Mr. WEO Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 Just now, Beck Water said: What do you mean “for what?” The whole point of an umbrella policy is an “umbrella” of protection for situations excluded or not covered by other policies, or above the limits of those other policies. The guy was a renter. Why would he have an umbrella policy for a jetski/boat? 1 minute ago, Beck Water said: You don’t get an umbrella policy on your home or auto. You get it to cover stuff above what your home or auto insurance covers, and to cover liability they don’t cover. "To own umbrella insurance, you must own standard homeowners, auto, or watercraft policy first; the umbrella policy kicks in after the regular coverage has been exhausted" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: The guy was a renter. Why would he have an umbrella policy for a jetski/boat? You not following. Umbrella policies are not tied to a particular vehicle or boat or whatever. And at any rate, an ordinary homeowners policy would cover an accident like this too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, mannc said: Wrong. That’s exactly the kind of thing an umbrella policy covers. If he had PWC insurance, and after it's payout was exhausted, so, no. He was a renter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 Just now, Mr. WEO said: If he had PWC insurance, and after it's payout was exhausted, so, no. He was a renter. Completely irrelevant. No offense, but you should stick to opining on medical issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 1 minute ago, mannc said: You not following. Umbrella policies are not tied to a particular vehicle or boat or whatever. And at any rate, an ordinary homeowners policy would cover an accident like this too. A homeowner's plan would cover liability when he rents some company's jet ski? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 Just now, Mr. WEO said: A homeowner's plan would cover liability when he rents some company's jet ski? Most would, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, SoTier said: I just don't see jet skis being in the same danger category. Where I live, near Chautauqua Lake, jet skis are everywhere. Several of my friends have or had jet skis. I've ridden them. I've also ridden horses, and horses are a lot more dangerous. Sure… they are somewhere in between hang gliders and motorized shopping carts but they do give a tremendous amount of speed and agility on water to someone who might have no idea what they are doing. I spent time on a buddies pretty fast seadoo xp… was easy to do stupid things 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 Just now, mannc said: Most would, yes. for millions of dollars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The guy was a renter. Why would he have an umbrella policy for a jetski/boat? "To own umbrella insurance, you must own standard homeowners, auto, or watercraft policy first; the umbrella policy kicks in after the regular coverage has been exhausted" It is true that the insurers of which I’m aware want you to have both home and auto policies with them before they will write you an umbrella policy, but the usual umbrella policy is not limited to kicking in after regular coverage is exhausted. It also covers other situations, such as personal liability and vacation rental. From the Progressive site: An umbrella insurance policy extends well beyond your home and auto insurance if you're found liable for more than your other insurance policies can cover. A personal umbrella insurance policy allows you to select a liability limit that best protects your assets, up to $5 million. Umbrella insurance coverage may include the following: Personal injury coverage: For claims of libel, slander, defamation of character, and more Worldwide coverage: For incidents that happen abroad Vacation rental liability coverage: Protection for accidents involving boats, jet skis, scooters, and other rentals Defense coverage: For legal fees and court costs 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: A homeowner's plan would cover liability when he rents some company's jet ski? No, an umbrella policy would cover this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: for millions of dollars? Liability coverage associated with homeowners policies frequently exceeds $1 million. I bet yours does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Beck Water said: It is true that the insurers of which I’m aware want you to have both home and auto policies with them before they will write you an umbrella policy, but the usual umbrella policy is not limited to kicking in after regular coverage is exhausted. It also covers other situations, such as personal liability and vacation rental. From the Progressive site: An umbrella insurance policy extends well beyond your home and auto insurance if you're found liable for more than your other insurance policies can cover. A personal umbrella insurance policy allows you to select a liability limit that best protects your assets, up to $5 million. Umbrella insurance coverage may include the following: Personal injury coverage: For claims of libel, slander, defamation of character, and more Worldwide coverage: For incidents that happen abroad Vacation rental liability coverage: Protection for accidents involving boats, jet skis, scooters, and other rentals Defense coverage: For legal fees and court costs No, an umbrella policy would cover this. Most sites I saw say homeowners policy do not cover jet ski rentals over 50 HP. There's a small chance this guy had an umbrella policy (you do so if you have a LOT to lose. There is essentially not chance he had a policy near 5 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsDiehard Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bills-nyheim-hines-hires-attorney-after-season-ending-jet-ski-accident-per-report/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Buffalo619 said: He needs to be more careful and not put himself in dangerous situations. Yes, nothing more dangerous than getting on a jet ski. He should stop doing anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 21 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Most sites I saw say homeowners policy do not cover jet ski rentals over 50 HP. There's a small chance this guy had an umbrella policy (you do so if you have a LOT to lose. There is essentially not chance he had a policy near 5 million OK, the rest of us are talking about umbrella policies, so what the homeowner’s policy covered is non issue If the guy didn’t have an umbrella policy, that’s a different issue, but you’ve been saying an umbrella policy wouldn’t cover this - it’s actually the sort of thing an umbrella policy should cover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Most sites I saw say homeowners policy do not cover jet ski rentals over 50 HP. There's a small chance this guy had an umbrella policy (you do so if you have a LOT to lose. There is essentially not chance he had a policy near 5 million One last thing, then I’m done with this thread…if the guy rented the jetski, then the outfit he rented from most likely would have required him to pay for insurance to cover the rental. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Buffalo619 said: He needs to be more careful and not put himself in dangerous situations. He is suing because it should not have been a dangerous situation. It’s like being hit by a drunk driver. It’s not like snow skiing where you hurt yourself with your decision. What if he’d been sitting on a pontoon boat and got hit? Should he have been at the gym? I’m sorry, life happens. And sometimes it sucks. But if someone was reckless and caused him this kind of harm, I can understand wanting to see it out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, mannc said: One last thing, then I’m done with this thread…if the guy rented the jetski, then the outfit he rented from most likely would have required him to pay for insurance to cover the rental. Possibly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 I said the day it happened we would never see Hines in a Bills uniform again. Just unfortunate. But Buffalo will move on and will have other RB/kick returner plans. There’s no shortage of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, zow2 said: I said the day it happened we would never see Hines in a Bills uniform again. Just unfortunate. But Buffalo will move on and will have other RB/kick returner plans. There’s no shortage of them. Hines was the best return guy the Bills have ever had. He’ll be missed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 17 minutes ago, Beck Water said: OK, the rest of us are talking about umbrella policies, so what the homeowner’s policy covered is non issue If the guy didn’t have an umbrella policy, that’s a different issue, but you’ve been saying an umbrella policy wouldn’t cover this - it’s actually the sort of thing an umbrella policy should cover I guess it depends on your policy and where. One law firm site said it would cover what specific insurance didn’t but you had to exhaust the payout of that specific policy—it included PWC along with auto and home. multiple other sites said it would exclude liability claims on jet skis over 50hp. Another poster said typical homeowners (not umbrella) covers over a million in liability. I doubt any mandatory liability insurance a rental company requires (if at all) a renter to pay would cover more than a couple hundred thousand. anyway, my initial post said this guy doesn’t have 4.5 million for the taking l—including any assets or insurance. im standing by that as a sage assumption Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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