Week 17: Bills at Bengals on MNF

[Caesar]

3 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I think if Cinci only rushes 3 then Josh will tear them up on the ground himself. I dont think they can play us like they play the Chiefs.

Umm not really, they always have a spy, sometimes 2, when rushing 3.  Bengals play Lamar twice every year, they know how to scheme a running QB.  Josh is an animal, be interesting to see how they do.

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, Caesar said:

Umm not really, they always have a spy, sometimes 2, when rushing 3.  Bengals play Lamar twice every year, they know how to scheme a running QB.  Josh is an animal, be interesting to see how they do.

 

I take it you are a bengals fan?  If so, welcome.  I like the Bengals anytime they arent playing Buffalo.  This is going to be a good game for sure.  Playoff like game.  Lamar and Allen run styles are different.  Allen can also sling it anywhere on the field.  Lamar can not.

[Rockinon]

Just now, Patrick Duffy said:

 

You can't play action pass when you're not running the ball. That's why I said Bills just need to run the ball well enough to open those pass plays. 

Cincy has been burnt bad with play action passes on 1st down by many teams this year. Allen is very good at it too. The run isn't necessarily needed to set up those passes. I do think Buffalo, now that the OL is healthy, puts 6 OLmen on the field and tests that run D of theirs. You'll also see Buffalo run the ball out of a spread formation like Chan Gailey used to do. The Bills have been working in some new wrinkles recently.

[Caesar]

3 hours ago, major said:

The bengals have lost their minds!! No one in today’s nfl talks this kind of trash (for a reason). We are

picked to win the Super Bowl because we are that good. Time for us to run up the score on these pretenders 

Jeeeeez, so much fragility here.   Read what Mixon said in full context.  Bills players will not have their feelings hurt... stop letting the media control your emotions with partial quotes.

 

Here are his exact quotes:

"At the end of the day, what people got to realize and understand, we the big dog of the AFC and that's just what it is," Mixon said after Saturday's practice. "For anything to happen, it goes through us."
 

"We know what our end goal is and in order to get to that end goal we got to get through Buffalo," Mixon said. "We got to keep one week at a time and everything else take care of itself."
 

Mixon praised Tremaine Edmunds and Matt Milano but added that "they're not the [Baltimore] Ravens."

"The best thing about is they're going to have to play us honest," Mixon said. "If you want to cheat, whatever you want to do, we're going to make you pay, whichever way you want to do it. That's on you, however y'all want to play it.

"But at the same time, we're going to play our game and we're not going to let nobody dictate what we wanna do. That's just what it's going to be."

"The Bills, what better team would you be able to go up and put your best against?" Mixon said. "It's a great opportunity for us, but at the same time I know our guys, we [are] ready."


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35353953/big-dog-afc


This is not remotely close to the Chief's safety  "saying he didnt know our players names but they would all be shut down."

 

[chongli]

 

[nbbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Special K said:

 

I’m not sure......do you agree or not??😀

Wow not sure how that happened 

[Caesar]

3 hours ago, boyst said:

I dont see a shoot out. I either see a heavy loss on our team because of mistakes and lack of separation combined with Allen mistakes. Their DL always gives us a rough time. Always. It won't be any different.

 

But I fully expect our defense to school them. They're not like Miami with timing routes and heavy traffic. They're more like having a few Gabe Daviseseses as well. Boyd is what John Brown was. Nothing more. Nothing less. Chase can't run a full route tree and could be taken out by tough coverage, pressing play and I expect Elam to be a good match. Higgins is as effective for them as Gabe Davis is for us. He can show up or he can flop but consistency he is nop.

 

I'd take the matchup of their RBs ( Mixon and whoever else, Parine?) Against Hamlin, Milano and Settle any day. Just like we don't know their team, and let's be honest - no one needs to know the Bengles or even how to spell that team... They don't know who we are. They will read articles that White is playing poorly and slow - he is. He's also mauling offenders. What this comes down to is keeping them having to go to the air a lot. Keeping them from controlling the clock so we can control it.

 

We finish this game with execution and commitment to the run early. We end the game out running them by over 80 yards - which they'll throw up 80+ to us. I imagine they get 50+ yards running in the first half, but sub 20 in the 4th. They can't stick to the run and short of a busted play it won't matter.

 

Burrow throws 350 yards and a couple of touchdowns. He draws the praises of whoever the lowIQ commentators are to lap up all that kittens milk. Burrow will likely finish the game prettier on paper as a passer than Allen but Allen pulls the W thanks to a defense that bends all night. 

 

Final:

Buffalo 24

Cinci 16

 

Reserved to change until I see our ref team.  Anyone know? 

Is this satire?

"They're not like Miami with timing routes".   90% of the Bengals passing offense is timing routes, Burrow has the second fastest release by 1/10th of a second to Brady for a reason.

"They're more like having a few Gabe Daviseseses as well."  Bengals have the best WR room in the NFL.

"Chase can't run a full route tree and could be taken out by tough coverage".   Chase is an elite route runner, touted as the best  in a long time coming out of college.  You think Chase doesn't get "tough coverage" every game?

"Higgins is as effective for them as Gabe Davis is for us."   Tee already has over 1000 yds receiving this season.  He is rated as a #1 receiver, while many here do not consider Gabe a solid #2....

Did I just fall for a satire post?

13 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I take it you are a bengals fan?  If so, welcome.  I like the Bengals anytime they arent playing Buffalo.  This is going to be a good game for sure.  Playoff like game.  Lamar and Allen run styles are different.  Allen can also sling it anywhere on the field.  Lamar can not.

Yes, Bengals fan here.  Our fanbase has always like the Bills.  I see a lot of hate here though... big game and potential rivalry does that I guess?   

No doubt Lamar and Josh have different styles, but containing the pocket and spying is the same concept on D.  We are terrible on QB run design plays, way worse than scrambles.  This will e a huge test for the Bengals.  Biggest game of the season.  I'll be there Monday, should be a great one.

[Logic]

23 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

You can't play action pass when you're not running the ball. 

Yes you can.

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/rushing-success-and-play-action-passing

 

https://weeklyspiral.com/2021/10/29/play-action-passing-is-the-best-play-in-football/

 

 

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/18/nfl-analytics-study-running-the-ball-play-action-success-mike-mccarthy-dallas-cowboys/
 

 

 

[Caesar]

2 hours ago, nbbillsfan said:

It’s like the bengals were coached up to disrespect the bills. They think it’ll get in the players heads and take them off their game?

 

2 hours ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

It's kinda weird isn't it....I don't recall these types of statements before their game vs KC. And yet they haven't played the Bills in quite a while to know enough about Bills. Certainly not enough to say some of these things....at least that's what I think

Seriously?  Read the article with some context not just hot takes to piss off fans.  KC provided real bulletin board material before our game.

"in order to get to that end goal we got to get through Buffalo"

"Mixon praised Tremaine Edmunds and Matt Milano"

"The Bills, what better team would you be able to go up and put your best against?" Mixon said. "It's a great opportunity for us

http:// https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35353953/big-dog-afc

[Scott7975]

5 minutes ago, Caesar said:

 

Yes, Bengals fan here.  Our fanbase has always like the Bills.  I see a lot of hate here though... big game and potential rivalry does that I guess?   

No doubt Lamar and Josh have different styles, but containing the pocket and spying is the same concept on D.  We are terrible on QB run design plays, way worse than scrambles.  This will e a huge test for the Bengals.  Biggest game of the season.  I'll be there Monday, should be a great one.

 

I dont think there is any hate really.  Some people don't like trash like talk.  Personally I dont mind when a good team has some moxy to them.  Has to be respectful though.  There did seem to be a little disrespect but it doesnt bother me.  Players will talk on the field.

 

Lucky, I wish I could be there.

[Caesar]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I dont think there is any hate really.  Some people don't like trash like talk.  Personally I dont mind when a good team has some moxy to them.  Has to be respectful though.  There did seem to be a little disrespect but it doesnt bother me.  Players will talk on the field.

 

Lucky, I wish I could be there.

They pulled specific partial quotes to get fans worked up heres the link.  Every player said respectful things about the Bills, they know how good you guys are.  Also, keep in mind that Mixon is not in the upper tier of intelligence .....

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35353953/big-dog-afc

[Caesar]

44 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

No way we are running straight into the teeth of that front. Play action passes over the middle intermediate depth. Greg Cosell says Knox is the man to watch. I think Diggs may have a big game. 

Bengals are not good with designed QB runs, smash mouth will not work with Reader & Hill (Chubb & Henry didnt get 50 yds).  Also concerned about play action with the rookie CB, only played in a handful of games.  Bills will be very tough for the Bengals on both sides of the ball.

[Patrick Duffy]

5 minutes ago, Logic said:

Yes you can.

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/rushing-success-and-play-action-passing

 

https://weeklyspiral.com/2021/10/29/play-action-passing-is-the-best-play-in-football/

 

 

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/18/nfl-analytics-study-running-the-ball-play-action-success-mike-mccarthy-dallas-cowboys/
 

 

 

 

I guess I should have worded differently. Yes you can obviously, but I was meaning more along the lines of play action pass has much better chance to succeed when you have success running the ball than if not.

 

Wouldn't you agree?

[Chaos]

Both teams are very talented with elite QBs.   The team with the better game day coaching will win the game. 

[Caesar]

2 hours ago, nbbillsfan said:

It’s like the bengals were coached up to disrespect the bills. They think it’ll get in the players heads and take them off their game?

What?
 

[Patrick Duffy]

11 minutes ago, Caesar said:

 

Seriously?  Read the article with some context not just hot takes to piss off fans.  KC provided real bulletin board material before our game.

"in order to get to that end goal we got to get through Buffalo"

"Mixon praised Tremaine Edmunds and Matt Milano"

"The Bills, what better team would you be able to go up and put your best against?" Mixon said. "It's a great opportunity for us

http:// https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35353953/big-dog-afc

 

Yeah seriously....and I'm not in any way a "pissed off fan". Couple of things said from Mixon and Boyd were not exactly "bulletin board material"  etc....It's was worded in a manner that "I'm kinda gona half-assed compliment you, but also make it clear I don't really respect you all that much"

 

It's enough that will make people feel like, "seems like it's not going to be all that hard to make plays on Bills D" amount of respect. 

[Caesar]

11 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

Yeah seriously....and I'm not in any way a "pissed off fan". Couple of things said from Mixon and Boyd were not exactly "bulletin board material"  etc....It's was worded in a manner that "I'm kinda gona half-assed compliment you, but also make it clear I don't really respect you all that much"

 

It's enough that will make people feel like, "seems like it's not going to be all that hard to make plays on Bills D" amount of respect. 

As a fan that watches and reads everything, all of the talk this week has been very respectful towards the Bills.   Everyone knows how good your team is, also Joe and Josh are friends.

KC safety seriously trash talked us and not one player of ours said a word.

Here is a question for you... do you guys want to pay us back on Monday for that win vs the Ravens in 2017 or wait until the playoffs?

[Bimmer323i]

According to Joe Mixin the 11-4 3rd seed Bengals are the big dogs of the AFC and for anything that happens it’s gonna go through them… I didn’t know that… Did any of you guys know this????

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, Caesar said:

As a fan that watches and reads everything, all of the talk this week has been very respectful towards the Bills.   Everyone knows how good your team is, also Joe and Josh are friends.

KC safety seriously trash talked us and not one player of ours said a word.

Here is a question for you... do you guys want to pay us back on Monday for that win vs the Ravens in 2017 or wait until the playoffs?

Pay what back? I'm not following you here...I wasn't under the impression any kind of "pay back" was needed 

[Big Turk]

8 hours ago, SCBills said:

Love the narrative floating around the talking heads that Cinci is the most balanced contender.  
 

Why?

 

Bills passing game is on par. 
 

Bills run game is far superior. 
 

Bills defense is better.  
 

How, exactly, does that make Cinci the most balanced team?

 

They can simply say they trust Burrow and WR’s more, and ok.. we shall see.  But no need to invent narratives. 
 

 

Our special teams are also miles better.