Beck Water Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Shaw66 said: An excuse is an explanation that someone uses to absolve themselves or someone else of responsibility for what happened. No one is saying the Bills players aren't responsible for what they do - after all, they're the only ones who could play the game; all they're saying is that it's not surprising that these human beings found it hard to perform under the circumstances. It's not surprising, because our sense is that most people would have found it hard to perform. We all glorified Allen for playing well after his grandmother died. Why did we glorify him? Because we understand that emotionally stressful events make it difficult to perform at peak efficiency. It's hardly surprising that 100 human beings, collectively, found it difficult to perform at NFL playoff efficiency after having multiple deceased grandmothers in their previous eight months. I’ll also say this. There is a difference between one person in a group or organization undergoing an emotionally stressful event, and the whole organization suffering it. In the former case the rest of the organization can hold them up - surround them with support and cover for them if needed. I think the Bills did that for Knox the first month or so of the season. When the whole group underwent the same event, it’s a different situation. The Bills could have been energized and inspired collectively, but they weren’t. End of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Beck Water said: I’ll also say this. There is a difference between one person in a group or organization undergoing an emotionally stressful event, and the whole organization suffering it. In the former case the rest of the organization can hold them up - surround them with support and cover for them if needed. I think the Bills did that for Knox the first month or so of the season. When the whole group underwent the same event, it’s a different situation. The Bills could have been energized and inspired collectively, but they weren’t. End of story. A good explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 7 hours ago, Einstein said: Considering the reports are that the Chiefs were "frustrated" and "disappointed" by Orlando Brown... yeah, I do think they regret the trade. 2 years of mediocre-to-bad LT play, paying him top dollar one of those years, and then leaves. https://arrowheadaddict.com/2022/07/19/kc-chiefs-frustrated-disappointed-orlando-brown-jr/ Not only did you not read your own article, you didn’t even read the full headline. They weren’t disappointed in his play. They were disappointed that he turned down the 6 year, $139 million contract offer. Then they franchise tagged him. 8 months later, he made another Pro Bowl and won a Super Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Billl said: Not only did you not read your own article, you didn’t even read the full headline. They weren’t disappointed in his play. They were disappointed that he turned down the 6 year, $139 million contract offer. Then they franchise tagged him. 8 months later, he made another Pro Bowl and won a Super Bowl. I read it just fine. The point just flew over your head. They were upset that they couldn’t get him signed after giving up so much for him in draft picks. KC realized they got hosed. He was the worst LT in the playoffs last season giving up 11 pressures in 3 games. The Chiefs won the SB despite him. He ranges from average to suck. PS, the fact that Brown only got a 4 year, $68M contract in Cinci is another sign of how bad Andry Reid is at linemen. It’s his only downside. He is amazing at everything else. He offered the guy a 6 year, $139M deal. He was willing to pay a mediocre linemen tens of millions dollars more than he was worth. . Edited March 24, 2023 by Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 5 hours ago, Shaw66 said: An excuse is an explanation that someone uses to absolve themselves or someone else of responsibility for what happened. Which is exactly what people are doing with excusing the Cinci game away due to the Damar situation. We lost because Cinci is better. We looked flat because Cinci is better. We looked defeated because Cinci is better. And we looked shell shocked because every player knew there was nothing they could do because Cinci is better. I find blaming the loss on the Damar situation or any other external factor rather disgusting. Feels like a forum of wannabe psychologists pretending they’ve analyzed the situation and determined that the team was so deeply burdened by a player going down three weeks and two wins prior, that they simply couldn’t muster the will to go on. Bleh! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Einstein said: Which is exactly what people are doing with excusing the Cinci game away due to the Damar situation. We lost because Cinci is better. We looked flat because Cinci is better. We looked defeated because Cinci is better. And we looked shell shocked because every player knew there was nothing they could do because Cinci is better. I find blaming the loss on the Damar situation or any other external factor rather disgusting. Feels like a forum of wannabe psychologists pretending they’ve analyzed the situation and determined that the team was so deeply burdened by a player going down three weeks and two wins prior, that they simply couldn’t muster the will to go on. Bleh! I don't agree. There are four or five parts to every season. Preseason, Sept-Oct, Nov-Dec, end of season, playoffs. One thing that is always true is that the intensity and hitting ratchet up as you go through the various parts. Playoff football is incredibly intense and physical. If you don't match your opponents' intensity, you will not win. Intensity is an emotion. To be intense, you need to be in shape emotionally. The Bills were not in shape emotionally. That's what Saffold said after the game. Going into the Bengals game, they weren't emotionally ready in the exact same way a team isn't physically ready for a game if it has injuries. I'm not taking anything away from the Bengals; they were excellent. But the Bills simply weren't emotionally able to play with the necessary intensity. That's not an excuse; it's an explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Einstein said: Which is exactly what people are doing with excusing the Cinci game away due to the Damar situation. We lost because Cinci is better. We looked flat because Cinci is better. We looked defeated because Cinci is better. And we looked shell shocked because every player knew there was nothing they could do because Cinci is better. I find blaming the loss on the Damar situation or any other external factor rather disgusting. Feels like a forum of wannabe psychologists pretending they’ve analyzed the situation and determined that the team was so deeply burdened by a player going down three weeks and two wins prior, that they simply couldn’t muster the will to go on. Bleh! So you're a non-wannabe psychologist knowing that you've analyzed the situation and determined that the team could not be deeply burdened by a player going down three weeks and two wins prior that they simply couldn't muster the will to go on? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 29 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I don't agree. There are four or five parts to every season. Preseason, Sept-Oct, Nov-Dec, end of season, playoffs. One thing that is always true is that the intensity and hitting ratchet up as you go through the various parts. Playoff football is incredibly intense and physical. If you don't match your opponents' intensity, you will not win. Intensity is an emotion. To be intense, you need to be in shape emotionally. The Bills were not in shape emotionally. That's what Saffold said after the game. Going into the Bengals game, they weren't emotionally ready in the exact same way a team isn't physically ready for a game if it has injuries. I'm not taking anything away from the Bengals; they were excellent. But the Bills simply weren't emotionally able to play with the necessary intensity. That's not an excuse; it's an explanation. Before Damar was injured, in game 1, Cinci walked down the field and scored. Then got the ball back and was walking down the field again when Damar went down. We could not stop them. They were getting ready to blow our doors off with Damar playing! They’re just better right now. 26 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: So you're a non-wannabe psychologist knowing that you've analyzed the situation and determined that the team could not be deeply burdened by a player going down three weeks and two wins prior that they simply couldn't muster the will to go on? Nothing to do with psychology. It’s not difficult to see when one team is simply better than the other. Even going back to the first matchup that was cancelled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Einstein said: Before Damar was injured, in game 1, Cinci walked down the field and scored. Then got the ball back and was walking down the field again when Damar went down. We could not stop them. They were getting ready to blow our doors off with Damar playing! They’re just better right now. I've seen you selling this idea, and nobody is buying. Cinci is good, but the first game was far from over when Damar went down. I mean, I understand your point of view about this, and it may be right. But there is no way to prove it's right, no matter how many times you say it. Edited March 24, 2023 by Shaw66 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, Einstein said: Nothing to do with psychology. It’s not difficult to see when one team is simply better than the other. Even going back to the first matchup that was cancelled. Bolded is certainly true if you're prone to dismissing any other possible factors without any basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I've seen you selling this idea, and nobody is buying. Honestly I think there are quite a few people buying. I haven’t been the only one saying it. 12 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I mean, I understand your point of view about this, and it may be right. But there is no way to prove it's right, no matter how many times you say it. Agreed on that. But just as impossible to prove that external factors derailed the season. Best you’ll get is a player making an excuse because no player or coach is going to admit the other team was flat out better. Ego. . Edited March 24, 2023 by Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Andy Reid is a weak OL evaluator is just comical. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Reid was the GM from 2001-2012 too. He’s built strong lines in KC as well. The Super Bowl against the Bucs, 3 starters were out….3. There may not be a HC in the league that has development more OL talent in the league. “The Eagles have always had great defensive lines, but developing a quality o-line was critical for Reid and Joe Banner, who built those early playoff teams under Reid. Howie Roseman and Doug Pederson both learned under Big Red and share his philosophy and have continued to make the O-line a priority. The last 20 years, the Eagles have the No. 5 offense in the NFL and they’ve had an incredible 10 offensive linemen go to a total of 26 Pro Bowls, most in the NFL. In the last 20 years, Eagles offensive linemen have been picked to more Pro Bowl teams than in the previous 54 years combined in which there was a Pro Bowl or NFL all-star game.” https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/andy-reid-offensive-linemen-nfl-philosophy-howie-roseman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Reid was the GM from 2001-2012 too. He’s built strong lines in KC as well. The Super Bowl against the Bucs, 3 starters were out….3. How many of those 3 ever played another down in the NFL? I know the answer. The line was bad before they went down. Visit ChiefsPlanet and see for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Einstein said: How many of those 3 ever played another down in the NFL? I know the answer. The line was bad before they went down. Visit ChiefsPlanet and see for yourself. These were the starters missing. Eric Fisher was a starter for 8 years and was a #1 overall pick…he was a good player. He also tore his Achilles against the Bills in the AFCCG which is very hard to come back from for a 300 lbs guy. Mitchell Schwartz was a multiple All Pro 1st and 2nd team. He had multiple back issues, had surgery and then retired. Kelechi Oseleme was also an All Pro and retired after tearing BOTH knees. He was the second highest paid guard in the NFL when he signed his extension just two years earlier. You do not have a clue what you’re talking about….again. No comment on the article? Just gonna focus on the one Super Bowl missing 3 starters? That’s your entire evidence he can’t evaluate offensive line? LMFAO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: These were the starters missing. Eric Fisher was a starter for 8 years and was a #1 overall pick…he was a good player. He also tore his Achilles against the Bills in the AFCCG which is very hard to come back from for a 300 lbs guy. Mitchell Schwartz was a multiple All Pro 1st and 2nd team. He had multiple back issues, had surgery and then retired. Kelechi Oseleme was also an All Pro and retired after tearing BOTH knees. He was the second highest paid guard in the NFL when he signed his extension just two years earlier. You do not have a clue what you’re talking about….again. No comment on the article? Just gonna focus on the one Super Bowl missing 3 starters? That’s your entire evidence he can’t evaluate offensive line? LMFAO. Some vague comment in an article that Reid prioritized line? What’s their to say? That he was bad evaluating even as he priorities it? Chiefs have had a bottom 15 o-line for at least half of his years there. And how many of those 3 ever played another down in the NFL? I know the answer. The line was bad before they went down. . Edited March 24, 2023 by Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Einstein said: Some vague comment in an article that Reid prioritized line? What’s their to say? That he was bad evaluating even as he priorities it? Chiefs have had a bottom 15 o-line for at least half of his years there. And how many of those 3 ever played another down in the NFL? I know the answer. The line was bad before they went down. Why didn’t those 3 play again? You didn’t read the article. You are reaching so far lol. Edited March 24, 2023 by Royale with Cheese 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Why didn’t those 3 play again? You didn’t read the article. Osemele was toast by the time he joined the Chiefs. You mention his one all-pro year that happened on a completely different team. Not just his previous team, but his previous previous team. Several years before he was on the Chiefs, who picked him up after he was CUT by the Jets after one season. Or there is Mitchell Schwartz who was playing on a one year deal that season he got injured because he was toast too. . Edited March 24, 2023 by Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 30 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Andy Reid is a weak OL evaluator is just comical. Seriously! The Chiefs allowed no sacks in the SB against the NFL's best-pressure defense that led the league in sacks! KC ranked #4 behind the Eagles, Ravens, and Packers in the final offensive line rankings., The best player graded overall was KC Center, Creed Humphrey. Buffalo was ranked #23? Buffalo GM Beane needs to take a long hard look at his O-line scouts for some of the things they have done over the seasons. Build that Buffalo offensive line into a top 5 unit! That Cincy game just got away from Buffalo quickly...against a decimated Buffalo defense, no Von equals not much pressure on the QB and a wrecked secondary. Then, the Buffalo offense depended on the QB to win the game who was under constant pressure...again! Along with very little run game...again! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Einstein said: Osemele was toast by the time he joined the Chiefs. You mention his one all-pro year that happened on a completely different team. Not just his previous team, but his previous previous team. Several years before he was on the Chiefs, who picked him up after he was CUT by the Jets after one season. The Bengals are better than the Bills The Bengals are better than the Bills The Bengals are better than the Bills The Bengals are better than the Bills The Bengals are better than the Bills The Bengals are better than the Bills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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