Punching Bag Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?231+sum+SB1515 It provides no mechanism for checking age "leaving it to providers" so companies are very vulnerable to lawsuits with burden of proof much less in civil courts. https://www.vpm.org/news/2023-06-26/virginia-porn-law-age-verification Quote Quote SB 1515 Harmful materials; civil liability for publishing or distributing to minors on the Internet. Civil liability for publishing or distributing material harmful to minors on the Internet. Creates a civil cause of action for any commercial entity that knowingly or intentionally publishes or distributes on the Internet material harmful to minors, as defined in the bill, and that does not take reasonable steps to verify that the age of a person attempting to access such material harmful to minors is 18 years of age or older. The bill also clarifies the definition of "sexual conduct" so that it is neutral regarding sexual orientation for the purpose of crimes related to prohibited sales and loans to juveniles. It reminds me of what happened in 50s with banning of comic books https://www.washingtonpost.com/made-by-history/2022/10/17/book-ban-comic-books-panic/ Quote This was the case in the 1950s when a movement arose to ban comic books. At its center was a respected child psychologist pushing wild accusations about the dangers of illustrated literature for children. His analysis was misguided, his evidence misleading or fabricated, and his concerns about children’s literature overblown, but Americans bought his claims anyway. This history serves as a cautionary tale, as graphic novels once again draw the ire of book banners. Some companies have said (and are already doing it) they would prevent access in Commonwealth of Virginia. Edited June 29, 2023 by Limeaid updated title Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Ok... I came here thinking that they were checking the ages of Veterans. I was wondering why they didn't have all their patient info. 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Info Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 For porn. Shouldn’t the title be cleaned up? …made myself laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 29, 2023 Author Share Posted June 29, 2023 48 minutes ago, Mr Info said: For porn. Shouldn’t the title be cleaned up? …made myself laugh. It is not impacting just porn. You live in Virginia. Is that where you are seeing impact? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Mr Info said: For porn. Shouldn’t the title be cleaned up? …made myself laugh. Oh no can’t make 12 year olds accessing porn as easy as clicking “yes I’m 18” oh nooooooooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 30, 2023 Author Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, LeviF said: Oh no can’t make 12 year olds accessing porn as easy as clicking “yes I’m 18” oh nooooooooo Does not make a difference since most of the porn is overseas and VA laywers will get them in court or get courts in their country make them pay as long as they use a overseas credit card processes. The real risk is to them is low unless they have offices in Virginia. Edited June 30, 2023 by Limeaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Does not make a difference since most of the porn is overseas and VA laywers will get them in court or get courts in their country make them pay as long as they use a overseas credit card processes. The real risk is to them unless they have offices in Virginia. What 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Mr Info said: For porn. Shouldn’t the title be cleaned up? …made myself laugh. It’s about stuff on the internet, not porn. I’m not sure if it applies to magazine stands where porn is sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Info Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 9 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: It’s about stuff on the internet, not porn. I’m not sure if it applies to magazine stands where porn is sold. The 2nd link title in the OP states: “Virginia to become latest state to require age verification for online porn” Perhaps it also applies to magazines but are any still published? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 13 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: It’s about stuff on the internet, not porn. I’m not sure if it applies to magazine stands where porn is sold. What’s a magazine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 5 hours ago, Mr Info said: The 2nd link title in the OP states: “Virginia to become latest state to require age verification for online porn” Perhaps it also applies to magazines but are any still published? In NY they ID for those kinds of magazines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 30, 2023 Author Share Posted June 30, 2023 5 hours ago, Mr Info said: The 2nd link title in the OP states: “Virginia to become latest state to require age verification for online porn” Perhaps it also applies to magazines but are any still published? I went to a game which was not porn and it was blocked because I was in Virginia. "Contact your representative and request device based verification to be allowed." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: What’s a magazine? It is like a flimsy book. They used to have them about all sorts of topics but now they are just celebrity gossip and porn. Sometimes those two overlap. Anyway I don’t understand why they’d target the internet to stop porn and leave these magazine and DVD hooligans alone. It’s not like there is a lot of porn on the internet is there? 5 hours ago, Mr Info said: The 2nd link title in the OP states: “Virginia to become latest state to require age verification for online porn” Perhaps it also applies to magazines but are any still published? Online porn? Like raunchy music videos on YouTube? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Avenger Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: What’s a magazine? If you print out text and still images from a website and staple them all together so you can read them like a book you'll have something that approximates a magazine. Remember - it will have no audio or embedded video and links won't work, so it'll be pretty lame... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) Kids already know what a VPN is and how to use it. They've spent the last 3 years learning how to get around school-based security and web monitoring. A 6 year old in VA shot his teacher during class. Direct me to the Legislature's effort to fix that. Protect the children though. 🙄 Edited June 30, 2023 by That's No Moon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 7 hours ago, That's No Moon said: Kids already know what a VPN is and how to use it. They've spent the last 3 years learning how to get around school-based security and web monitoring. That's really what makes this so laughable. You can't have boomers creating laws regulating technology because they don't understand technology past pushing the power button and then yelling on social media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 1, 2023 Author Share Posted July 1, 2023 1 hour ago, QCity said: That's really what makes this so laughable. You can't have boomers creating laws regulating technology because they don't understand technology past pushing the power button and then yelling on social media. They do not care how it works or whether it will work. They are like the leaders of torch leaders who just stir up trouble so they can lead the mob. If it does not work it needs to go further with legal penalties, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 10 hours ago, That's No Moon said: A 6 year old in VA shot his teacher during class. Direct me to the Legislature's effort to fix that. Protect the children though. 🙄 The mother was charged, under existing Virginia law, with felony child neglect and recklessly leaving a fire arm to endanger a child. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 Lot of pushback against the idea that maybe 12 year olds shouldn’t have unlimited access to hardcore pornography. Really makes you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, sherpa said: The mother was charged, under existing Virginia law, with felony child neglect and recklessly leaving a fire arm to endanger a child. Yup. And that "protects the children" in what way? The word protect implies taking action that will prevent harm. What Virginia has done is punishment. Punishment and protection are not the same thing. 2 hours ago, LeviF said: Lot of pushback against the idea that maybe 12 year olds shouldn’t have unlimited access to hardcore pornography. Really makes you think. I'm not pushing back that they shouldn't be doing that. Of course they shouldn't. I'm pushing back that what Virginia has done will have any impact at all. Also, I'm against any time the government feels like it needs to step in and parent people. Do kids under 12 have to have phones? Do kids have to have unmonitored computer time? No in both cases but people can't be bothered to parent properly so it's now the government's job to do it for them. Which they do poorly as in this case. Edited July 1, 2023 by That's No Moon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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