plenzmd1 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 9 minutes ago, Sundancer said: I LOVE that you downplay the studies but appear eager to ignore counterexamples. Well done "scientist." I downplay studies in light of the real world numbers. You dismiss real world numbers cause you believe so much in the studies. Which one sound counter intuitive to you? Again, make your point using real world numbers form any number of sites .... Let me put it another way..forget there was ever a study by interested parties but out and you were only presented with the following facts: November 24th of 2020 there were 5500 cases of Covid and 39 deaths in NYS and zero vaccinated. November 24th of 2021 there were 7200 cases of Covid and 50 deaths with 70% Vaccinated... your conclusion would be the vaccine works as advertised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 14 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: I downplay studies in light of the real world numbers. You dismiss real world numbers cause you believe so much in the studies. Which one sound counter intuitive to you? Again, make your point using real world numbers form any number of sites .... Let me put it another way..forget there was ever a study by interested parties but out and you were only presented with the following facts: November 24th of 2020 there were 5500 cases of Covid and 39 deaths in NYS and zero vaccinated. November 24th of 2021 there were 7200 cases of Covid and 50 deaths with 70% Vaccinated... your conclusion would be the vaccine works as advertised? Do the US. CA. NC. NJ. FL. Countless others. You're not doing science. You're cherry picking to support your position that vaccines don't work, which is against the great weight of scientific consensus, the studies that you must believe are lies and conspiracies. You've gone off the deep end, but I'm sure there's a community that embraces your growth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) It’s amazing that people like the OP believe they are on the right side of history here. Ironically enough, the liberal dream of M4A will never happen now. Anyone on the fence (myself included) will look back at how they acted during this and balk at ever giving them more power to wield in authoritarian fashion. Edited November 24, 2021 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 48 minutes ago, Sundancer said: I LOVE that you downplay the studies but appear eager to ignore counterexamples. Well done "scientist." There’s an old saying...”There are lies, bigger lies, and statistics...” 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 54 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: again, explain to me how cases are up 25% year over year in NYS on same dates, deaths are up....and yet you claim vaccines work like they were promised. Just explain how that is...using real world numbers and not freaking studies!!!!! I did. You ignored it. 8 minutes ago, SCBills said: It’s amazing that people like the OP believe they are on the right side of history here. Ironically enough, the liberal dream of M4A will never happen now. Anyone on the fence (myself included) will look back at how they acted during this and balk at ever giving them more power to wield in authoritarian fashion. I didn’t realize that writing an insurance policy so that policyholders and stakeholders benefit is authoritarian. Last I checked, that sounds like capitalism. Sounds like you might be on the wrong side of it. I’m sorry to hear that. Hoax. Actually, I don’t care and I hope someone jacks up your premiums so I don’t have to pay for your stupidity if you get sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 14 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: There’s an old saying...”There are lies, bigger lies, and statistics...” 😉 Agreed, and he's using his own narrow slice of statistics to fit his/your narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 6 hours ago, SectionC3 said: Don't want to get a safe vaccine for COVID? Cool. Just make sure when you inevitably get COVID that you shelter in place, maybe even die in place, and don't increase my insurance premiums through your unnecessary hospitalization or waste my tax dollars treating or convalescing on government dime. (Not that any anti-vaxxers would, because of their firm stance against socialism. Hoax. They all would because they're morons who love their social security and medicaid but aren't smart enough to realize that such reallocations are--gasp--socialism.) It's about time someone has suggested something like this with respect to health insurance exclusions. Freedom and capitalism at their finest! https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/rising-covid-cases-and-mask-restrictions-bring-renewed-criticism-and-political-attacks-covid-mask-virus-health/71-d5912b74-e854-4e1e-a82b-f89b88190983 Do you call out smokers, alcoholics, self-induced diabetics and obese people for increasing your insurance premiums and call for health insurance exclusions or do you save this indignation only those who have, for whatever reason, not gotten vaccinated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Do you call out smokers, alcoholics, self-induced diabetics and obese people for increasing your insurance premiums and call for health insurance exclusions or do you save this indignation only those who have, for whatever reason, not gotten vaccinated? It’s not an indignation. And back read. I don’t like gluttons, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: It’s not an indignation. And back read. I don’t like gluttons, either. You sure sound indignant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 22 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: You sure sound indignant. Yup. Because it raises his insurance premiums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sundancer said: Agreed, and he's using his own narrow slice of statistics to fit his/your narrative. Narratives are like butt holes- everybody’s got one...but if you’re lucky, you can block it to find the truth...😉 Edited November 24, 2021 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 18 hours ago, Doc said: Yup. Because it raises his insurance premiums. Yes. That is the one word I read and pretty much stopped. HIS. That and he started a thread to put his indignation on display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: Yes. That is the one word I read and pretty much stopped. HIS. That and he started a thread to put his indignation on display. More poorly thought-out arguments by the 3rd chair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 52 minutes ago, Doc said: More poorly thought-out arguments by the 3rd chair. And it also displays his lack of how group health insurance works. So he’s suggesting medical underwriting? The ACA pretty much did away with that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Another awful take by C3. Not only does he want to enjoy the benefits of group health insurance, but he wants to exclude others so his slice of the cost is less. If you want “ fair” the only way to achieve it is to eliminate health insurance altogether and make all payments for health services out of pocket. Everyone pays the same rate more or less, just like shopping at your local stores or getting a car repair. Health insurance isn’t intended to make anything fair or splitting the cost equally. It’s spreading the cost of services that some will use and some won’t ( to widely varying degrees) among many to reduce the cost to the individual when it IS used. He wants to split a dinner check 4 ways but only put in $2 for the tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 On 11/24/2021 at 6:59 AM, SectionC3 said: Don't want to get a safe vaccine for COVID? Cool. Just make sure when you inevitably get COVID that you shelter in place, maybe even die in place, and don't increase my insurance premiums through your unnecessary hospitalization or waste my tax dollars treating or convalescing on government dime. (Not that any anti-vaxxers would, because of their firm stance against socialism. Hoax. They all would because they're morons who love their social security and medicaid but aren't smart enough to realize that such reallocations are--gasp--socialism.) It's about time someone has suggested something like this with respect to health insurance exclusions. Freedom and capitalism at their finest! https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/rising-covid-cases-and-mask-restrictions-bring-renewed-criticism-and-political-attacks-covid-mask-virus-health/71-d5912b74-e854-4e1e-a82b-f89b88190983 Now do gay people and AIDS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted November 26, 2021 Author Share Posted November 26, 2021 20 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Another awful take by C3. Not only does he want to enjoy the benefits of group health insurance, but he wants to exclude others so his slice of the cost is less. If you want “ fair” the only way to achieve it is to eliminate health insurance altogether and make all payments for health services out of pocket. Everyone pays the same rate more or less, just like shopping at your local stores or getting a car repair. Health insurance isn’t intended to make anything fair or splitting the cost equally. It’s spreading the cost of services that some will use and some won’t ( to widely varying degrees) among many to reduce the cost to the individual when it IS used. He wants to split a dinner check 4 ways but only put in $2 for the tip. Hoax. You want to gorge at the buffet and then make me pay the bill. Get your shot or pay up. America, baby. Freedom. 22 hours ago, Doc said: More poorly thought-out arguments by the 3rd chair. better load up on your HCQ with that new Botswana variant making the rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: better load up on your HCQ with that new Botswana variant making the rounds. No need. Joey promised he'd stop it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Hoax. You want to gorge at the buffet and then make me pay the bill. Get your shot or pay up. America, baby. Freedom. Then get your own individual coverage and get medically underwritten. But don’t B word to us when your premiums potentially go up from what you’re likely paying in your group plan. Again sounds like you don’t understand how this works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted November 29, 2021 Author Share Posted November 29, 2021 Exciting news for those who, like me, love freedom. It turns out that surcharges of up to 30% of the cost of employer-sponsored health insurance can be charged to those who unjustifiably refuse a COVID-19 vaccine. I’m sure that we can all agree that this is great news. And, if you don’t want to get the vax, and want to continue to freeload on my good health habits in the collective pooling of risk, remember that you have the freedom to go without health insurance. (Which makes sense, anyways, because COVID is just another hoax by those evil rotten Democrats. Hoax. It’s not. But we all know that.). Enjoy our freedom, and the inevitable surcharges that will accompany your exercise of your freedom not to get a COVID-19 vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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