NewEra Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 23 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: You think the other owners are seriously going to entertain giving the Bills a roster exemption to carry a second punter? “I said to keep a second punter or get the nfl to make a roster exemption for the bills to carry Araizq.” you can’t make this still up!! 🤣 😂 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said: I mean he’s just a punter and they’re expendable. Again, just business. I couldn’t care less who the punter is. It has minuscule affect on their chances in the long run. Beyond the team though, yes I hope Araiza is able to get some sort of vindication beyond this prosecution report. Whether it be through a countersuit or something else I believe he deserves that at least. But the Bills don’t owe him squat. Araiza is the most exciting punter in like forever. You have no idea how pumped up I was when we drafted him. If the Bills care about family and oneness, they will do the right thing and bring Araiza in to compete against Martin. 1 minute ago, NewEra said: “I said to keep a second punter or get the nfl to make a roster exemption for the bills to carry Araizq.” you can’t make this still up!! 🤣 😂 It’s called Justice. If the NFL cares about it, they will see to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: “I said to keep a second punter or get the nfl to make a roster exemption for the bills to carry Araizq.” you can’t make this still up!! 🤣 😂 I’m not following did I say the underlined? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: Araiza is the most exciting punter in like forever. You have no idea how pumped up I was when we drafted him. If the Bills care about family and oneness, they will do the right thing and bring Araiza in to compete against Martin. They don’t care. They are heartless. They’ve been conning us all this time. Evil is all I see Just now, JoPoy88 said: I’m not following did I say the underlined? No 3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Araiza is the most exciting punter in like forever. You have no idea how pumped up I was when we drafted him. If the Bills care about family and oneness, they will do the right thing and bring Araiza in to compete against Martin. It’s called Justice. If the NFL cares about it, they will see to it. They don’t. They won’t. Evil I say!! We should boycott the nfl and all of their team forums starting now! You go first, I’m right behind you 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdo67 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 I prefer the punter we have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Araiza is the most exciting punter in like forever. You have no idea how pumped up I was when we drafted him. If the Bills care about family and oneness, they will do the right thing and bring Araiza in to compete against Martin. and that’s fine - you’re obviously more excited about punters than I ever could be. look, the kid got railroaded. It sucks. I’m sure Beane is reading the same **** tonight and extremely mad at all the same people we are mad at. He should get another chance in the NFL (which I think he will, given he signed and then backed out of the Mexican league deal right around the time this meeting between the prosecutors and the (edit: ALLEGED) victim happened.) And who knows, maybe he ends up back on the Bills one day. Edited May 9, 2023 by JoPoy88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 If you don't think this will get traction in the media, I think you should just wait until a team signs him. It'll be talked about everywhere. The Bills don't owe him an apology though. They never accused him of anything, and said they wanted to let him go out and defend himself. If i remember correctly, he also didn't disclose to the Bills that this was being investigated? Either way, everybody loves a comeback story, so I'm sure he'll get his chance again. Just sucks it was delayed for over a year and won't be for us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdo67 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Lack of due diligence and plenty of stupid actions by everyone involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 minute ago, BigDingus said: If you don't think this will get traction in the media, I think you should just wait until a team signs him. It'll be talked about everywhere. The Bills don't owe him an apology though. They never accused him of anything, and said they wanted to let him go out and defend himself. If i remember correctly, he also didn't disclose to the Bills that this was being investigated? Either way, everybody loves a comeback story, so I'm sure he'll get his chance again. Just sucks it was delayed for over a year and won't be for us. Why do fans take such a weak stance? Why can’t it be us? It’s never us. Fight for this team to bring him back, don’t just accept woe is me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: Why do fans take such a weak stance? Why can’t it be us? It’s never us. Fight for this team to bring him back, don’t just accept woe is me. well one reason might be Araiza isn’t interested in coming back to the Bills after cutting him over this stuff. You’ll never know the full story and even if the Bills were amenable to doing it he might just say no. He’s pretty much exonerated at this point. He’ll have other suitors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Why do fans take such a weak stance? Why can’t it be us? It’s never us. Fight for this team to bring him back, don’t just accept woe is me. What do you plan to do to fight and bring him back? Or are you just another weak fan that just talks big on the interwebs? Do something about it. Web talk is cheap. Be a true American ffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: If the Bills care about family and oneness, they will do the right thing and bring Araiza in to compete against Martin. If Araiza was up front about what was going on and didn't hide it, he wouldn't have been Drafted in the first place by the Bills. This was yet another reason they let him go. This was hanging over his head and no one knew about it until it blew up. Then Beane was left holding the bag and looking bad. And it created a massive distraction to the team. The Bills don't owe him anything. Maybe they'll bring him into Camp and "do the right thing" in your eyes if he doesn't get an opportunity. But it would be a hollow invite as he wouldn't be the Punter of this team, unless Martin got hurt. Martin has a 2.4 million dollar cap hit if he's released this season. They aren't going to eat that and pay Araiza on top of it, for a position as negligible as Punter. They aren't going to say "thanks for bailing out Matt, Sam. But he's been cleared and I know we just made a long term commitment to you that you earned, but.... see ya!". I was pumped when we Drafted him too. I bought a "Punt God" shirt from Buffalo Fanatics. Still have it. It's an unfortunate situation all the way around. But Matt Araiza won't be a Buffalo Bill. Here's hoping someone else who has an opening gives him a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said: If Araiza was up front about what was going on and didn't hide it, he wouldn't have been Drafted in the first place by the Bills. This was yet another reason they let him go. This was hanging over his head and no one knew about it until it blew up. Then Beane was left holding the bag and looking bad. And it created a massive distraction to the team. The Bills don't owe him anything. Maybe they'll bring him into Camp and "do the right thing" in your eyes if he doesn't get an opportunity. But it would be a hollow invite as he wouldn't be the Punter of this team, unless Martin got hurt. Martin has a 2.4 million dollar cap hit if he's released this season. They aren't going to eat that and pay Araiza on top of it, for a position as negligible as Punter. They aren't going to say "thanks for bailing out Matt, Sam. But he's been cleared and I know we just made a long term commitment to you that you earned, but.... see ya!". I was pumped when we Drafted him too. I bought a "Punt God" shirt from Buffalo Fanatics. Still have it. It's an unfortunate situation all the way around. But Matt Araiza won't be a Buffalo Bill. Here's hoping someone else who has an opening gives him a chance. We aren’t going to release Martin…. We’re going to get the NFL to give us an exemption so we can keep araiza and Martin. Cmon man. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: If Araiza was up front about what was going on and didn't hide it, he wouldn't have been Drafted in the first place by the Bills. This was yet another reason they let him go. This was hanging over his head and no one knew about it until it blew up. Then Beane was left holding the bag and looking bad. And it created a massive distraction to the team. The Bills don't owe him anything. Maybe they'll bring him into Camp and "do the right thing" in your eyes if he doesn't get an opportunity. But it would be a hollow invite as he wouldn't be the Punter of this team, unless Martin got hurt. Martin has a 2.4 million dollar cap hit if he's released this season. They aren't going to eat that and pay Araiza on top of it, for a position as negligible as Punter. They aren't going to say "thanks for bailing out Matt, Sam. But he's been cleared and I know we just made a long term commitment to you that you earned, but.... see ya!". I was pumped when we Drafted him too. I bought a "Punt God" shirt from Buffalo Fanatics. Still have it. It's an unfortunate situation all the way around. But Matt Araiza won't be a Buffalo Bill. Here's hoping someone else who has an opening gives him a chance. Right? It’s funny some want to correct a grave injustice to one guy by doing an injustice to another guy, who absolutely earned his job and his extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said: Right? It’s funny some want to correct a grave injustice to one guy by doing an injustice to another guy, who absolutely earned his job and his extension. Nobody is saying that. Put pressure on the NFL to give the Bills a roster exemption. Let Araiza stay on until Martin finishes out his contract and they both can punt during the season. Win win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said: All of these decisions solely rested on the shoulders of Beane, McD, and the owners. They brought him in here, and released him without due process. That’s it. They aren’t a court of law. They can’t send him to jail. None of us have ever received any due process in any of our jobs. 99% of us are at will employees and can be released at any time. What planet do you live on? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Just now, Mango said: They aren’t a court of law. They can’t send him to jail. None of us have ever received any due process in any of our jobs. 99% of us are at will employees and can be released at any time. What planet do you live on? No, but they can keep him employed until he is tried in court and arrested. You know like normal American expectations. At will employment is travesty in this regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Nobody is saying that. Put pressure on the NFL to give the Bills a roster exemption. Let Araiza stay on until Martin finishes out his contract and they both can punt during the season. Win win. I get it man. In a perfect world maybe that’s a feasible and equitable solution. It absolutely will not happen. If you want to start that pressure campaign on the league though, please do I’ll upvote it I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Nobody is saying that. Put pressure on the NFL to give the Bills a roster exemption. Let Araiza stay on until Martin finishes out his contract and they both can punt during the season. Win win. In what scenario does a team carry and pay two Punters for a job one barely does? This "pressure on the league for a roster exemption" and "fans fighting for justice" is so completely asinine. The Bills probably want nothing to do with him. He probably wants nothing to do with The Bills. The Bills aren't going to push for some magical exemption that doesn't exist. We won't carry two Punters. We aren't releasing Martin. Fans getting upset on a Message Board isn't going to make the Bills do anything. I get you're upset, but the situation just is what it is. No amount of being upset by it is going to change anything. Edited May 9, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said: All of these decisions solely rested on the shoulders of Beane, McD, and the owners. They brought him in here, and released him without due process. That’s it. I don't know how old you are or what kind of employment you've had, but I'm guessing pretty young an/or pretty limited. "Due process" is for courts Maybe for a few professions, like police officers, with powerful unions behind them, have a process around firing a union member What we have in the NFL is "employment at will". The team can release any player, at any time, for any reason. The league has clause in their CBA about not engaging in "conduct detrimental to the league", which is nice and vague and can be stretched in 100 directions. They drafted him because they thought he had talent and could help the team, despite ?? about his holding skills. They released him because he'd become a focal point for controversy, and the media shitstorm was going to be a massive distraction for the team. That falls under "conduct detrimental". They had no process which they were mandated to follow and didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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