Joe Ferguson forever Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 15 minutes ago, dickleyjones said: Banning books, wtf? Yeah, that really stops kids lol. They have the internet and most can outsmart their parents, especially online. They will get their hands on whatever, banning only makes them want to try harder. Sure, parents rights and all, but generally kids dgaf. Heck, without internet we got porn at waaaaay too young an age (7 maybe?). And i *think* i turned out fine. Had to wait till about 11 or 12 for the anarchist cookbook. And then the supreme disappointment at probably 13 when i read the famously banned (and only wanted it because it was banned) "Catcher in the Rye". I was given the cookbook in high school. Never used it. x Hawaiian rosewood seeds as an hallucinogen that caused vomiting… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Or their parents can buy the books for home reading. As many copies as they want since nothing is banned. Saves precious education dollars for more important things. Agree, I wouldn't waste precious education dollars on removing books either. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 More from Gays Against Groomers, they have been falsely accused of being a "hate group" also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 16 minutes ago, dickleyjones said: Agree, I wouldn't waste precious education dollars on removing books either. I seek understanding. Can you tell me the value of anal/oral library materials for elementary school children? Betterment of society? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 24 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: I seek understanding. Can you tell me the value of anal/oral library materials for elementary school children? Betterment of society? Anne frank is an important reminder of the horrors of nazism.., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 1 hour ago, JDHillFan said: Or their parents can buy the books for home reading. As many copies as they want since nothing is banned. Saves precious education dollars for more important things. You don't even need to buy them. Get them at the local public library. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: I seek understanding. Can you tell me the value of anal/oral library materials for elementary school children? Betterment of society? I imagine the value is the same as any book on sexual materials for elementary school children, which were available when i was a kid. Most of the value there is probably to simply open conversation so that kids aren't afraid/embarrassed to talk if something wrong is happening. If the mindset is "we don't talk about that" then what happens if they need to? Ultimately though, I don't think it matters much. i wouldn't waste $$ getting rid of it. I seek to understand bans (or restrictions or whatever) in an age where everything is easily available, knowing that kids will be even more curious when things are banned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 15 minutes ago, B-Man said: Dune, Brave New World, Handmaiden's Tale...is that just a clever graphic or have those books been removed? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Books like these were readily available in my elementary school. And X limits the reach of this tweet due to "sensitive content" but for your 8 year old at school? Free for all! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 46 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Books like these were readily available in my elementary school. And X limits the reach of this tweet due to "sensitive content" but for your 8 year old at school? Free for all! If that comic is not allowed in elementary school it is an attack on gay people and kids won’t have any way of clearing up their confusion about going down on someone. The three R’s are overrated anyway. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 (edited) I’m sure most people that are for these books don’t really know how vulgar the content is… I say this because after seeing those pictures, there’s no way anyone in their right mind would think those are appropriate for minors… Edited December 2, 2023 by JaCrispy 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 4 hours ago, dickleyjones said: Banning books, wtf? Yeah, that really stops kids lol. They have the internet and most can outsmart their parents, especially online. They will get their hands on whatever, banning only makes them want to try harder. Sure, parents rights and all, but generally kids dgaf. Heck, without internet we got porn at waaaaay too young an age (7 maybe?). And i *think* i turned out fine. Had to wait till about 11 or 12 for the anarchist cookbook. And then the supreme disappointment at probably 13 when i read the famously banned (and only wanted it because it was banned) "Catcher in the Rye". I thought the other two I have been arguing with were ignorant of the situation, you are a whole new level. The law stops teachers from assigning any of these books and making them available to little kids in school libraries. All of the books are still available to anyone who wants to get them from library but if my daughter checks a book out I can see what she checked out. Catcher in the Rye is still available in my high school library, but children are not being given books with instructions on meeting people through online forums. Were you actually ignorant enough to think the law actually banned a book from the state? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 3 hours ago, dickleyjones said: Dune, Brave New World, Handmaiden's Tale...is that just a clever graphic or have those books been removed? They have been removed from school libraries .......up to the 8th grade. Still not banning. But stick with your blind narrative. Quote According to local reporting, the books were removed out of an effort to comply with Florida’s HB 1069, a law which broadened school board oversight of library collections, expanded mechanisms for challenging books, provided that content that “depicts or describes sexual conduct” is a valid reason for a challenge, and barred instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity through 8th grade. https://pen.org/more-than-300-titles-banned-in-collier-county-florida/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 29 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: I thought the other two I have been arguing with were ignorant of the situation, you are a whole new level. The law stops teachers from assigning any of these books and making them available to little kids in school libraries. All of the books are still available to anyone who wants to get them from library but if my daughter checks a book out I can see what she checked out. Catcher in the Rye is still available in my high school library, but children are not being given books with instructions on meeting people through online forums. Were you actually ignorant enough to think the law actually banned a book from the state? Like many, they don't take the time to go beyond headlines like "Florida banning books!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: I’m sure most people that are for these books don’t really know how vulgar the content is… I say this because after seeing those pictures, there’s no way anyone in their right mind would think those are appropriate for minors… Absolutely agree but positions have been staked out. When you go to the mat referring to people as “white supremacist ANTI LGTBQ extremist/hate group” over the matter, how does one backtrack? That’s one of the problems with being a zealot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Absolutely agree but positions have been staked out. When you go to the mat referring to people as “white supremacist ANTI LGTBQ extremist/hate group” over the matter, how does one backtrack? That’s one of the problems with being a zealot. So sad, and so true…it’s like some people have to just embrace the opposite of what you say (no matter how righteous you are) simply because they’ve already decided you were the worst possible type of human being…unfortunately, this is what modern politics has become- it blinds people from seeing all rationality in favor of their politics… Edited December 2, 2023 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsFanNC Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 5 hours ago, dickleyjones said: I imagine the value is the same as any book on sexual materials for elementary school children, which were available when i was a kid. Most of the value there is probably to simply open conversation so that kids aren't afraid/embarrassed to talk if something wrong is happening. If the mindset is "we don't talk about that" then what happens if they need to? Ultimately though, I don't think it matters much. i wouldn't waste $$ getting rid of it. I seek to understand bans (or restrictions or whatever) in an age where everything is easily available, knowing that kids will be even more curious when things are banned. Yes the internet makes a lot of this smut readily available to kids, especially if their parents don't take necessary steps to lock down home networks. You know one place kids cant access internet porn? A school library. Imagine that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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