Other than being a Ruuski

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Their rationalization as to why Putin wouldn't invade Ukraine while Trump was in office, considering he's a Russian stooge/puppet/asset/lover, was especially hilarious.

You and me, Doc.  I am no, 'their'. 
 

You're a 'Doc', so how can you lose/ ask me anything

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

The United States/West/NATO has continued to push their lines towards Russia since the break-up of the USSR... even after NATO said they wouldn't. Then we started sending arms to Ukraine well before the war started last year. It would be like Russia sending arms to Mexico and Russia establishing a foothold in that country... then eventually Canada (far fetched, but we're just throwing out examples).  

 

 

That's pretty much it but getting some people to understand what was a clearly articulated and understood position prior to the war is an exercise in futility.  As quoted in an acclaimed movie starring Paul Newman, "What we got here is a failure to communicate". 

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

That's pretty much it but getting some people to understand what was a clearly articulated and understood position prior to the war is an exercise in futility.  As quoted in an acclaimed movie starring Paul Newman, "What we got here is a failure to communicate". 

What we've got here is failure to communicate

Some men, you just can't reach

So you get what we had here last week

Which is the way he wants it

Well, he gets it

 

 

 

Its amazing how many times that song and movie line seem valid lately.

 

 

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

soon.  It's almost 5 here.  LI iced tea is the best buzz for the buck on board.

 

Which cruise line are you on?

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

15 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

The United States/West/NATO has continued to push their lines towards Russia since the break-up of the USSR... even after NATO said they wouldn't. Then we started sending arms to Ukraine well before the war started last year. It would be like Russia sending arms to Mexico and Russia establishing a foothold in that country... then eventually Canada (far fetched, but we're just throwing out examples).  

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

Oh, I'm sorry I hadn't realized that when a dictator becomes aggressive all around his sphere of influence that the United States and NATO should tuck their tails between their legs, get out of the way and apologize.  
 

Commie lover. (ArdmoreRyno)

 

7 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

BWHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

So I explain why Russia is doing what they are doing thus I'm a commie lover? Makes a lot of sense. 

 

Why don't you just ask: "Why is Russia doing what they are doing to Ukraine? If you answer anything other than 'RUSSIA IS SATAN!!!!', I'll call you a Commie/Putin lover"

 

You're pathetic. 

Yes, poor poor Vladimir Putin.  Makes me want to cry for him as he's been such a dear, loving friend to his neighbors.  He wants to re-engineer the USSR, and the former 'states' want nothing to do with it.  Those who are oblivious to history are just idiots with mouth-holes.  

you sound pretty defensive of Dearest Vlad. 

[ChiGoose]

23 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

The United States/West/NATO has continued to push their lines towards Russia since the break-up of the USSR... even after NATO said they wouldn't. Then we started sending arms to Ukraine well before the war started last year. It would be like Russia sending arms to Mexico and Russia establishing a foothold in that country... then eventually Canada (far fetched, but we're just throwing out examples).  

 

 

This explains why Russia just invaded Finland when it wanted to join NATO. Putin would want to prevent basically doubling the length of the Russian border with NATO countries. 
 

Oh wait…

[Tommy Callahan]

2 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

 

 

Yes, poor poor Vladimir Putin.  Makes me want to cry for him as he's been such a dear, loving friend to his neighbors.  He wants to re-engineer the USSR, and the former 'states' want nothing to do with it.  Those who are oblivious to history are just idiots with mouth-holes.  

you sound pretty defensive of Dearest Vlad. 

they do seem to be very tight with most of them, like CHINA and the countless others as russia has more land borders with other countries than any other nation.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borders_of_Russia#:~:text=Internationally recognized Country , Estonia–Russia border 13 more rows

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

Oh my God!  Finland!!!   We need to invade Guatalajara- STAT!

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:

This explains why Russia just invaded Finland when it wanted to join NATO. Putin would want to prevent basically doubling the length of the Russian border with NATO countries. 
 

Oh wait…

Crazy how all the rest of their neighbors get along.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

1 minute ago, Chris farley said:

they do seem to be very tight with most of them, like CHINA and the countless others as russia has more land borders with other countries than any other nation.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borders_of_Russia#:~:text=Internationally recognized Country , Estonia–Russia border 13 more rows

Who ***** cares- Putin is disgusting, and none of the former Soviet countries want anything to do with him- or your Mother Russia, farley. 

[Tommy Callahan]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  wow, when I didnt think the trolls could get any worse/generic^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

 

but Porland/ meth head in the avatar, kind of explains it.

 

 

Edited May 8, 2023 by Chris farley

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

Cheese n Rice, do they only spring for 1 emoji in rubles?

[Tommy Callahan]

^^^^^^^^^ example of cyber tweaking, probably scratching old scabs while typing ^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

 

 

Yes, poor poor Vladimir Putin.  Makes me want to cry for him as he's been such a dear, loving friend to his neighbors.  He wants to re-engineer the USSR, and the former 'states' want nothing to do with it.  Those who are oblivious to history are just idiots with mouth-holes.  

What history?  Lots of people make all kinds of references to similarities to the 1930's prior to World War Two and Hitler to justify the use of force without much thinking going into the decision.  The argument is we need to make sure the next Hitler is stopped.  But the future is uncertain and you can't be sure actions will lead to better or worse outcomes.  What if it leads to escalations that will end life on the planet? 

 

I'd also argue the current situation is more similar to around 1914 Pre-World War One.  Alliances and treaties requiring action triggered a world war because of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.  The killing of an Austrian figure who was no concern of the United States and much of Europe.  Nonetheless, war ensued with millions dead over one person's death which had no relevance to most.     

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

What history?  Lots of people make all kinds of references to similarities to the 1930's prior to World War Two and Hitler to justify the use of force without much thinking going into the decision.  The argument is we need to make sure the next Hitler is stopped.  But the future is uncertain and you can't be sure actions will lead to better or worse outcomes.  What if it leads to escalations that will end life on the planet? 

 

I'd also argue the current situation is more similar to around 1914 Pre-World War One.  Alliances and treaties requiring action triggered a world war because of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.  The killing of an Austrian figure who was no concern of the United States and much of Europe.  Nonetheless, war ensued with millions dead over one person's death which had no relevance to most.     

Seriously?  I think we're all pretty aware of who is in NATO... and the er, um, Warsaw Pact, bwahaha

Edited May 8, 2023 by BringMetheHeadofLeonLett

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

Not to be distracted by the Oingo Boingo, so... justify Russia's invasion of the independent nation, The Ukraine. 
 

So far, the best I've heard is WHY Putin would do it, but I haven't seen a single real justification. 
 

Were the Ukranian Jewish Nazi's about to take over Kamchatka?

[Tommy Callahan]

3 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

What history?  Lots of people make all kinds of references to similarities to the 1930's prior to World War Two and Hitler to justify the use of force without much thinking going into the decision.  The argument is we need to make sure the next Hitler is stopped.  But the future is uncertain and you can't be sure actions will lead to better or worse outcomes.  What if it leads to escalations that will end life on the planet? 

 

I'd also argue the current situation is more similar to around 1914 Pre-World War One.  Alliances and treaties requiring action triggered a world war because of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.  The killing of an Austrian figure who was no concern of the United States and much of Europe.  Nonetheless, war ensued with millions dead over one person's death which had no relevance to most.     

Good post. would add that between that and the Balkan wars, the ottoman empire no longer existed. 

 

Some argue that the Ottoman empire collapse started with the Crimean War of 1857. (Another interesting parallel)

 

Then it became a quazi Banker battle with Modern compounding interest banking power houses vs Islamic banking that has no compounding interest.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Bank

 

 

Crazy to hear the name Rothchild being involved back then as well.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

 

History just keeps repeating itself over and over again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

35 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

 

 

Yes, poor poor Vladimir Putin.  Makes me want to cry for him as he's been such a dear, loving friend to his neighbors.  He wants to re-engineer the USSR, and the former 'states' want nothing to do with it.  Those who are oblivious to history are just idiots with mouth-holes.  

you sound pretty defensive of Dearest Vlad. 

 

Dude, why did you bother to start this thread? 

 

I explained why I believe it happened. Your plan was to just try and insult people who didn't give you exactly what you wanted to hear? What a f'ing idiotic thing to do. 

 

31 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

This explains why Russia just invaded Finland when it wanted to join NATO. Putin would want to prevent basically doubling the length of the Russian border with NATO countries. 
 

Oh wait…

 

Finland was a founding member of the EU. Ukraine was not. Ukraine was also IN the USSR before the fall. Finland was not. 

Edited May 8, 2023 by ArdmoreRyno

[DrW]

9 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Finland was a founding member of the EU. Ukraine was not. 

 

This is incorrect. The EU was officially established in 1992 with the Maastricht Treaty. Finland joined in 1995.

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

And what part of the USSR is The Ukraine today?