upper level wr and slow them down is the next best thing. A 2nd round pick wouldn't break the back of the Bills but it will be tough to swallow on Draft day when there are needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkirk Donski Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 24 minutes ago, boyst said: there are too many options for us today. Adams Jeudy Johnson Young Ertz Skelton and more. Time for a new Ertz thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlbills13 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I don't know about you all but I'm going to be so mad if we don't walk out of today without adding a #1 CB, an all-pro DT, a pro bowl LB, a WR to push Davis, and additional draft capital in both 2024 and 2025. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 A third and Elam and hope it gets done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 13 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said: Its bad business to ever trade a first. If it is not for quarterback or a once a generation type player (aaron Donald ish) imo you should never ever do it. I feel like the market has been set for above average defensive players with expiring contracts with Williams. So that would mean a 2024 2nd and a 2025 5th. The bills have two 3rds so moving the second though hard to swallow would be justifiable in this case. The bigger question is do you want to give a player a big time deal that you do not even know? That can upset the locker room. An outsider coming in and getting big money. The fact that he is a corner is another iffy thing to me. Guys that far away from the ball, you have to think twice about paying them these huge deals. You can always justify it for a player that plays on the line of scrimmage or a quarterback. Its just hard to do for a corner imo. Even the great ones are up and down. Matt Eberflus Bears defense asks the corners to jam at the line of scrimmage. He has a varied background having come up with Rob Ryan and then Rod marinelli. So jamming at the line of scrimmage and forcing guys inside is priority one. Johnson fits that mold with long arms and he is strong. I imagine he would fit right in with this defense. Having heard that SF is involved that makes me think this may get pushed to a first round pick. They are going for it 100% right now (Buffalo is to right?) and they seem to overpay if they want something and are not afraid to bring guys in and worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. Having said all that, this team needs help up front IMO, but there is no one who is going to trade the big guys inside at this point so getting a corner who can play the upper level wr and slow them down is the next best thing. A 2nd round pick wouldn't break the back of the Bills but it will be tough to swallow on Draft day when there are needs. I still don't think Johnson is the answer and still think it's too much to give up. You want to see something kind of funny. Elams comparison is Jaylon Johnson!! 🤣🤣 https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kaiir-elam/3200454c-4155-0002-a198-92eda6859fa9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I would just like to Add on Jaylon Johnson. Spotrac's potential salary for him is 3 years 23.3 mllion with an avg salary of 7.7 million. I imagine this is the hold up with the bears and a contract. He probably sees himself as Jalen Ramsey and his comps according to spotrac are taron johnson, jordan lewis, charvarious ward...etc....This must be the issue. also a few more things, Seattle sending a 2nd round pick to NY while NY ate the salary on Williams may not be an accurate estimate on compensation. Johnson is younger and less expensive. That seattle pick will end up being a late 2 as would buffalo, Dallas or SF's 2. The bears may ask for a 1 for johnson. I wouldn't want to be competing in this type of situation with SF, I do not think Dallas would even consider a 1 however. The difference with buffalo is they could send elam. Elam and johnson are essentially the same size and elam has years left on his deal and could step in and get a fresh start under imo a very good defensive coach in Eberflus. So maybe Elam and a 3 could be an option if no one else goes higher than a 2. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jaylon-johnson-47645/market-value/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 40 minutes ago, boyst said: there are too many options for us today. Adams Jeudy Johnson Young Ertz Skelton and more. Only 2 that would put us over the top. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) Has Elam really had enough reps/PT & time to adjust to the pro game to really judge his ability. He smacks of a guy we dump who turns out to be a player elsewhere… Edited October 31, 2023 by PayDaBill$ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 the more i keep hearing about this Bears CB the more i just get a bad feeling that he is only interested in money or something. just a bad taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) Looks like some rumors on jaylon Johnson from the bears (CB) - couple things I read he sought a trade and I guess Buffalo is interested saw another fascinating one that the commanders were interested in trading two guys on defense Montez Swear and Chase Young for a second rounder (each) is what they want - don’t think that is too bad Edited October 31, 2023 by Drew21PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Joe Buscaglia has a nice article on the athletic about potential trade targets. His DT options are intriguing. Teair tart and John Jenkins. He seems to think a lot higher than I do about Kenall fuller though. https://theathletic.com/5014080/2023/10/30/nfl-trade-deadline-buffalo-bills/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, CNYfan said: I am not expecting anything big, or anything at all. May a DT like Harrison Phillips, but not going to be trading a 1st rounder without the extension in place. Thank you Buzz Killington 2 minutes ago, Drew21PA said: Looks like some rumors on jaylon Johnson from the bears (CB) - couple things I read he sought a trade and I guess Buffalo is interested saw another fascinating one that the commanders were interested in trading two guys on defense Montez Swear and Chase Young for a second rounder (each) is what they want - don’t think that is too bad Bet Young could be had for a 3rd. worth it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, 26TrapDraw said: Thank you Buzz Killington Bet Young could be had for a 3rd. worth it? Maybe but I think a 2nd is fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Drew21PA said: Maybe but I think a 2nd is fair We have 2 3rds. Beane would part with 1 for Young me thinks. Will the commanders take it though? I make that call if I’m BB. Chase Young’s a good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 These teams aren’t giving away these guys above for a song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, 26TrapDraw said: We have 2 3rds. Beane would part with 1 for Young me thinks. Will the commanders take it though? I make that call if I’m BB. Chase Young’s a good player. And why exactly would we be in the market for DEs ? We have a gaping hole at DT1 followed by LB and CB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) a dream could be Davante Adams and Johnson then sign Suh edit: I don't think Hopkins moves from Ten because their rookie probably needs him for development Edited October 31, 2023 by boyst 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, 26TrapDraw said: We have 2 3rds. Beane would part with 1 for Young me thinks. Will the commanders take it though? I make that call if I’m BB. Chase Young’s a good player. I wouldn't trade for Young or Sweat right now. I think we are already set at DE for now. Allen on the other hand...😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taglientep Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, boyst said: a dream could be Davante Adams and Johnson then sign Suh I’m…. Dreaming… of a white….Christmas…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 From the Raiders games I've seen, I wouldn't mind getting Robert Spillane in here. Original deal was 2-years, $9 million. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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