FireChans Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I would not oppose going to 6. Honestly I think going to 6 and having 6 v 3 and 5 v 4 with the winners to play 1 and 2 in the semis would have been a reasonably good idea. 12 is way too many and will produce more uncompetitive games in that Qrtr final stage and gives teams who have literally no chance of making the title game a shot. We will table this discussion and when #11 UCLA beats #1 Georgia in the CFB semifinals to go to the final in 2024, I will be immortalized forever. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, FireChans said: Leave your British slang out of this! Sure, you're right some of those teams may win the first week and get smoked the next. But if they beat another "playoff contender", don't they deserve that chance? Let's say Utah or Ole Miss shocks the world and beats Michigan or Cinci. Don't they "prove" they deserve to be in over those teams? I think they do. And that's really the rub of it, and why I'm all for it. I HATE when teams fall out of the top 4 and are, in my opinion, good enough to deserve a shot. The kids deserve a shot. Do you remember that ATROCIOUS year where TCU and Baylor were co Big12 champions and ended up 5 and 6 and never got a chance to even try? I think one of them was undefeated. It makes it fun. The prevailing thought is that the mediocre SEC teams would still beat the top Big12 or PAC10 teams. Rather than debate the snubs, let's just see if that's true. If it's a dud and Bama/Georgia/OSU and a rotating 4th team are consistently the final four and dominate everybody, contract the playoff to 10 or 8. To your earlier point, I think I would have just expanded to 6 or 8. 12 is ALOT. But, IMO, if you did the top 6 last year, there's a decent chance Baylor gets past Michigan. And then they get a shot. You're thinking of when TCU was in the Mountain West. They went 13-0 in 2011. Baylor and TCU were co-champs in 2014, both with one loss. But your point is dead on. Hell, recently with UCF... they were 13-0 in 2017 and beat the likes of Auburn, who just played in the SEC championship game after beating #1 Alabama. UCF deserved a shot at the title. Oklahoma State deserved a shot in 2011. TCU did in 2011. I don't think it's too difficult to do a 12-team playoff. Top 4 get a bye, first 2 games could be home to the higher seed (or make round 2 a neutral site). Then play the final 4 as they are now, NY6 bowl game locations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Now I see why Bama is afraid of the expanded playoff. Too many unranked Big 12 teams that are gonna smoke em. Someone check on Bill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, FireChans said: Now I see why Bama is afraid of the expanded playoff. Too many unranked Big 12 teams that are gonna smoke em. Someone check on Bill Save up your hate for another game. Better luck next time.👍 😃 2 hours ago, FireChans said: Now I see why Bama is afraid of the expanded playoff. Too many unranked Big 12 teams that are gonna smoke em. Someone check on Bill I'm OK but I could use a valium. Edited September 10, 2022 by Bill from NYC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 On 9/10/2022 at 12:35 PM, FireChans said: Now I see why Bama is afraid of the expanded playoff. Too many unranked Big 12 teams that are gonna smoke em. Someone check on Bill But this is exactly why we need a playoff... a team like Texas, who has been the joke of the Big XII for 10-11 years, was one "intentional grounding" call away from beating Alabama. A&M gets beat by Appy State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Makes perfect sense with NIL deals, etc. Little cash goes a long way to pull better players. Transfer portal helps also. Good player sitting on a bench somewhere can end up starting for a different school he may not have considered coming out of high school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 If 'Bama hadn't wiped out two Texas QBs they'd have lost that game. They were deeply unimpressive. @BillfromNYC - what is with that offensive line? The announcers started the game saying the best Alabama oline in a few years. Not from where I was sitting. They couldn't run block at all and to be honest Bryce Young made their pass blocking look both worse than it is (because he holds the ball too long at times) and better than it is (because he escaped numerous would be sacks and got away from pressure). I get the "no speed receiver" thing. But man, if you can't protect long enough to throw it down the field not sure a speed receiver is going to help that much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 5 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said: But this is exactly why we need a playoff... a team like Texas, who has been the joke of the Big XII for 10-11 years, was one "intentional grounding" call away from beating Alabama. A&M gets beat by Appy State. Texas A&M was the team that benefitted the most from NIL. It didn't help them at all on Saturday. I really do fear that NIL is going to bring us entitled players who think that they are great before they prove anything on the field. And as I said in another thread, it's going to be harder to motivate young kids with big bucks in their pocket. When I was thast young, I would have preferred hanging out with gorgeous women than doing what is necessary to win football games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: If 'Bama hadn't wiped out two Texas QBs they'd have lost that game. They were deeply unimpressive. @BillfromNYC - what is with that offensive line? The announcers started the game saying the best Alabama oline in a few years. Not from where I was sitting. They couldn't run block at all and to be honest Bryce Young made their pass blocking look both worse than it is (because he holds the ball too long at times) and better than it is (because he escaped numerous would be sacks and got away from pressure). I get the "no speed receiver" thing. But man, if you can't protect long enough to throw it down the field not sure a speed receiver is going to help that much. I thought that the OL lacked strength to out-muscle Texas, which is a huge concern. I don't understand your "no speed receiver" comment. Leary and Bond (who dropped a KEY pass) are some of the fastest players you will ever see. Another speedster (Tyler Harrell) has been hurt and is coming back. Jermaine Burton is quick as is Holden. The freshman Kobe Prentice is a future 1st round pick imo. JoJo Earle is injured and would be the fastest player on most teams. The closest thing they have to a possession receiver is JaCorey Brooks and he is quick and very big. There is not one receiver on the team that is slow. Edited September 12, 2022 by Bill from NYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 5 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said: But this is exactly why we need a playoff... a team like Texas, who has been the joke of the Big XII for 10-11 years, was one "intentional grounding" call away from beating Alabama. A&M gets beat by Appy State. In college football it is easier for your team to play the game of their life Early in the season at home like Texas, especially when you have a lot of motivation Just because Texas gave Alabama all they could at home early in the season doesn’t mean that the result is the same everywhere If that match up is in Alabama they get skunked… Don’t get it twisted that environment, was nearly impossible to go into… The intensity level during the college football playoffs is also at an entirely different level… I think it will be a while before we see a 12 beat a 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: I thought that the OL lacked strength to out-muscle Texas, which is a huge concern. I don't understand your "no speed receiver" comment. Leary and Bond (who dropped a KEY pass) are some of the fastest players you will ever see. Another speedster (Tyler Harrell) has been hurt and is coming back. Jermaine Burton is quick as is Holden. The freshman Kobe Prentice is a future 1st round pick imo. JoJo Earle is injured and would be the fastest player on most teams. The closest thing they have to a possession receiver is JaCorey Brooks and he is quick and very big. There is not one receiver on the team that is slow. That isn't my comment so much as what Klatt and co were saying on the broadcast "they don't have that true Jaylen Waddle or Jameison Williams speedster". I didn't think the receivers were the issue, that is my whole point. I thought the problem was protection. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 31 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: That isn't my comment so much as what Klatt and co were saying on the broadcast "they don't have that true Jaylen Waddle or Jameison Williams speedster". I didn't think the receivers were the issue, that is my whole point. I thought the problem was protection. You are correct GB. Do they have somebody as good as Jaylen Waddle or Davonta Smith? No, but these guys were/are proven GREAT players, as was Jameson (perhaps to a slightly lesser degree). That said, this group of receivers might be much deeper imo than the 2021 group imo. Yes, the OL was problematic. Losing Neal seems to matter more than I wanted it to. They need to straighten it out in a hurry too because they face some pretty tough teams in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: In college football it is easier for your team to play the game of their life Early in the season at home like Texas, especially when you have a lot of motivation Just because Texas gave Alabama all they could at home early in the season doesn’t mean that the result is the same everywhere If that match up is in Alabama they get skunked… Don’t get it twisted that environment, was nearly impossible to go into… The intensity level during the college football playoffs is also at an entirely different level… I think it will be a while before we see a 12 beat a 1 I keep saying it, they do it for NCAA basketball, baseball, hockey, softball, etc., etc.. They do it for every level of NCAA (and smaller) except FBS (Division I). NCAA DI football can do it if FBS (DII), Division III, NAIA and NJCAA can all do it. Besides, how it would be set up... you'd have either homefield advantage the first round or a bye. Alabama, UGA, Cincy and Michigan would have played at home last year in round one before going to one of the "Final Four" NY6 bowl sites. Edited September 12, 2022 by ArdmoreRyno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: I keep saying it, they do it for NCAA basketball, baseball, hockey, softball, etc., etc.. They do it for every level of NCAA (and smaller) except FBS (Division I). NCAA DI football can do it if FBS (DII), Division III, NAIA and NJCAA can all do it. Besides, how it would be set up... you'd have either homefield advantage the first round or a bye. Alabama, UGA, Cincy and Michigan would have played at home last year in round one before going to one of the "Final Four" NY6 bowl sites. Yeah I know how you can make the 12 work Top fours get byes like you said And I understand your premise… but College basketball players always have a shooting chance… Especially when you could jack up 40 3s A game But when it gets down to the nitty-gritty… Time to play for a national championship in division one football The intensity gets turned up… It’s Really really hard, For a program like UCF or Cincinnati… In a meaningful game… with good college players but few NFL guys… To go toe to toe with Georgia or Alabama who have 20+ nfl guys over 4 classes I don’t mind a 12 team playoff but I wouldn’t expect much from 9-12 Edited September 12, 2022 by Buffalo716 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Yeah I know how you can make the 12 work Top fours get byes like you said And I understand your premise… but College basketball players always have a shooting chance… Especially when you could jack up 40 3s A game But when it gets down to the nitty-gritty… Time to play for a national championship in division one football The intensity gets turned up… It’s Really really hard, For a program like UCF or Cincinnati… In a meaningful game… with good college players but few NFL guys… To go toe to toe with Georgia or Alabama who have 20+ nfl guys over 4 classes I don’t mind a 12 team playoff but I wouldn’t expect much from 9-12 But a team like Oklahoma State, Baylor, Notre Dame (last year teams)... could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: But a team like Oklahoma State, Baylor, Notre Dame (last year teams)... could. They could technically I’ve also had my hopes up for 20 years for Notre Dame… Only to get crushed in every big game when they are hyped Always outclassed when it matters A School like Oklahoma State would need to score on basically every possession … make it a shootout for a chance 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 15 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Yeah I know how you can make the 12 work Top fours get byes like you said And I understand your premise… but College basketball players always have a shooting chance… Especially when you could jack up 40 3s A game But when it gets down to the nitty-gritty… Time to play for a national championship in division one football The intensity gets turned up… It’s Really really hard, For a program like UCF or Cincinnati… In a meaningful game… with good college players but few NFL guys… To go toe to toe with Georgia or Alabama who have 20+ nfl guys over 4 classes I don’t mind a 12 team playoff but I wouldn’t expect much from 9-12 For exactly you reasoning I DO mind a 12 team playoff. College football needs fewer non competitive games. To me the risk with this approach is you end up creating more for minimal gain, just the "illusion" of a chance for more schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 16 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: They could technically I’ve also had my hopes up for 20 years for Notre Dame… Only to get crushed in every big game when they are hyped Always outclassed when it matters A School like Oklahoma State would need to score on basically every possession … make it a shootout for a chance That's your opinion. Who had the best defense(s) in the NCAA last year? Georgia and Oklahoma State. OSU managed to shut out practically EVERY TEAM they played last year in the 2nd half. Historically, OSU would have to (and usually are able to) score 40-50 points per game. Last year? No. You saw it first hand as a Notre Dame fan. What did the Pokes do to the Irish in the 2nd half of the Fiesta Bowl? Now, would OSU had beat UGA last year? I don't know. Probably not... but it would damn sure be nice to have a chance. And in 2011, Oklahoma State would have beat both LSU and Alabama. Neither of those teams would have stopped the OSU offense. No team could. There is *nothing* anyone can say to make be feel otherwise. Better resume that entire season than Alabama. 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: For exactly you reasoning I DO mind a 12 team playoff. College football needs fewer non competitive games. To me the risk with this approach is you end up creating more for minimal gain, just the "illusion" of a chance for more schools. So you don't think Baylor or Oklahoma State would have had a chance vs UGA or Alabama last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: So you don't think Baylor or Oklahoma State would have had a chance vs UGA or Alabama last year? Those two (who I think were #5 and #7) maybe, but a very slim chance. I have said I'd have had no complaints whatsoever if they had extended the playoff to 6 teams and done it the old NFL way: Round 1: #6 v #3 #5 v #4 Semi finals: Highest remaining vs #2 Lowest remaining #1 I'd probably support that even. I think it is really tough last year when you have a team like Cincinnati, unbeaten, but from a weaker conference with one quality win against Notre Dame and you are trying to balance that against teams you think are probably more talented but have a loss on their resume. Going to 6 allows you to strike that balance more easily. My problem with the current plan is really the back end. 7-12. #8 Norte Dame played two games against higher ranked teams. They lost by 2 points to the team ranked #7 and by 11 points to the team ranked #4. They'd have got slaughtered by the top two. The year before when they were ranked 4th Clemson beat them by 24 in the ACCCG and Alabama by 17 in the CFPSF. Ole Miss finish #11 and 'Bama smashed them in the regular season. Why would they turn that around in the playoffs? I get it people want more teams to have a realistic shot at a National Championship. That is what everyone should want. But extending the playoffs won't, in and of itself, level the playing field. They need to level the playing field FIRST and then extend the playoff system after. We need schedule reform and conference reform as a minimum. I get it that they are probably not going to happen, but the playoff expansion that is planned is not an alternative way of getting to the same place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Those two (who I think were #5 and #7) maybe, but a very slim chance. I have said I'd have had no complaints whatsoever if they had extended the playoff to 6 teams and done it the old NFL way: Round 1: #6 v #3 #5 v #4 Semi finals: Highest remaining vs #2 Lowest remaining #1 I'd probably support that even. I think it is really tough last year when you have a team like Cincinnati, unbeaten, but from a weaker conference with one quality win against Notre Dame and you are trying to balance that against teams you think are probably more talented but have a loss on their resume. Going to 6 allows you to strike that balance more easily. My problem with the current plan is really the back end. 7-12. #8 Norte Dame played two games against higher ranked teams. They lost by 2 points to the team ranked #7 and by 11 points to the team ranked #4. They'd have got slaughtered by the top two. The year before when they were ranked 4th Clemson beat them by 24 in the ACCCG and Alabama by 17 in the CFPSF. Ole Miss finish #11 and 'Bama smashed them in the regular season. Why would they turn that around in the playoffs? I get it people want more teams to have a realistic shot at a National Championship. That is what everyone should want. But extending the playoffs won't, in and of itself, level the playing field. They need to level the playing field FIRST and then extend the playoff system after. We need schedule reform and conference reform as a minimum. I get it that they are probably not going to happen, but the playoff expansion that is planned is not an alternative way of getting to the same place. But it's not just about last year. Look at the Final AP top 25 going back years. We usually have the same 3-4 teams in the top 4, but there are times (more often than not) a team was a "almost in" or "we will never know" outside looking in. 2018 Ohio State 2017 UCF 2017 Wisconsin 2015 Ohio State 2015 Houston 2014 TCU 2013 Michigan State 2012 Oregon 2011 Oklahoma State I just don't see how more football is in issue. We can reduce meaningless non-conference games for power 5 programs v FBS teams all together. Reduce it to 2 non-conference games for each program. Max. You're only then adding another game to a team who wins the NCAA Championship... and again, we can crown a TRUE NCAA championship, not just a mythical one. I agree completely about schedule and conference reform. We can do all three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 1 hour ago, ArdmoreRyno said: But it's not just about last year. Look at the Final AP top 25 going back years. We usually have the same 3-4 teams in the top 4, but there are times (more often than not) a team was a "almost in" or "we will never know" outside looking in. 2018 Ohio State 2017 UCF 2017 Wisconsin 2015 Ohio State 2015 Houston 2014 TCU 2013 Michigan State 2012 Oregon 2011 Oklahoma State I just don't see how more football is in issue. We can reduce meaningless non-conference games for power 5 programs v FBS teams all together. Reduce it to 2 non-conference games for each program. Max. You're only then adding another game to a team who wins the NCAA Championship... and again, we can crown a TRUE NCAA championship, not just a mythical one. I agree completely about schedule and conference reform. We can do all three. Mythical? Maybe you should come up for air. Do you think that the 2021 chanpionship (OSU vs Bama)was "mythical?" Please. And as fas os OK State beating Bama in the year they beat LSU, no possible way. LSU barely made it across midfield. I wonder if OK State would have made it past their own 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Mythical? Maybe you should come up for air. Do you think that the 2021 chanpionship (OSU vs Bama)was "mythical?" Please. And as fas os OK State beating Bama in the year they beat LSU, no possible way. LSU barely made it across midfield. I wonder if OK State would have made it past their own 30. Since there is no NCAA trophy awarded, no real playoff... it's been called "Mythical" for decades. You new to college football? As for the 2011 team, we will never know. That's why we needed an expansion of the BCS or a Playoff. That's one of the MAIN reasons why we have it now... the 2011 season and OSU getting screwed over. You clearly didn't watch much of the 2011 OSU season if you think we wouldn't be able to move the ball. Near 50 points per game and the last half of the season, was closer to 60 ppg. Alabama didn't win their conference, Alabama didn't even win their own division. Alabama had a crap resume compared to Oklahoma State that year. We've talked about this before. TEAM A Beat #10, #11, #17, #22 and #25 during the regular season Beat 7 total bowl bound teams with winning records Jeff Sagarin's Conference Power Rank: #1 SOS: 6th Won Conference Championship LONE LOSS: On the road in doubt OT TEAM B Beat #8 and #21 teams during the regular season Beat 3 total bowl bound teams with winning records Sagarin's Conference Power Rank: #2 SOS: 29th Did not play in conference championship LONE LOSS: At home in OT Take team names out... only a Alabama homer would say "TEAM B! TEAM B!" Edited September 13, 2022 by ArdmoreRyno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 5 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said: That's your opinion. Who had the best defense(s) in the NCAA last year? Georgia and Oklahoma State. OSU managed to shut out practically EVERY TEAM they played last year in the 2nd half. Historically, OSU would have to (and usually are able to) score 40-50 points per game. Last year? No. You saw it first hand as a Notre Dame fan. What did the Pokes do to the Irish in the 2nd half of the Fiesta Bowl? Now, would OSU had beat UGA last year? I don't know. Probably not... but it would damn sure be nice to have a chance. And in 2011, Oklahoma State would have beat both LSU and Alabama. Neither of those teams would have stopped the OSU offense. No team could. There is *nothing* anyone can say to make be feel otherwise. Better resume that entire season than Alabama. So you don't think Baylor or Oklahoma State would have had a chance vs UGA or Alabama last year? That’s also your opinion You haven’t seen Oklahoma State in a final four playoffs with all the chips on the line I do believe Georgia and Alabama would be scoring a lot of points and Oklahoma State would have to score a lot … especially last year If Notre Dame scored 30 , Georgia is scoring a lot more Yeah Oklahoma State has a good second half defense but that’s not the college football championship on the line … I don’t believe they would hold the best SEC team to under 28 … it would be a shootout in the 30s or Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: That’s also your opinion You haven’t seen Oklahoma State in a final four playoffs with all the chips on the line I do believe Georgia and Alabama would be scoring a lot of points and Oklahoma State would have to score a lot … especially last year If Notre Dame scored 30 , Georgia is scoring a lot more Yeah Oklahoma State has a good second half defense but that’s not the college football championship on the line … I don’t believe they would hold the best SEC team to under 28 … it would be a shootout in the 30s or OSU and UGA having the top 2 defenses last season... that's not an opinion. That's a fact. In many of those "2nd half shutouts", teams struggled to score anything in the 1st half. In fact, OSU didn't allow a TD in 3 of the final 6 games of the year. At all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: OSU and UGA having the top 2 defenses last season... that's not an opinion. That's a fact. In many of those "2nd half shutouts", teams struggled to score anything in the 1st half. In fact, OSU didn't allow a TD in 3 of the final 6 games of the year. At all. But it’s also a fact Notre Dame scored 35 If Notre Dame scored 30+ Georgia is scoring more… coan threw for like 5tds and he’s not that great I’m not talking ***** about Oklahoma State… I’m just saying they would have a hard time against Georgia Edited September 13, 2022 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: But it’s also a fact Notre Dame scored 30 If Notre Dame scored 30 Georgia is scoring more… coan threw for like 5tds and he’s not that great I’m not talking ***** about Oklahoma State… I’m just saying they would have a hard time against Georgia Yes, ND scored 28 points in the first half. They were practically shut down in the 2nd. And they wouldn't have beat UGA last year. I'm not saying that, but they would have been able to hang with them. Both teams would have put on a defensive show. Edited September 13, 2022 by ArdmoreRyno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said: Yes, ND scored 28 points in the first half. They were practically shut down in the 2nd. Yes they were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 18 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said: But it's not just about last year. Look at the Final AP top 25 going back years. We usually have the same 3-4 teams in the top 4, but there are times (more often than not) a team was a "almost in" or "we will never know" outside looking in. 2018 Ohio State 2017 UCF 2017 Wisconsin 2015 Ohio State 2015 Houston 2014 TCU 2013 Michigan State 2012 Oregon 2011 Oklahoma State I just don't see how more football is in issue. We can reduce meaningless non-conference games for power 5 programs v FBS teams all together. Reduce it to 2 non-conference games for each program. Max. You're only then adding another game to a team who wins the NCAA Championship... and again, we can crown a TRUE NCAA championship, not just a mythical one. I agree completely about schedule and conference reform. We can do all three. But your argument that there is often a worthy team who just misses out is a good argument for going 4 to 6 and running it like the old NFL conference playoff style. I have already said I agree that would have been a reasonable and sensible step. That isn't my problem with the playoff proposal we have. It is that the teams 12 through 7 have no shot and you are just lining them up to get eaten alive. That is more noncompetitive football not less. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 11:54 AM, ArdmoreRyno said: TEAM A Beat #10, #11, #17, #22 and #25 during the regular season Beat 7 total bowl bound teams with winning records Jeff Sagarin's Conference Power Rank: #1 SOS: 6th Won Conference Championship LONE LOSS: On the road in doubt OT TEAM B Beat #8 and #21 teams during the regular season Beat 3 total bowl bound teams with winning records Sagarin's Conference Power Rank: #2 SOS: 29th Did not play in conference championship LONE LOSS: At home in OT Here, let me help you with this; TEAM A LONE LOSS: On the road in doubt OT - to an unranked opponent. TEAM B LONE LOSS: At home in OT - To the #1 ranked team in the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 9:05 AM, ArdmoreRyno said: And in 2011, Oklahoma State would have beat both LSU and Alabama. Neither of those teams would have stopped the OSU offense. No team could. There is *nothing* anyone can say to make be feel otherwise. In 2011, LSU averaged approx 40 points a game during the regular season. In 2011, LSU failed to score even 10 points in only 2 games. Guess which 2. 16 players on the Bama-LSU defenses got drafted. There was some serious talent on those 2 teams, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Would either team "stopped" OSU? Maybe not. Shut outs can be difficult to achieve. But I can confidently say, either team would have done a much better job than Iowa St did at slowing down the OSU offense. And I seriously doubt OSU would have been prepared for any offense LSU or Bama would have brought to the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Cynical said: In 2011, LSU averaged approx 40 points a game during the regular season. In 2011, LSU failed to score even 10 points in only 2 games. Guess which 2. 16 players on the Bama-LSU defenses got drafted. There was some serious talent on those 2 teams, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Would either team "stopped" OSU? Maybe not. Shut outs can be difficult to achieve. But I can confidently say, either team would have done a much better job than Iowa St did at slowing down the OSU offense. And I seriously doubt OSU would have been prepared for any offense LSU or Bama would have brought to the game. And why are we talking about 2011 in the first place? 2011 was before the playoffs. In the playoff era OSU would have had their shot at LSU in the semi final and Alabama in the final if they got there. The conversation here is about whether an expansion to 12 is a good idea. So unless the argument is Brady Hoke's 12th ranked Michigan team was denied its rightful shot at 'Bama in the Natty then 2011 is entirely irrelevant. EDIT: and I make clear because obviously @Cynical and @BillfromNYC are big Bama guys that I am the opposite of that. I do not support a college team I am a neutral college football fan. I would absolutely LOVE more unpredictability, love more competitiveness. As great as they have been at times within it the Saban dynasty has been boring as hell for CFP more generally. I absolutely want to improve the status quo. I just genuinely believe a 12 team playoff is not the way to go about it. Edited September 15, 2022 by GunnerBill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, Cynical said: In 2011, LSU averaged approx 40 points a game during the regular season. In 2011, LSU failed to score even 10 points in only 2 games. Guess which 2. 16 players on the Bama-LSU defenses got drafted. There was some serious talent on those 2 teams, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Would either team "stopped" OSU? Maybe not. Shut outs can be difficult to achieve. But I can confidently say, either team would have done a much better job than Iowa St did at slowing down the OSU offense. And I seriously doubt OSU would have been prepared for any offense LSU or Bama would have brought to the game. Maybe... if our team had another tragedy take place the same day of the game like we did before the Iowa State game. OSU lost 2 coaches (head coach and assistant basketball coach) in a plane crash the DAY OF THE FOOTBALL GAME. I know Justin Blackman's family pretty well. His sister graduated with my oldest daughter at Plainview (OK). I know Warren (his dad) and mother, who teaches at Ardmore public schools (I'm a school counselor at the HS). That seriously hit the team, hard. They were VERY close to the basketball team and the coaches. So sure, it's possible. But that year, the OSU snub, was a main reason we have the 4 team playoff today... and it's why I'm 100% fore an even more expanded playoff system. LSU averaged 37 ppg that year, had a sub-20 points against Miss State as well... but they were two TOTALLY different offenses. OSU wasn't a run first offense like LSU. We threw it. A lot. We had the two time Biletnikoff Award winner (IMO, the best WR to play in 25 years in college) and our offenses put up scores of 70, 66, 61, 59 and 52 that year. The biggest issue (besides we will never know) is there was a chance to see a team who was a "in the trench" team (LSU) vs the Big XII "Air raid" team and they put another boring game... a rematch... in the final. 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: And why are we talking about 2011 in the first place? 2011 was before the playoffs. In the playoff era OSU would have had their shot at LSU in the semi final and Alabama in the final if they got there. The conversation here is about whether an expansion to 12 is a good idea. So unless the argument is Brady Hoke's 12th ranked Michigan team was denied its rightful shot at 'Bama in the Natty then 2011 is entirely irrelevant. EDIT: and I make clear because obviously @Cynical and @BillfromNYC are big Bama guys that I am the opposite of that. I do not support a college team I am a neutral college football fan. I would absolutely LOVE more unpredictability, love more competitiveness. As great as they have been at times within it the Saban dynasty has been boring as hell for CFP more generally. I absolutely want to improve the status quo. I just genuinely believe a 12 team playoff is not the way to go about it. No, OSU would have played Alabama in the semi-finals. We were barely 3rd place... 0.086 behind Alabama. Edited September 15, 2022 by ArdmoreRyno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 11 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: No, OSU would have played Alabama in the semi-finals. We were barely 3rd place... 0.086 behind Alabama. Apologies, wrong way around. Point stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Look at how fun these Alabama games have been vs LSU and Tenn. Just think how meaningless they would be with 12 teams in playoffs. Alabama would still get in. Say no to expansion of playoffs!!!! There isn't a league out there that has extremely meaningful game for 8 straight weeks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 On 11/7/2022 at 12:41 PM, Back2Buff said: Look at how fun these Alabama games have been vs LSU and Tenn. Just think how meaningless they would be with 12 teams in playoffs. Alabama would still get in. Say no to expansion of playoffs!!!! There isn't a league out there that has extremely meaningful game for 8 straight weeks. This is the opposite takeaway. LSU would still have a chance of getting in, and they may deserve it for knocking off the top ranked team, despite their bad FSU loss week 1. This year has made it extremely clear that OSU, Alabama, Clemson are not gonna just kill everyone else like they normally do. Georgia has been the only team that’s looked like that. The parity in CFB is the most it’s been in like 10 years. I want TCU vs UT. I want Michigan vs USC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 45 minutes ago, FireChans said: This is the opposite takeaway. LSU would still have a chance of getting in, and they may deserve it for knocking off the top ranked team, despite their bad FSU loss week 1. This year has made it extremely clear that OSU, Alabama, Clemson are not gonna just kill everyone else like they normally do. Georgia has been the only team that’s looked like that. The parity in CFB is the most it’s been in like 10 years. I want TCU vs UT. I want Michigan vs USC. LSU in a playoff doesn't drive the needle as an Alabama loss. LSU getting in as an 8 will be a meaningless playoff game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 46 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: LSU in a playoff doesn't drive the needle as an Alabama loss. LSU getting in as an 8 will be a meaningless playoff game. For who? Not for LSU fans. Or USC fans (who they would play if the season ended today and top 2 seeds got a bye). That would be a great game lol The bottom line is bowl season is dying. Players opt out. No one care about winning the Tostito Bowl anymore without a shot at the Natty. You are infinitely better covnerting the top 8 bowls into the remaining playoff games. You will get less kids opting out. They will be playing for something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 43 minutes ago, FireChans said: For who? Not for LSU fans. Or USC fans (who they would play if the season ended today and top 2 seeds got a bye). That would be a great game lol The bottom line is bowl season is dying. Players opt out. No one care about winning the Tostito Bowl anymore without a shot at the Natty. You are infinitely better covnerting the top 8 bowls into the remaining playoff games. You will get less kids opting out. They will be playing for something. For the entire country. One specific fan base <<<<<<<<<<< Entire College Football fanbase. Kids will still opt out and the games will still be trash. Every year there are only 4 teams that have a legit chance. Everyone else is just fluff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Back2Buff said: For the entire country. One specific fan base <<<<<<<<<<< Entire College Football fanbase. Kids will still opt out and the games will still be trash. Every year there are only 4 teams that have a legit chance. Everyone else is just fluff. What are the only 4 teams that have a chance this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 hour ago, FireChans said: What are the only 4 teams that have a chance this year? Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, Tenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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