JDHillFan Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 minute ago, B-Man said: How could anyone be so irresponsible ?? Yes but this decent man cooperated in turning over the documents he had in his possession since at least 2008 and he takes it all very seriously. Let’s move on already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 51 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I feel like lately, I’ve been smoking your arguments that major political players were unlikely to have these types of documents in their possession, and that Biden by refusing to comply with laws since the time he was vice president oops senator was fully cooperating with the DOJ. Well, you’re very much misconstruing my arguments, but no surprises there. Just par for the course here on PPP. Biden having the documents is bad. But what separates his case from Trump’s is that when the documents were discovered, he immediately notified authorities and turned them in before launching a search to see if there were more. In fact, it appears that they even had the DoJ come in and conduct a search. If it comes out through the investigation that Biden was aware of the documents the whole time, that changes things. But there’s no evidence of that so far, just rampant speculation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share Posted January 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Well, you’re very much misconstruing my arguments, but no surprises there. Just par for the course here on PPP. Biden having the documents is bad. But what separates his case from Trump’s is that when the documents were discovered, he immediately notified authorities and turned them in before launching a search to see if there were more. In fact, it appears that they even had the DoJ come in and conduct a search. If it comes out through the investigation that Biden was aware of the documents the whole time, that changes things. But there’s no evidence of that so far, just rampant speculation. Turned them in immediately and then tried to keep the news from seeing the light of day. Logic, your self-described speciality, tells us that Biden was most likely unaware that he had classified documents in his possession since at least 2008. Do I have that right? Or perhaps that “logic” is more like rampant speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 minute ago, JDHillFan said: Turned them in immediately and then tried to keep the news from seeing the light of day. Logic, your self-described speciality, tells us that Biden was most likely unaware that he had classified documents in his possession since at least 2008. Do I have that right? Or perhaps that “logic” is more like rampant speculation. I think it’s more likely that the spillage was accidental and only recently discovered than Biden taking them intentionally and then suddenly deciding he wanted to get in trouble and telling on himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Well, you’re very much misconstruing my arguments, but no surprises there. Just par for the course here on PPP. Biden having the documents is bad. But what separates his case from Trump’s is that when the documents were discovered, he immediately notified authorities and turned them in before launching a search to see if there were more. In fact, it appears that they even had the DoJ come in and conduct a search. If it comes out through the investigation that Biden was aware of the documents the whole time, that changes things. But there’s no evidence of that so far, just rampant speculation. Nah, I am not misconstruing anything. You’re a loyalist, even as the additional documents are discovered, even as Biden and his team failed to provide an accurate accounting of what he had in his possession and from whence it came, even as we discover he’s possessed documents from decades back. He’s apparently entered into the ratified air where folks during his senate run were in on it, too. Decades of time in the game but no accountability. Just read “spillage” from your last comment. You’ve gone from being pretty certain polis don’t have an issue with taking top secret material to adopting the most recent buzzword to describe polis doing just that. 🤣 Edited January 22, 2023 by leh-nerd skin-erd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Nah, I am not misconstruing anything. You’re a loyalist, even as the additional documents are discovered, even as Biden and his team failed to provide an accurate accounting of what he had in his possession and from whence it came, even as we discover he’s possessed documents from decades back. He’s apparently entered into the ratified air where folks during his senate run were in on it, too. Decades of time in the game but no accountability. WTF are you even talking about? He handed the documents over to the DoJ; searched his properties and found more documents and handed them over; voluntarily had the DoJ come in and search to ensure they got everything. Sure, his public messaging hasn’t been good but his actions are what you would expect for someone who was cooperating. BTW: the only reason Trump is in any trouble is because he’s an idiot. If he just did what Biden is doing, he’d be in the same position as Biden in not catching a charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share Posted January 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: I think it’s more likely that the spillage was accidental and only recently discovered than Biden taking them intentionally and then suddenly deciding he wanted to get in trouble and telling on himself. Repeated accidental spillage spanning many years. So long as you believe it. Any thoughts on how the documents “spilled” out of a SCIF? Seems like something that would be more intentional than accidental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 This gets worse for Joke by the day. The same for his corrupt Admin for not raiding his homes when the first batch was found, much less weeks ago when the 2nd was found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Repeated accidental spillage spanning many years. So long as you believe it. Any thoughts on how the documents “spilled” out of a SCIF? Seems like something that would be more intentional than accidental. That’s a good question for the special counsel. If I had to guess, the documents were accidentally packed with his things when leaving the White House. It seems the controls around this transition are broken since Trump was able to do it too. Do you think this was all intentional and he had been getting away with it so much that he suddenly decided he wanted to get in trouble so he went public? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share Posted January 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: That’s a good question for the special counsel. If I had to guess, the documents were accidentally packed with his things when leaving the White House. It seems the controls around this transition are broken since Trump was able to do it too. Do you think this was all intentional and he had been getting away with it so much that he suddenly decided he wanted to get in trouble so he went public? https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/05/the-rooms-where-congress-keeps-its-secrets/451554/ Do you think the documents he has possessed since his SENATE days accidentally fell into his pocket while in a SCIF? Wouldn’t intent be required to remove them from a SCIF? Rhetorical question. Occam’s razor and whatnot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: That’s a good question for the special counsel. If I had to guess, the documents were accidentally packed with his things when leaving the White House. It seems the controls around this transition are broken since Trump was able to do it too. Do you think this was all intentional and he had been getting away with it so much that he suddenly decided he wanted to get in trouble so he went public? There you go again. Bending over backwards while hand waving to give the benefit of the doubt no matter what. I wonder if you did this for the GOP when you belonged to that party? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 15 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: WTF are you even talking about? He handed the documents over to the DoJ; searched his properties and found more documents and handed them over; voluntarily had the DoJ come in and search to ensure they got everything. Sure, his public messaging hasn’t been good but his actions are what you would expect for someone who was cooperating. BTW: the only reason Trump is in any trouble is because he’s an idiot. If he just did what Biden is doing, he’d be in the same position as Biden in not catching a charge. What am I talking about? I’m talking about Joe Biden, your comments generally on issues involving politicians taking classified material, and the situation that’s unfolding. You seem hyper fixated on Trump, and I believe I know why, but don’t believe you see it. Btw, with reports that he’s apparently held classified documents since he was a Senator, the most likely scenario is he has engaged in a pattern of breaking the law over at least the last couple decades. We keep flipping the coin—maybe it was staffers, maybe it was his attorney, maybe it was the UPS guy—but when that coin lands, it still reveals the face of Joe Biden. How many time does he tell you “It wasn’t me!” before you see the pattern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said: Perhaps you can explain, without deflecting, why you admitting that you do indeed support an organization run by communists makes ME "butt-hurt"? just playin. ignore me. Had to read it twice. I thought you wrote support group. Edited January 22, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Doc said: This gets worse for Joke by the day. The same for his corrupt Admin for not raiding his homes when the first batch was found, much less weeks ago when the 2nd was found. A lot doesn't"t add up here for me. Call me skeptical. Biden left office about 5 years and 9 months ago. Nobody knew he took documents, nobody was looking for them, and nobody knew he had them, or where they were. Then somebody decided to do some Fall cleaning in the garage and ran across some files. Then contacted authorities. You can play the honesty angle, but given the circumstances the easiest thing would have been shred them and avoid any commotion. As I believe nothing is a coincidence I'm left wondering if Joe's handlers behind the scenes decided it's time for him to go and put all this in motion. If it's me and I find something of great value or confidential from my previous job of 6 years ago and nobody else in the world knows about it I just forget about or dispose of it and and avoid any potential problem for myself. There's more to the story here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said: A lot doesn't"t add up here for me. Call me skeptical. Biden left office about 5 years and 9 months ago. Nobody knew he took documents, nobody was looking for them, and nobody knew he had them, or where they were. Then somebody decided to do some Fall cleaning in the garage and ran across some files. Then contacted authorities. You can play the honesty angle, but given the circumstances the easiest thing would have been shred them and avoid any commotion. As I believe nothing is a coincidence I'm left wondering if Joe's handlers behind the scenes decided it's time for him to go and put all this in motion. If it's me and I find something of great value or confidential from my previous job of 6 years ago and nobody else in the world knows about it I just forget about or dispose of it and and avoid any potential problem for myself. There's more to the story here. I agree. No one would have been the wiser. They want him out. And they'll keep planting docs until he agrees not to run again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 It’s Over, Joe: New York Times Throws Joe Biden Under the Bus. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/robert-spencer/2023/01/21/its-over-joe-new-york-times-throws-joe-biden-under-the-bus-n1663747 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Doc said: I agree. No one would have been the wiser. They want him out. And they'll keep planting docs until he agrees not to run again. and when he can't run again because of classified docs...guess who else cant? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 28 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: and when he can't run again because of classified docs...guess who else cant? Yeah but they should want him to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 10 hours ago, BillStime said: 🎯 Biden should just replay Trumps “tweets” and public comments regarding the docs. Makes sense, right? If its alright for President Trump to do its alright for President Biden to do. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: If its alright for President Trump to do its alright for President Biden to do. Right? Act like a child? Sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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