Boomer Esiason suggests the Bills should trade for Barkley

[Buffalo03]

6 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

You see this guy as Barry Sanders.  I see him as another back that will be limited to short yardage gains without any push from the line.

 

You still haven't explained how we afford him this season and even if we somehow could, re-signing him for next year is all but an impossibility with our cap situation.

Barkley is a major talent at his position and top 5 easily when healthy. If you think he wouldn't be better than Singletary who probably wouldn't start on most teams, then I don't know what you're watching. He can make our online look better. As far as how we can afford him. GMs work magic all the time. You think they can't figure that out? They can find a way to get it done

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

I assure you, the Giants OL, the one with Jon Feliciano as it’s starting C, is not better than Buffalo’s. 
Bills OL is more than adequate when healthy… I.E., Singletary ypc his entire career… Find me another unit btw that doesn’t struggle when having to trot out their third option at Center in addition to replacing a guard and tackle…

Then explain why our backs are not having any success carrying the football.  Show me the holes the line is supposed to be opening the way the play was designed.  Show me the push they are getting against the D-lines.

[Greg S]

Here is a replay of his two point conversion that won the Titans game.

 

 

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

Barkley is a major talent at his position and top 5 easily when healthy. If you think he wouldn't be better than Singletary who probably wouldn't start on most teams, then I don't know what you're watching. He can make our online look better. As far as how we can afford him. GMs work magic all the time. You think they can't figure that out? They can find a way to get it done

So your answer is Barkley doesn't need a line and Beane can make it work when we essentially have nothing left in cap space now, especially with the signing of Rhodes, and like 7 mil over going into next season.

 

Gotcha

6 minutes ago, Westside said:

You’re exaggerating about the O-Line. 

OK, post vids of the holes they are opening and push they are getting outside of the Rams game.

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Barkley is a major talent at his position and top 5 easily when healthy. If you think he wouldn't be better than Singletary who probably wouldn't start on most teams, then I don't know what you're watching. He can make our online look better. As far as how we can afford him. GMs work magic all the time. You think they can't figure that out? They can find a way to get it done

 

No, GMs do not "work magic".  It's simple math.  He has already done the restructures to pay for what roster moves he did this year.

Asking for a BIG trade for Barkley right now would border on recklessness.  

 

[Buffalo03]

14 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

So your answer is Barkley doesn't need a line and Beane can make it work when we essentially have nothing left in cap space now, especially with the signing of Rhodes, and like 7 mil over going into next season.

 

Gotcha

OK, post vids of the holes they are opening and push they are getting outside of the Rams game.

Did I say Barkley didn't need a line? Now you're purposely putting words in my mouth

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

No, GMs do not "work magic".  It's simple math.  He has already done the restructures to pay for what roster moves he did this year.

Asking for a BIG trade for Barkley right now would border on recklessness.  

 

We'd be fine

16 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

So your answer is Barkley doesn't need a line and Beane can make it work when we essentially have nothing left in cap space now, especially with the signing of Rhodes, and like 7 mil over going into next season.

 

Gotcha

OK, post vids of the holes they are opening and push they are getting outside of the Rams game.

It's not just about opening holes, it's about when those holes aren't open, what your RB does and simply put Barkley can easily do things Singletary can't. There's no denying that

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

We'd be fine

 

 

[Billz4ever]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

It's not just about opening holes, it's about when those holes aren't open, 

Which is most of the time.  So your position is that Barkley will constantly be able to improvise and make yards out of what's basically a blown up play at that point.

[Buffalo03]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

 

Restructure deals and move around. They can't do that?

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

Restructure deals and move around. They can't do that?

He's telling you we've already done that to make the signings we had this offseason.  We are roughly 7M over cap going into next year as it stands right now.

Edited September 29, 2022 by Billz4ever

[Buffalo03]

2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Which is most of the time.  So your position is that Barkley will constantly be able to improvise and make yards out of what's basically a blown up play at that point.

Barkley will be able to improvise a lot more and a lot better than Singletary. That's just the type of athlete he is. He can move and adjust like Singletary can't 

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

He's telling you we've already done that to make the signings we had this offseason.  We are roughly 7M over cap going into next year as it stands right now.

And I guarantee you, it gets fixed before next season to fix that

[Billz4ever]

Just now, Buffalo03 said:

Barkley will be able to improvise a lot more and a lot better than Singletary. That's just the type of athlete he is. He can move and adjust like Singletary can't 

With no holes and no O-line push. OK

 

Geez, you've just got this all figured out already. Maybe we should fire McD and Beane and hire you for both.  Can you do OC too?  We can fire Dorsey then as well.

2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

 

And I guarantee you, it gets fixed before next season to fix that

You're right, it will. Some people aren't getting re-signed and/or are getting released.

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

Restructure deals and move around. They can't do that?

 

You can only restructure Salaries, Options Bonuses and adding Void years.  That's the "magic".

Go to Spotrac and show us how you get another $6M for Barkley.

 

 

 

[Buffalo03]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

You can only restructure Salaries, Options Bonuses and adding Void years.  That's the "magic".

Go to Spotrac and show us how you get another $6M for Barkley.

 

 

 

If that's what it takes to open that $6 that yes, I would call that magic to the people that think it's impossible 

[Billz4ever]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

If that's what it takes to open that $6 that yes, I would call that magic to the people that think it's impossible 

He's telling you to go to spotrac.com and show us how you make space to fit Barkley in here. 

 

Show us how it's done.

 

Edited September 29, 2022 by Billz4ever

[Buffalo03]

Just now, Billz4ever said:

He's telling you to go to sportrac.com and show us how you make space to fit Barkley in here. 

 

Show us how it's done.

 

He just said it. Restructures and converting money to bonuses but he didn't refer to it as magic. We can also resign a guy or 2. It's not hard

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

He just said it. Restructures and converting money to bonuses but he didn't refer to it as magic. We can also resign a guy or 2. It's not hard

So tell us...who's getting restructured that hasn't been already?

 

LMAO, you try and act like it's super easy without having a clue how it's done and without even looking at the current financial situation.

[Buffalo03]

10 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

So tell us...who's getting restructured that hasn't been already?

 

LMAO, you try and act like it's super easy without having a clue how it's done and without even looking at the current financial situation.

I'm not gonna go through and tell you who gets restructured. The bottom line is, players can be. I'm sure if this was in Beane's plan, he can figure it out

Edited September 29, 2022 by Buffalo03

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I'm not gonna go through and tell you who gets restructured. The bottom line is, players can be. I'm sure if this was in Beane's plan, he can figure it out

 

Because you don't know.  Yet here you are claiming they can without having the slightest clue whose possibly can and whose already was.  This is called BSing.

 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Billz4ever said:

OK, post vids of the holes they are opening and push they are getting outside of the Rams game.

You should go re-watch the Titans game. 

[Buffalo03]

16 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Because you don't know.  Yet here you are claiming they can without having the slightest clue whose possibly can and whose already was.  This is called BSing.

 

I'm not a GM and neither are you. That's Beane's job. You're under the assumption that it "can't be done" and it's "impossible". But you know nothing either which is what you call bsing. I'm telling you if Beane has plans for it, he will find a way. It can be done. We all know it

[Billz4ever]

43 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I'm not a GM and neither are you. That's Beane's job. You're under the assumption that it "can't be done" and it's "impossible". But you know nothing either which is what you call bsing. I'm telling you if Beane has plans for it, he will find a way. It can be done. We all know it

But you're the one claiming it can be done without knowing.  Unless Beane has personally told you that it can, you're BSing.  You don't know.

 

And FYI, it's not on me to prove a negative.  You are the one claiming something can be done, it's on you to prove it can be.  That's how logic works.

54 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

You should go re-watch the Titans game. 

Bills RBs had 20 carries for 89 yards in that game.

 

The passing game won us that game and it was the passing game that opened up the running game after the game was out of control.  We did not run particularly well in that game and certainly didn't in the Miami game.

Edited September 29, 2022 by Billz4ever

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

But you're the one claiming it can be done without knowing.  Unless Beane has personally told you that it can, you're BSing.  You don't know.

 

And FYI, it's not on me to prove a negative.  You are the one claiming something can be done, it's on you to prove it can be.  That's how logic works.

Bills RBs had 20 carries for 89 yards in that game.

 

Sorry I left you with this conversation.  I was talking to my brother in Buffalo.

Yes, I wanted him to say who to restructure (I did it because there really isn't much money left to do that).

 

Beane will need to do some moves just to get enough cash to get through the season, especially if these injuries don't stop.

I'm getting to be an old man, when it comes to finances the people who say "all you got to do" I have found are generally the

one's that end up at payday loans.  Generally.

[Billz4ever]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

Sorry I left you with this conversation.  I was talking to my brother in Buffalo.

Yes, I wanted him to say who to restructure (I did it because there really isn't much money left to do that).

 

Beane will need to do some moves just to get enough cash to get through the season, especially if these injuries don't stop.

I'm getting to be an old man, when it comes to finances the people who say "all you got to do" I have found are generally the

one's that end up at payday loans.  Generally.

These are the type of people who also think as long as they have checks in their checkbook, they have money.

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

These are the type of people who also think as long as they have checks in their checkbook, they have money.

 

Classic.

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Classic.

That's not an exaggeration either.  I've meet people that think that.

[purple haze]

On 9/28/2022 at 12:31 PM, uninja said:

I don’t like it. Injury prone RB in a contract year playing with a limited sample size. 
 

We’d be mortgaging future draft picks for a 1 season rental and then surely letting him walk in FA because we don’t have the cap space to pay him the kind of money he could fetch in the open market. 
 

It reeks of desperation and of making a move for the sake of making a move. 

If he’s injury prone, with a limited sample size, why do you think he could fetch a lot of money on the open market?  

Bills are in win now mode.  See Von Miller.  It’s not desperate, it’s putting all chips in.  Beane won’t do it just to do it.  If he could get Barkley at the right price he would consider it if there’s an injury necessity.

 

As it stands,  the running game issues are offensive line related, not RB related (at least this past Sunday).  So I doubt we see Beane trade for Barkley.

Edited September 29, 2022 by purple haze

[Billz4ever]

Just now, purple haze said:

As it stands,  the running game issues are offensive line related, not RB related.  So I doubt we see Beane trade for Barkley.

Exactly.  I don't know why so many people think if we just get Barkley, all our running game problems are solved.  

[Billz4ever]

28 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Sorry I left you with this conversation.  I was talking to my brother in Buffalo.

Yes, I wanted him to say who to restructure (I did it because there really isn't much money left to do that).

 

Beane will need to do some moves just to get enough cash to get through the season, especially if these injuries don't stop.

I'm getting to be an old man, when it comes to finances the people who say "all you got to do" I have found are generally the

one's that end up at payday loans.  Generally.

The Bills are $7.6M over the cap next season and this is the list of all our free agents.  People can't even explain how we hold on to all the good ones on this list, nevermind how we're going to be able to sign big name new ones.

Edited September 29, 2022 by Billz4ever

[Buffalo Super Fan]

No as a Buffalo Bills fan no we already embarrassed ourselves years ago choosing CJ Spiller with a number one pick same deal here. Except Saquon Barkley has more miles on his legs no thank you no draft picks. It isn’t even good for the New York Giants because nothing is reversing taking Saquon Barkley over Josh Allen the New York Giants embarrassed themselves like the Buffalo Bills management during the Bills draught years of bad drafting in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Edited September 29, 2022 by Buffalo Super Fan

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

The Bills are $7.6M over the cap next season and this is the list of all our free agents.  People can't even explain how we hold on to all these, nevermind how we're going to be able to sign big name new ones.

 

Beane is not going to do anything crazy until he sees what the new TV contracts bring to the Cap Space.

Spotrac already did its "add $10M" to its 2023 figures.  No one knows yet what it will end up being.

 

If I was to describe Brandon Beane when it comes to the cap it's this.

He pushes the money as far it can go BUT he isn't reckless about it.  I totally like how he handles the money in general.

 

[LABILLBACKER]

After the first 3 games, our RB1 has a total of 80 yards rushing. A 3.5 average. If we’re dropping back to pass on 90% of the plays Josh will eventually get hurt. It's just a matter of time. Daboll and now Dorsey are just set in their ways on ignoring a run attack. Play action is rendered worthless if the opposing team doesn't even fear your runs.

[Buffalo03]

1 hour ago, Billz4ever said:

But you're the one claiming it can be done without knowing.  Unless Beane has personally told you that it can, you're BSing.  You don't know.

 

And FYI, it's not on me to prove a negative.  You are the one claiming something can be done, it's on you to prove it can be.  That's how logic works.

Bills RBs had 20 carries for 89 yards in that game.

 

The passing game won us that game and it was the passing game that opened up the running game after the game was out of control.  We did not run particularly well in that game and certainly didn't in the Miami game.

It can be done. There are 53 players on this roster. Any one of them can have a contract restructure or conversion of money to a bonus at any time. You seem to think that because we have restructured a couple contracts that those are the only ones we can do. We have more than 4 players on our team

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

It can be done. There are 53 players on this roster. Any one of them can have a contract restructure or conversion of money to a bonus at any time. You seem to think that because we have restructured a couple contracts that those are the only ones we can do. We have more than 4 players on our team

 

That statement alone proves you know nothing about NFL contacts.

You are so wrong, and evidently don't want to learn why, that it's not worth conversing with you about it.

[BigDingus]

Would Barkley be a clear upgrade for us? Obviously.

 

Would it cost the Bills way too much in the process? Absolutely.

 

Every trade is a risk, but considering the injury history & what the Giants would want in return, hellllllllll no

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

That statement alone proves you know nothing about NFL contacts.

You are so wrong, and evidently don't want to learn why, that it's not worth conversing with you about it.

 

Can you explain for those of us who are curious but also don't understand NFL contracts well? I'll say "please!"

 

PLEEEEAAAASEEE 😘

[Buffalo03]

6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

That statement alone proves you know nothing about NFL contacts.

You are so wrong, and evidently don't want to learn why, that it's not worth conversing with you about it.

And you know about NFL contracts? All the ins and outs?

[ColoradoBills]

32 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

Can you explain for those of us who are curious but also don't understand NFL contracts well? I'll say "please!"

 

PLEEEEAAAASEEE 😘

 

LOL.  I shouldn't have let the conversation get to where it's at.  If you're giving me some sarcasm, I probably deserve it.

If it's not it should have its own thread.  I'm not the only one who enjoys that kind of stuff.

 

Just in case, I will say, there are only 6 players (not 53) with salaries above $2M who could MAYBE be restructured right now.

I use $2M because you can't restructure Base Salary to zero.  It has to be at least player minimum.

 

4 of them are on the last year of their contracts so any restructure goes to dead cap next year.

That leaves Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs (and Diggs has already restructured and had his money pushed out).

 

Open up the Spotrac site and click to sort on "Base Salary".  Edmunds will be on top.  He's not restructuring without a new contract.

Same goes with Poyer, Keenum and Oliver.  There's a lot more to this stuff, but that is the basics.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

 

EDIT:  Sorry, linked wrong site.  This is right.

Edited September 29, 2022 by ColoradoBills

[BigDingus]

6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

LOL.  I shouldn't have let the conversation get to where it's at.  If you're giving me some sarcasm, I probably deserve it.

If it's not it should have its own thread.  I'm not the only one who enjoys that kind of stuff.

 

No no, I was being goofy about it, but I really was wanting an explanation. I also thought any players could have salaries converted to bonuses, but I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to contracts, what qualifies as "dead cap," or what options the Bills have when trying to keep cornerstone players when cap-strapped.

 

So thanks for detailing some of that! 

[pennstate10]

On 9/28/2022 at 1:38 PM, The Red King said:

Problem is o-line.  Defenders are in our backfield on runs up the middle.  I don't care who you have at running back, it's not gonna work.

Barkley is used to this from his PSU days. 
 

Seriously, 3 of 4 runs he’d be hit in the backfield. Three of those runs would be -3 to +2 yd gains. 
 

The 4th would be a 10-80 yd gain. 

[pennstate10]

2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

That statement alone proves you know nothing about NFL contacts.

You are so wrong, and evidently don't want to learn why, that it's not worth conversing with you about it.

C’mon man.  
josh Allen’s salary is ~$18 million. After 3 games probably $15 million. Convert that to $6 million bonus and $9 million salary. Done. 
 

Yes, it might not be wise because you’re making the cap in 2023-2028 that much worse. 
 

But it can be done. It’s not rocket science.