Rigotz Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 Amidst all the negativity this season, I want to bump this thread one last time. We found a true impact guy in the third round last year. The talking heads hated the pick. We hated the pick. Everyone was wrong. Terrel Bernard through 12 games this year: 104 tackles 3 interceptions 3.5 sacks Tremaine Edmunds through 5 years as a starter (full season averages): 113 tackles / yr 1 interception / yr 1.3 sacks / yr It's not just about the splash plays either. His run fits and pass coverage have been beautiful. Exciting to think about him and Milano paired for the next several years. 6 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wettlaufer Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Rigotz said: Amidst all the negativity this season, I want to bump this thread one last time. We found a true impact guy in the third round last year. The talking heads hated the pick. We hated the pick. Everyone was wrong. Terrel Bernard through 12 games this year: 104 tackles 3 interceptions 3.5 sacks Tremaine Edmunds through 5 years as a starter (full season averages): 113 tackles / yr 1 interception / yr 1.3 sacks / yr It's not just about the splash plays either. His run fits and pass coverage have been beautiful. Exciting to think about him and Milano paired for the next several years. Bernard is well ahead in the grouping of tackles for loss and fumble recoveries. By far a more complete linebacker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 ahhh....a backdoor Edmunds thread! Awesome! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 (edited) Not to mention the fact that he is taking up a lot less cap space on the Bills than Edmunds is taking up on the Bears!! Edited December 1, 2023 by Special K 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, Special K said: Not to mention the fact that he is taking up a lot less cap space on the Bills than Edmunds is taking up on the Bears!! And we're likely to receive a 3rd round comp pick as well 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 He has come a long way from being in the fan doghouse 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: ahhh....a backdoor Edmunds thread! Awesome! All threads at their core are secretly Edmunds threads. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 12 hours ago, Warcodered said: All threads at their core are secretly Edmunds threads. the chewy center 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: ahhh....a backdoor Edmunds thread! Awesome! Huh? This is pretty much a frontdoor "Edmunds sucked" thread. Edited December 2, 2023 by Doc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Doc said: Huh? This is pretty much a frontdoor "Edmunds sucked" thread. I’m looking for the side door ‘Edmunds sucked’ thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 13 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: I’m looking for the side door ‘Edmunds sucked’ thread Go to the home page and cross your eyes. That reveals the secret forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 22 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: I’m looking for the side door ‘Edmunds sucked’ thread I like the Koolaide man busting through a random wall Edmunds thread. Oh yeah! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 22 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Go to the home page and cross your eyes. That reveals the secret forum. Speak " friend" and enter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 38 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: I’m looking for the side door ‘Edmunds sucked’ thread It’s so true! the Bills defense has dropped 5 places this year. Fun fact, a defense ranked ahead of them are the Bears, who weee the 4th worst defense in the entire nfl last year and are now top 10. now I’m not as a same as some of you. But I think MLBs are an important part of a defense. This is a crazy thought but maybe the MLB who was part of almost exclusively top 5 defenses here and helped the bears improve almost 15 spots might be a good player. this backhand Edmund’s sucks comments sucks. Obviously, he got overpaid but he’s a good dude and player. And I like TB. I still worry about him holding up long term and think he would be even better as a OLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 52 minutes ago, Doc said: Huh? This is pretty much a frontdoor "Edmunds sucked" thread. See warcodered”s post above for help… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It’s so true! the Bills defense has dropped 5 places this year. Fun fact, a defense ranked ahead of them are the Bears, who weee the 4th worst defense in the entire nfl last year and are now top 10. now I’m not as a same as some of you. But I think MLBs are an important part of a defense. This is a crazy thought but maybe the MLB who was part of almost exclusively top 5 defenses here and helped the bears improve almost 15 spots might be a good player. this backhand Edmund’s sucks comments sucks. Obviously, he got overpaid but he’s a good dude and player. And I like TB. I still worry about him holding up long term and think he would be even better as a OLB. The Bears are allowing 4 points more per game than the Bills. And in the 2 games he missed allowed fewer than the average points allowed with him playing. He's a good and high character dude. He never lived up to his draft status and wasn't worth what the Bears gave him. I don't think there's anything wrong in saying that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, Doc said: The Bears are allowing 4 points more per game than the Bills. And in the 2 games he missed allowed fewer than the average points allowed with him playing. He's a good and high character dude. He never lived up to his draft status and wasn't worth what the Bears gave him. I don't think there's anything wrong in saying that. I’d like to think you are smart enough to know why yards/ game is a better stat to use than points/ game to evaluate defense. few questions: so the bears haven’t made an improvement in defense this year? the bills defense hasn’t regressed a bit? are MLBs important players in a defense? did the Bills have multiple seasons of top 3 defenses with Edmunds? Is MLB typical a sack positions (since weird people like using sack stats again Edmunds. And I get ints, but TE has 2 this year)? Im fine with going after guys who were trash people when they were here. TE barely talked and had zero issues here and was so really good Ds here. I think our defense is not as good this year and I like TB. But for the best fanbase to go after a guy who did nothing wrong here over and over again seems tacky and corny. I’ll let Gabe Davis know this is coming for him next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 (edited) 54 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I’d like to think you are smart enough to know why yards/ game is a better stat to use than points/ game to evaluate defense. few questions: so the bears haven’t made an improvement in defense this year? the bills defense hasn’t regressed a bit? are MLBs important players in a defense? did the Bills have multiple seasons of top 3 defenses with Edmunds? Is MLB typical a sack positions (since weird people like using sack stats again Edmunds. And I get ints, but TE has 2 this year)? Im fine with going after guys who were trash people when they were here. TE barely talked and had zero issues here and was so really good Ds here. I think our defense is not as good this year and I like TB. But for the best fanbase to go after a guy who did nothing wrong here over and over again seems tacky and corny. I’ll let Gabe Davis know this is coming for him next year. Is it? Because games are won and lost based on yards, not points? The Bills' issues during most of their losses have been on offense, which is why Dorsey was fired. The defense is allowing 19 PPG, which is actually fewer than their average last year. Edited December 2, 2023 by Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 15 minutes ago, Doc said: Is it? Because games are won and lost based on yards, not points? The Bills' issues during most of their losses have been on offense, which is why Dorsey was fired. The defense is allowing 19 PPG, which is actually fewer than their average last year. I think the best way to e v a l defenses is efficiency per drive metrics. Bills defense is 10th in points per drive and 13th in yards. Last year they were 5th in points per drive and 13th in yards. There's been a bit of a drop off defensively, but that's much more because of the losses of Milano, Tre, etc Conversely, the Bears defense this season is 17th in yards and 26th in points, last year they were 30 and 32. Their defense is still horrific, but not the worst in the league. And that's really all it comes down to. Edmunds is extremely physically gifted, but not a true difference maker, and thus was never worth a big contract for us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 54 minutes ago, Doc said: Is it? Because games are won and lost based on yards, not points? The Bills' issues during most of their losses have been on offense, which is why Dorsey was fired. The defense is allowing 19 PPG, which is actually fewer than their average last year. So I guess you’re not 🙄 I’m disappointed. You are a doctor. you do realize that points can occur in many different ways - turnovers, special teams, turnovers that put the defense, etc. to blindly use points is pretty stupid. but again, I’m sure the Bears having the biggest defensive turn around in the nfl has nothing to do with getting a new MLB. 🙄😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: So I guess you’re not 🙄 I’m disappointed. You are a doctor. you do realize that points can occur in many different ways - turnovers, special teams, turnovers that put the defense, etc. to blindly use points is pretty stupid. but again, I’m sure the Bears having the biggest defensive turn around in the nfl has nothing to do with getting a new MLB. 🙄😉 They are 26th in points allowed per drive. they are still really bad! Biggest defensive turnaround? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 7 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: So I guess you’re not 🙄 I’m disappointed. You are a doctor. you do realize that points can occur in many different ways - turnovers, special teams, turnovers that put the defense, etc. to blindly use points is pretty stupid. but again, I’m sure the Bears having the biggest defensive turn around in the nfl has nothing to do with getting a new MLB. 🙄😉 3 total TDs for Bears opponents came on Defensive plays or returns. It's all about points allowed. Next you'll go on about how Carolina is a 6th ranked Defense (better than the Bills!!). Teams don't bother running on the Bears, their pass D sucks (it was better last year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 During the TNF game I noticed Edmunds is still getting the same credit for being tall that he did in Buffalo. Because you can work on that. He also got kudos for coming back from an injury. Not returning before expected, just that he recovered. I have to admit, Chicago certainly got $72 million worth of tall man who can heal eventually. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloTX Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 Terrel Bernard is the man and I'm happy he plays for the Bills! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 Bump! this kid deserves so much praise for this season csnr help to be excited for the future of Milano and Bernard together at kinebacker i mean holy crap! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted January 3 Author Share Posted January 3 I've seen a few other Bernard threads pop up, so might as well bump the OG. Comparison time, just for fun: Terrel Bernard in 2023: 134 tackles 6.5 sacks 3 interceptions 3 fumble recoveries 9 QB hits 10.5 run stuffs Tremaine Edmunds in Buffalo: 121 tackles in his best season (113 avg per season) 6.5 sacks in 5 seasons! 5 interceptions in 5 seasons! 0 fumble recoveries in 5 seasons! 18 QB hits in 5 seasons! 10 run stuffs in his best season Unreal jump in production from Tremaine to Terrel and at a bargain... AND getting a 3rd round comp pick back. Well done, Brandon Beane. Well done, Terrel Bernard! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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