Tom MacDonald

[L Ron Burgundy]

6 hours ago, Buffarukus said:

 

this is interesting. i think your a reasonable poster but not sure whether you truly believe what you are saying or purposefully framing your "facts" in a way that make it seem as there are not some legitimate arguments. after watching (mostly the left) REPEATEDLY be suckered into complete bs that has resulted in destruction of our economy and society id ask you to at least take one foot off the soapbox. 

 

you act as if the left wasn't in full blown tyranny mode during covid. pushing flat out lie after lie to keep society under strict control. the vax prevents hospitalization "fact" is true....FOR WHO!!!!? for children that the cdc just said should be on a vax schedule yet have virtually zero risk? for people who already had covid and have gained better longer lasting immunity? no, only for high risk which no one really disputed. but strange how the facts leftists push seemed to coincide with pharma and rich making billions off it. but goose gives a blanket fact so pay up for life.... or your crazy! 🤪

 

not a long time ago it was FACT vaccines stop the spread as well. a FACT lockdowns are great for curves and the economy can easily withstand indefinite lockdowns. a FACT that the states that let you choose are doomed and walmart is much safer then teds convience store. that rotting in your aprt is far better then taking a walk in the park. PADLOCK IT! stay inside, wait patiently for the gov to give you free money and shutup you evil sob or we will take your job and remove you from society!! damn conspiracy nuts are not listening to all these FACTS! 

 

election legitimacy? trump and biden won is a fact you say? no argument here. i find it funny how only one of the 2 had states who decided, AGAINST their own cdc guidance that voting must be conducted much differently then the way it was always done. yet both had leaders declaring them. only one faced all these interesting changes. but you think people watching these "emergency" changes and then becoming skeptical is "them being stupid"? the party that advocates for no voter IDs and reducing security is completely incapable of fraud and questioning them is participating in conspiracy? even as proof was given in their own primaries they are capable and willing? even as Rs who instituted security measures in georgia are clearly implementing suppression. Jim crow 2.0. no engaging in conspiracy there. whats that? the voting total is highest its ever been? but, its was a fact to these people who are well versed in what should be questioned.  

 

the rest your being extremely hyperbolic but unsurprisingly biased in your conspiracy subjects. i havent seen much from the moon landing crowd in here but i have seen plenty of burning down cities and defunding police is a good thing in the fight against racism.  some biden is much better then the alternative while they can not name a single thing his policies have done that have improved their personal lives. plenty about womens rights  even if they cant define it. ect ect. those are some pretty good conspiracy subjects that society is currently enduring the negative effects from. those are mainstream to the party. naming powerful dems being behind things ( in a party with majority rule) are pretty bad examples of way out there conspiracies to be tossed aside imo.

 

so 2+2= the banana the left is continuosly slipping on. and yet they are still screaming whoever isn't on the floor next to them are "betraying our own ignorance".

 

 

Just regarding covid.  The dems followed guidance by the cdc.  This control nonsense is just ignorant.   What would the point of this control be?  Answer is nothing.  They went by what they were told to which was very predictably overly cautious.   Not the least shocking (assuming of course you have half a brain).

 

Ohhhh they want to control you because of.....uhhh socialism!  No, I mean communism!  

 

Also, what cities got burned down I missed that?  Or is that you being ultra hyperbolic while accusing someone of hyperbole?   Irony.

[Orlando Tim]

20 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

The majority of people got Trump winning wrong on both sides (the first time at least).  What in the world is your point?  Kindly take a peep at the Flyndicated topic or 2000 mules.  Or the people who believe antifa instigated 1/6.  Talk about wrong. 

 

He called those that disagree with him ignorant despite many of us being much better at making predictions. As for 1/6, do you still believe that the govt was shocked it happened and that they denied extra security because there were no indication that people would try to enter the Capitol?

[ChiGoose]

6 hours ago, Buffarukus said:

 

this is interesting. i think your a reasonable poster but not sure whether you truly believe what you are saying or purposefully framing your "facts" in a way that make it seem as there are not some legitimate arguments. after watching (mostly the left) REPEATEDLY be suckered into complete bs that has resulted in destruction of our economy and society id ask you to at least take one foot off the soapbox. 

 

you act as if the left wasn't in full blown tyranny mode during covid. pushing flat out lie after lie to keep society under strict control. the vax prevents hospitalization "fact" is true....FOR WHO!!!!? for children that the cdc just said should be on a vax schedule yet have virtually zero risk? for people who already had covid and have gained better longer lasting immunity? no, only for high risk which no one really disputed. but strange how the facts leftists push seemed to coincide with pharma and rich making billions off it. but goose gives a blanket fact so pay up for life.... or your crazy! 🤪

 

not a long time ago it was FACT vaccines stop the spread as well. a FACT lockdowns are great for curves and the economy can easily withstand indefinite lockdowns. a FACT that the states that let you choose are doomed and walmart is much safer then teds convience store. that rotting in your aprt is far better then taking a walk in the park. PADLOCK IT! stay inside, wait patiently for the gov to give you free money and shutup you evil sob or we will take your job and remove you from society!! damn conspiracy nuts are not listening to all these FACTS! 

 

election legitimacy? trump and biden won is a fact you say? no argument here. i find it funny how only one of the 2 had states who decided, AGAINST their own cdc guidance that voting must be conducted much differently then the way it was always done. yet both had leaders declaring them. only one faced all these interesting changes. but you think people watching these "emergency" changes and then becoming skeptical is "them being stupid"? the party that advocates for no voter IDs and reducing security is completely incapable of fraud and questioning them is participating in conspiracy? even as proof was given in their own primaries they are capable and willing? even as Rs who instituted security measures in georgia are clearly implementing suppression. Jim crow 2.0. no engaging in conspiracy there. whats that? the voting total is highest its ever been? but, its was a fact to these people who are well versed in what should be questioned.  

 

the rest your being extremely hyperbolic but unsurprisingly biased in your conspiracy subjects. i havent seen much from the moon landing crowd in here but i have seen plenty of burning down cities and defunding police is a good thing in the fight against racism.  some biden is much better then the alternative while they can not name a single thing his policies have done that have improved their personal lives. plenty about womens rights  even if they cant define it. ect ect. those are some pretty good conspiracy subjects that society is currently enduring the negative effects from. those are mainstream to the party. naming powerful dems being behind things ( in a party with majority rule) are pretty bad examples of way out there conspiracies to be tossed aside imo.

 

so 2+2= the banana the left is continuosly slipping on. and yet they are still screaming whoever isn't on the floor next to them are "betraying our own ignorance".

 

 

Pop a Xanax, log off and go outside for a bit. The internet is rotting your brain. 

[BillsFanNC]

Welcome back @ChiGoose

 

Seriously. 

 

Laughter is indeed great medicine.

 

As I've stated before, being branded ignorant by the likes of you is a badge of honor.

 

 

[Buffarukus]

16 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Pop a Xanax, log off and go outside for a bit. The internet is rotting your brain. 

 

that's it? not suprising, which is why i dont post here much anymore. not alot of thoughtful debate from the opposition. ive been outside alot acctually which is why i see things a bit more concerning then moon landings and soros cabals. im talking to people about prices and hard choices being made. when your out there do yourself a favor. do a bit more then stare at the clouds and you might see the topics i brought up are not so easily dismissed as "brain rot".

 

 

[ChiGoose]

2 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

that's it? not suprising, which is why i dont post here much anymore. not alot of thoughtful debate from the opposition. ive been outside alot acctually which is why i see things a bit more concerning then moon landings and soros cabals. im talking to people about prices and hard choices being made. when your out there do yourself a favor. do a bit more then stare at the clouds and you might see the topics i brought up are not so easily dismissed as "brain rot".

 

 

You posted a lengthy screed full of straw man arguments and fallacies. Why am I obligated to respond point by point?

[BillsFanNC]

13 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

The following things are true and anyone who disagrees is not expressing an opinion but actually betraying their own ignorance:

 

- Trump won the 2016 election

- Biden won the 2020 election

- The Russia investigation was not a hoax

- COVID is not a hoax

- Getting a COVID vaccine reduces your chances of severe COVID or hospitalization

- JFK Jr. is dead. He’s not coming back to take the presidency.

- QAnon is a hoax (and we likely know who is currently posting under that identity)

- The moon landing was real

- George Soros isn’t secretly behind everything

- Hillary Clinton isn’t secretly behind everything

- Barack Obama isn’t secretly behind everything 

- Hillary Clinton didn’t have Seth Rich murdered

 

These are all facts and despite that, the majority of posters on this board disagree with at least one of them. That’s not them expressing an opinion, it’s them being stupid. It’s like saying 2+2=Banana. But for some reason, about 90% of the people on PPP believe 2+2=Banana and try to “own” anyone who disagrees. 

 

Great list.

 

Now where do you stand on Joe Biden's dementia?

 

Real or hoax?

[Brueggs]

17 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

There's plausibility to maybe 10% of it.  The rest is Jewish space lasers.  And that is your party.  I realize many conservatives aren't MTG style.   But many also are, and it's more every day.

 

Compare blue cities and states to red?  You mean how most red states are poor uneducated crap stains and rarely improve?  Yeah blue states have some major problems (a non crazy right would help there imo).   It's also where most of the money and brains in our country is/come from.

 

Just because fox says all progressives are nuts doesn't make it true.  On the flip side most of you are batshiite.  Very few right leaning posters haven't seriously entertained crazy conspiracies here.  Very few.  The voting stuff is THE perfect example.

 

What examples are there of crazy progressive policies has Biden implemented?   None.  Loan forgiveness?  Nah.  The progressive scare is fox inspired BS you sheeple fall for.  The ultra progressives are just loud.  Qanon freaks meanwhile are 10x more of a threat.  That along with the treasonous morons that tried an idiot coup.  

 

It's not even close.  The right at this moment is a joke.  Both sided are worse because of it. 

So red states are poor uneducated crap stains....got it.  I guess the nation doesn't really need farmers and blue collar sorts to survive.  

I will give you that the blue states are where the money is, but brains?  Virtually every blue city across the country, where all these smart people are, have budget deficits and have to be bailed out by state or federal government.  NYC is a great example of that.  

 

In Biden's first few days alone...

Re-entered Paris Climate Accord

Cut Keystone pipeline

Halted leasing in ANWAR

60 day halt on all oil and gas leases

New regulations on emmissions

Eliminate support for fossil fuel

I know, I know...the president doesn't control the price of fuel, but these changes triggered high fuel prices and quite literally the cost of all goods that are transported on diesel trucks, which is pretty much everything.

 

Is the handling of the border even debatable?

 

Loan forgiveness?  Wouldn't a better solution be to make education more affordable?  

 

We are getting to the point of 80's inflation, men are playing in woman's sports, and we aren't even half way in.  

Where is the criticism for your party?  

[BillsFanNC]

8 minutes ago, Brueggs said:

So red states are poor uneducated crap stains....got it.  I guess the nation doesn't really need farmers and blue collar sorts to survive.  

I will give you that the blue states are where the money is, but brains?  Virtually every blue city across the country, where all these smart people are, have budget deficits and have to be bailed out by state or federal government.  NYC is a great example of that.  

 

In Biden's first few days alone...

Re-entered Paris Climate Accord

Cut Keystone pipeline

Halted leasing in ANWAR

60 day halt on all oil and gas leases

New regulations on emmissions

Eliminate support for fossil fuel

I know, I know...the president doesn't control the price of fuel, but these changes triggered high fuel prices and quite literally the cost of all goods that are transported on diesel trucks, which is pretty much everything.

 

Is the handling of the border even debatable?

 

Loan forgiveness?  Wouldn't a better solution be to make education more affordable?  

 

We are getting to the point of 80's inflation, men are playing in woman's sports, and we aren't even half way in.  

Where is the criticism for your party?  

 

Clown world. Not only won't there be criticism, they will defend the actions of the very clowns responsible for the clown world we live in.

 

[Buffarukus]

51 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

You posted a lengthy screed full of straw man arguments and fallacies. Why am I obligated to respond point by point?

 

your not obligated. i do not expect much from the left on here which is why i rarely post. you brought up a few right wing stereo typical conspiracies you see on this board. obama is behind everything. clinton is behind everything. not sure what threads this is so prevalent in.

 

i simply saw it and decided to give some more grounded, recent, conspiracies that leftists believe. ones that have destroyed the country. not examples a person mumbles in the street that have had little effect on this strange "outside" i hear so much about.

 

you could give any response you want but a "your crazy and need to get out more" is the laziest of them all. who knows maybe a couple more "yeah we were wrong on that one" from a few on that side might be the beginning of turning this around. or, you can keep thinking its nothing but straw men. 

 

either way 🤷‍♂️

[ChiGoose]

2 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

your not obligated. i do not expect much from the left on here which is why i rarely post. you brought up a few right wing stereo typical conspiracies you see on this board. obama is behind everything. clinton is behind everything. not sure what threads this is so prevalent in.

 

i simply saw it and decided to give some more grounded, recent, conspiracies that leftists believe. ones that have destroyed the country. not examples a person mumbles in the street that have had little effect on this strange "outside" i hear so much about.

 

you could give any response you want but a "your crazy and need to get out more" is the laziest of them all. who knows maybe a couple more "yeah we were wrong on that one" from a few on that side might be the beginning of turning this around. or, you can keep thinking its nothing but straw men. 

 

either way 🤷‍♂️

Which one was I wrong on?

[Buffarukus]

16 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Which one was I wrong on?

 

im talking about my examples of leftist conspiracies.

 

i gave you rationale in my original reply why your (facts that should not be questioned ) are viewed with scepticism, or as you say conspiracy theories that doubt them. vax stops hospitalization..not in kids! ect. ect. reread if neccessary. 

[ChiGoose]

1 minute ago, Buffarukus said:

 

im talking about my examples of leftist conspiracies.

 

i gave you rationale in my original reply why your (facts that should not be questioned ) are viewed with scepticism, or as you say conspiracy theories that doubt them. vax stops hospitalization..not in kids! ect. ect. reread if neccessary. 

Questioning of facts is one thing, but the majority of this board is essentially  taking that “4 out of 5 dentists recommend trident” and searching for that 5th doctor who recommends chewing on tinfoil. 
 

Also, the COVID vaccine does reduce hospitalization in children. 

[Buffarukus]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

Questioning of facts is one thing, but the majority of this board is essentially  taking that “4 out of 5 dentists recommend trident” and searching for that 5th doctor who recommends chewing on tinfoil. 
 

Also, the COVID vaccine does reduce hospitalization in children. 

 

well this is the essence of the discussion. im seeing more leftists that simply refuse to acknowledge facts over people on the right on here. your prescribing any doubts or descussions from the right as "conspiracies" from people being intentionally ignorant. im saying somthing like vax prevents hospitalization is not as clear unquestionable fact as you would like. i scanned the study and still have questions. is that ok? what measure are we taking to decide what a hospitalization is? because as i understand it children have had .000* whatever mortality rate BEFORE the vax was even recommended for them. are we deciding parents who are spooked or require any sort of therapeutic as "needing hospitalization". are we trading the advantages( i believe are also well documented) of gaining a robust natural immunity that will be superior in the long run as opposed to a synthetic one that A) may only help with initial  symptoms when infected early on but as it becomes a yearly virus will be void? B) subjects children to unknown long term side effects which coincidently STILL offers pharma complete immunity for any potentially deadly side effects C) also coincidentally give the manufacturers a recurring indefinite revanu stream despite A and B. and D) trusts that the scientific community is giving accurate information THIS TIME? seeing as so many lies have been pushed id say taking studies with a grain of salt should be more normal and believing them at face value would be a conspiracy theory.

 

nothing besides D) is irrational. do you think?  yet it all falls under your umbrella of these (fools) are questioning the FACT that vaxes prevent hospitalization. the fact they have been caught repeatedly lying and yet other (fools) take their word at face value could be argued the opposite way...which is. what i did.

 

but if that study is legit and it is in fact saving children then i can easily say i was wrong and need to dig in deeper to find the answers. a rare statement made by either side.

 

but just know i did concede a very long time ago during a covid mandate descussion with another poster where i said the only legitimate reason to force a vax wouuld be if it prevented spread. i was assured and given studies that this person who was close to the med field read the literature and it was true. it didnt age well

 

Edited October 23, 2022 by Buffarukus

[ChiGoose]

5 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

well this is the essence of the discussion. im seeing more leftists that simply refuse to acknowledge facts over people on the right on here. your prescribing any doubts or descussions from the right as "conspiracies" from people being intentionally ignorant. im saying somthing like vax prevents hospitalization is not as clear unquestionable fact as you would like. i scanned the study and still have questions. is that ok? what measure are we taking to decide what a hospitalization is? because as i understand it children have had .000* whatever mortality rate BEFORE the vax was even recommended for them. are we deciding parents who are spooked or require any sort of therapeutic as "needing hospitalization". are we trading the advantages( i believe are also well documented) of gaining a robust natural immunity that will be superior in the long run as opposed to a synthetic one that A) may only help with initial  symptoms when infected early on but as it becomes a yearly virus will be void? B) subjects children to unknown long term side effects which coincidently STILL offers pharma complete immunity for any potentially deadly side effects C) also coincidentally give the manufacturers a recurring indefinite revanu stream despite A and B. and D) trusts that the scientific community is giving accurate information THIS TIME? seeing as so many lies have been pushed id say taking studies with a grain of salt should be more normal and believing them at face value would be a conspiracy theory.

 

nothing besides D) is irrational. do you think?  yet it all falls under your umbrella of these (fools) are questioning the FACT that vaxes prevent hospitalization. the fact they have been caught repeatedly lying and yet other (fools) take their word at face value could be argued the opposite way...which is. what i did.

 

but if that study is legit and it is in fact saving children then i can easily say i was wrong and need to dig in deeper to find the answers. a rare statement made by either side.

 

 

Your entire statement here seems to hinge on the incorrect belief that natural immunity lasts longer in children than the vaccine’s effects. 

“Our results are consistent with more recent research, which shows that children develop neutralizing antibodies, the best marker to date of protective immunity against COVID-19, at least as well as adults. However, the antibody levels after infection were much lower than antibody levels seen after vaccination. The results show that infection in children leads to antibodies that could protect to some degree against future infection or disease, but antibody levels are lower, and so probably less protective, than those after vaccination.”

 

Also, vaccines do help prevent hospitalizations:

 

During March–May 2021, SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines were highly effective for preventing Covid-19 hospitalizations among US adults. SARS-CoV-2 vaccination was beneficial for patients with immunosuppression, but effectiveness was lower in the immunosuppressed population.

 

If you have concerns about the vaccines and whether or not you or a family member should get one, the rational thing to do is to reach out to your primary care physician. They will be able to answer your questions and recommend a course of action. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

3 hours ago, Brueggs said:

So red states are poor uneducated crap stains....got it.  I guess the nation doesn't really need farmers and blue collar sorts to survive.  

I will give you that the blue states are where the money is, but brains?  Virtually every blue city across the country, where all these smart people are, have budget deficits and have to be bailed out by state or federal government.  NYC is a great example of that.  

 

In Biden's first few days alone...

Re-entered Paris Climate Accord

Cut Keystone pipeline

Halted leasing in ANWAR

60 day halt on all oil and gas leases

New regulations on emmissions

Eliminate support for fossil fuel

I know, I know...the president doesn't control the price of fuel, but these changes triggered high fuel prices and quite literally the cost of all goods that are transported on diesel trucks, which is pretty much everything.

 

Is the handling of the border even debatable?

 

Loan forgiveness?  Wouldn't a better solution be to make education more affordable?  

 

We are getting to the point of 80's inflation, men are playing in woman's sports, and we aren't even half way in.  

Where is the criticism for your party?  

I criticize my party.  I'm not a huge fan of either party's immigration plan.  And I do not like what we've done printing money causing inflation.  As I've said in other posts, the current state of the Democrat Party is far from ideal (especially when it comes to stupid divisive cultural issues).  This cultural trans war is absolutely asinine.   

 

In recent past dems have been much better with the economy than reps.  I'm giving leeway with that in mind and the aftereffects of covid.  

 

Loan forgiveness I don't care about.   I wish we'd do more to fix the root of the problem.   

 

I want both parties stronger.  Yours is a circus.  A lot is Trump's fault.  He normalized crazy and a ton of ya'll fell for it.  The swamp?  He's 10x more corrupt than any swamp creature.   And it's 50-50 he gets the nom again.  

[Brueggs]

3 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

I criticize my party.  I'm not a huge fan of either party's immigration plan.  And I do not like what we've done printing money causing inflation.  As I've said in other posts, the current state of the Democrat Party is far from ideal (especially when it comes to stupid divisive cultural issues).  This cultural trans war is absolutely asinine.   

 

In recent past dems have been much better with the economy than reps.  I'm giving leeway with that in mind and the aftereffects of covid.  

 

Loan forgiveness I don't care about.   I wish we'd do more to fix the root of the problem.   

 

I want both parties stronger.  Yours is a circus.  A lot is Trump's fault.  He normalized crazy and a ton of ya'll fell for it.  The swamp?  He's 10x more corrupt than any swamp creature.   And it's 50-50 he gets the nom again.  

For the most part, I agree, but if the Reps are a circus, then the DNC is an insane asylum.  That is the party who is bringing all of this cultural crap to the front lines.  They are also the party who has the MSM at their disposal, well at least 90% of it.  That in of itself is extremely corrupt.  They are the ones guiding and promoting these narratives.  While I think people are mostly centric, this same media is hell bent on sowing division.

I don't see it as Trump caused the problem, I see it as the problem caused Trump.  Yes, he has a lot of shortcomings, and I am sure being a RE developer in NYC requires a PHD in corruption, but I think you might be underestimating how corrupt this government truly is....or should I say, the people that are controlling this government.  

Both parties are linked at the hip, and transparency is a thing of the past.  As many conspiracy theories as people come up with, I would bet that the reality of it is probably far worse than most any of us can even imagine.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

22 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

The following things are true and anyone who disagrees is not expressing an opinion but actually betraying their own ignorance:

 

- Trump won the 2016 election

- Biden won the 2020 election

- The Russia investigation was not a hoax

- COVID is not a hoax

- Getting a COVID vaccine reduces your chances of severe COVID or hospitalization

- JFK Jr. is dead. He’s not coming back to take the presidency.

- QAnon is a hoax (and we likely know who is currently posting under that identity)

- The moon landing was real

- George Soros isn’t secretly behind everything

- Hillary Clinton isn’t secretly behind everything

- Barack Obama isn’t secretly behind everything 

- Hillary Clinton didn’t have Seth Rich murdered

 

These are all facts and despite that, the majority of posters on this board disagree with at least one of them. That’s not them expressing an opinion, it’s them being stupid. It’s like saying 2+2=Banana. But for some reason, about 90% of the people on PPP believe 2+2=Banana and try to “own” anyone who disagrees. 

“Betraying their own ignorance”  😂 

[aristocrat]

7 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Your entire statement here seems to hinge on the incorrect belief that natural immunity lasts longer in children than the vaccine’s effects. 

“Our results are consistent with more recent research, which shows that children develop neutralizing antibodies, the best marker to date of protective immunity against COVID-19, at least as well as adults. However, the antibody levels after infection were much lower than antibody levels seen after vaccination. The results show that infection in children leads to antibodies that could protect to some degree against future infection or disease, but antibody levels are lower, and so probably less protective, than those after vaccination.”

 

Also, vaccines do help prevent hospitalizations:

 

During March–May 2021, SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines were highly effective for preventing Covid-19 hospitalizations among US adults. SARS-CoV-2 vaccination was beneficial for patients with immunosuppression, but effectiveness was lower in the immunosuppressed population.

 

If you have concerns about the vaccines and whether or not you or a family member should get one, the rational thing to do is to reach out to your primary care physician. They will be able to answer your questions and recommend a course of action. 

took my son to the doc the other day as we thought he had an ear infection. Asked if he had the vaccine i responded no and the response was…someone has been doing their research.  
 

fyi his mother/my wife is an icu nurse and we spent all of Covid doing 3 month contracts at different hospitals around the country treating only Covid patients.  We are vaxxed and boosted but not getting the kids. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

11 hours ago, Brueggs said:

For the most part, I agree, but if the Reps are a circus, then the DNC is an insane asylum.  That is the party who is bringing all of this cultural crap to the front lines.  They are also the party who has the MSM at their disposal, well at least 90% of it.  That in of itself is extremely corrupt.  They are the ones guiding and promoting these narratives.  While I think people are mostly centric, this same media is hell bent on sowing division.

I don't see it as Trump caused the problem, I see it as the problem caused Trump.  Yes, he has a lot of shortcomings, and I am sure being a RE developer in NYC requires a PHD in corruption, but I think you might be underestimating how corrupt this government truly is....or should I say, the people that are controlling this government.  

Both parties are linked at the hip, and transparency is a thing of the past.  As many conspiracy theories as people come up with, I would bet that the reality of it is probably far worse than most any of us can even imagine.

Cool so the orange abortion gets a pass on corruption because he came from real estate?  Sorry I want more for that office.  The media is 90% for the dems?  How is the most popular network right leaning then?  I know there are many more left leaning networks but you think your base pays attention to them?  I don't think reality is worse than Jewish space lasers or a cabal of dem pedos who drink blood.  

 

I think your posts prove you no longer understand how crazy your party is.  None of you can prove the left had gone off the deep end on anything other than stupid cultural BS that has little impact on daily lives.