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15 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:


So do  we believe Doc or a webpage called antislavery.Org?

 

“Forced labour is the most common element of modern slavery. It is the most extreme form of people exploitation.”

 

This is beyond this board being a cesspool that a person is promoting slavery and another is defending it.

 

Shame

 

Add UN or Doc:

 

According to the  International Labour Organisation (ILO) more than 40 million people worldwide are victims of modern slavery. Although modern slavery is not defined in law, it is used as an umbrella term covering practices such as forced labour, debt bondage, forced marriage, and human trafficking. Essentially, it refers to situations of exploitation that a person cannot refuse or leave because of threats, violence, coercion, deception, and/or abuse of power.
 

https://www.un.org/en/observances/slavery-abolition-day

 

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24 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

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Exactly. Now this where you apologize for defending slavery  and denounce your fellow poster?

24 minutes ago, Irv said:

You’re funny. Thanks. 


It’s really not that you’re pro-slavery.

 

you said “Round up every able body illegal at the border.  Take them totruck driver and longshoreman training. ” I’m just glad for the sake of everyone you stopped short of saying they should be tossed in camps. It’s kind of implied with the rounding up tho.

 

But you did say let’s round up a group a people and force them to work. If they don’t let’s point guns at them.

 

Maybe the most sadistic is you want them to do a good job or else . If they’re not good at the job they still get guns pointed at them.

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I must have missed the slavery part, which I am wholly against. But  I thought the implication was to offer illegals otherwise facing deportation the opportunity to stay in country if they agreed to drive trucks for a certain period of time? If they were properly vetted and went to work for private trucking concerns,  it's an interesting idea, provided there were enough trucks available to support the influx of new drivers. It seems like a Snake Plisken kind of bargain though.

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28 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

Exactly. Now this where you apologize for defending slavery  and denounce your fellow poster?


It’s really not that you’re pro-slavery.

 

you said “Round up every able body illegal at the border.  Take them totruck driver and longshoreman training. ” I’m just glad for the sake of everyone you stopped short of saying they should be tossed in camps. It’s kind of implied with the rounding up tho.

 

But you did say let’s round up a group a people and force them to work. If they don’t let’s point guns at them.

 

Maybe the most sadistic is you want them to do a good job or else . If they’re not good at the job they still get guns pointed at them.

 

Did you miss the part you quoted that I bolded?  Again, not slavery.

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18 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

I must have missed the slavery part, which I am wholly against. But  I thought the implication was to offer illegals otherwise facing deportation the opportunity to stay in country if they agreed to drive trucks for a certain period of time? If they were properly vetted and went to work for private trucking concerns,  it's an interesting idea, provided there were enough trucks available to support the influx of new drivers. It seems like a Snake Plisken kind of bargain though.


Im done arguing this anymore with the others but this was the policy position put together:

 

- Round up every able body illegal at the border. (Round up people)

- Take them to truck driver and longshoreman training. (Put them in “training” camps) 

-After one week training take them to the ports and order them to work. (Order them/force them to work)

-If they do a good job they can stay. 

-If not, make them swim back across the Rio Grand at gunpoint.

 

The policy says to round up people. Force them to work )no guarantees of citizenship in what was provided). If they don’t work or if they do a bad job, they’re out in a dangerous position of swimming the Rio, apparently if it’s too dangerous and they turn around then US people are tasked to shoot them.

 

Thats not my America and it’s a shame if that’s acceptable to other Americans.

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10 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Did you miss the part you quoted that I bolded?  Again, not slavery.


I did.  They can’t leave because of threats. You want people to swim the Rio if they do a bad. If they turn back they’re shot.  How is that not a threat?

 

Do this work… if you don’t, you’ll be out in a spot you could die…. If you do an we don’t approve, you’ll be put in a spot you can die. Sounds like a threat.

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Just now, Backintheday544 said:

I did.  They can’t leave because of threats. You want people to swim the Rio if they do a bad. If they turn back they’re shot.  How is that not a threat?

 

Do this work… if you don’t, you’ll be out in a spot you could die…. If you do an we don’t approve, you’ll be put in a spot you can die. Sounds like a threat.

 

They don't have to do anything and won't be threatened if they go back to their home countries. 

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18 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:


Im done arguing this anymore with the others but this was the policy position put together:

 

- Round up every able body illegal at the border. (Round up people)

- Take them to truck driver and longshoreman training. (Put them in “training” camps) 

-After one week training take them to the ports and order them to work. (Order them/force them to work)

-If they do a good job they can stay. 

-If not, make them swim back across the Rio Grand at gunpoint.

 

The policy says to round up people. Force them to work )no guarantees of citizenship in what was provided). If they don’t work or if they do a bad job, they’re out in a dangerous position of swimming the Rio, apparently if it’s too dangerous and they turn around then US people are tasked to shoot them.

 

Thats not my America and it’s a shame if that’s acceptable to other Americans.

I am ok with arresting people entering the country illegally, we should absolutely be doing that.   And I am ok with offering them a path to citizenship which includes free training because we are kinda (@#$%ed from a logistics perspective right now.  I also think you are confusing training camps, largely a football term, and concentration camps, a Holocaust reference. But if these people are willing to commit, it's not the worst idea ever. 

But nobody should have to swin the Rio, just deport them normally if they don't meet the government's terms.

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47 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

They don't have to do anything and won't be threatened if they go back to their home countries. 


not something in the original proposition you agreed to.

39 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

I am ok with arresting people entering the country illegally, we should absolutely be doing that.   And I am ok with offering them a path to citizenship which includes free training because we are kinda (@#$%ed from a logistics perspective right now.  I also think you are confusing training camps, largely a football term, and concentration camps, a Holocaust reference. But if these people are willing to commit, it's not the worst idea ever. 

But nobody should have to swin the Rio, just deport them normally if they don't meet the government's terms.


Exactly. A path to citizenship is fine if they agree to it. But forcing people to work under threats is not.

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13 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

not something in the original proposition you agreed to.

 

The underlying understanding is that illegals who insist on remaining in the country can choose to do what IRV semi-seriously proposed...or go back to their home countries.  They are no more "slaves" than NFL players are "slaves" to the NFL.

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58 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

The underlying understanding is that illegals who insist on remaining in the country can choose to do what IRV semi-seriously proposed...or go back to their home countries.  They are no more "slaves" than NFL players are "slaves" to the NFL.


This is the position you were defending:

 

I could solve two problems Demented Biden Blunder Buttogag can't figure out in about a minute.  Round up every able body illegal at the border.  Take them to truck driver and longshoreman training.  After one week training take them to the ports and order them to work.  If they do a good job they can stay.  If not, make them swim back across the Rio Grand at gunpoint.  Problems solved.

 

You’re now adding elements that weren’t there , calling it a joke (which there’s no evidence of).

 

The position you’re defending was a position of slavery. He wanted people to work in country under threat of being forced in a dangerous situation and if they retreated that situation they would be shot.

 

Do you believe the position laid out by Irv is good position?

 

Again to remind you what the position is and what you jumped to defend:

 

I could solve two problems Demented Biden Blunder Buttogag can't figure out in about a minute.  Round up every able body illegal at the border.  Take them to truck driver and longshoreman training.  After one week training take them to the ports and order them to work.  If they do a good job they can stay.  If not, make them swim back across the Rio Grand at gunpoint.  Problems solved.

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3 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:


not something in the original proposition you agreed to.


Exactly. A path to citizenship is fine if they agree to it. But forcing people to work under threats is not.

Well, threat of deportation seems ok, no?

2 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:


This is the position you were defending:

 

I could solve two problems Demented Biden Blunder Buttogag can't figure out in about a minute.  Round up every able body illegal at the border.  Take them to truck driver and longshoreman training.  After one week training take them to the ports and order them to work.  If they do a good job they can stay.  If not, make them swim back across the Rio Grand at gunpoint.  Problems solved.

 

You’re now adding elements that weren’t there , calling it a joke (which there’s no evidence of).

 

The position you’re defending was a position of slavery. He wanted people to work in country under threat of being forced in a dangerous situation and if they retreated that situation they would be shot.

 

Do you believe the position laid out by Irv is good position?

 

Again to remind you what the position is and what you jumped to defend:

 

I could solve two problems Demented Biden Blunder Buttogag can't figure out in about a minute.  Round up every able body illegal at the border.  Take them to truck driver and longshoreman training.  After one week training take them to the ports and order them to work.  If they do a good job they can stay.  If not, make them swim back across the Rio Grand at gunpoint.  Problems solved.

I think YOU kinds assumed they couldn't reject the job training thing here, Biddy.

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3 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

This is the position you were defending:

 

I could solve two problems Demented Biden Blunder Buttogag can't figure out in about a minute.  Round up every able body illegal at the border.  Take them to truck driver and longshoreman training.  After one week training take them to the ports and order them to work.  If they do a good job they can stay.  If not, make them swim back across the Rio Grand at gunpoint.  Problems solved.

 

You’re now adding elements that weren’t there , calling it a joke (which there’s no evidence of).

 

The position you’re defending was a position of slavery. He wanted people to work in country under threat of being forced in a dangerous situation and if they retreated that situation they would be shot.

 

Do you believe the position laid out by Irv is good position?

 

Again to remind you what the position is and what you jumped to defend:

 

I could solve two problems Demented Biden Blunder Buttogag can't figure out in about a minute.  Round up every able body illegal at the border.  Take them to truck driver and longshoreman training.  After one week training take them to the ports and order them to work.  If they do a good job they can stay.  If not, make them swim back across the Rio Grand at gunpoint.  Problems solved.

 

Go back and re-read my first response to your childish/idiotic claim that it was slavery.  There was no defense of anything other than my saying that it's not even close to slavery.

 

But hey, I realize it's easier to cry racism and ignore the real problems.  So you do you.

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3 hours ago, Tenhigh said:

Well, threat of deportation seems ok, no?

I think YOU kinds assumed they couldn't reject the job training thing here, Biddy.


If you do bad work, then “If they do a good job they can stay.  If not, make them swim back across the Rio Grand at gunpoint.  Problems solved”

 

If that’s the punishment for bad work I’d hate to see the punishment for non-compliance and refusing to go to these re-education camps.

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Go back and re-read my first response to your childish/idiotic claim that it was slavery.  There was no defense of anything other than my saying that it's not even close to slavery.

 

But hey, I realize it's easier to cry racism and ignore the real problems.  So you do you.


I did. In your original post, you were ignorant to the fact that forced labor is an issue in modern day slavery. I provided you with links to antislavery.Org and the UN to educate you. You’ve provided your “feelings” that what was provided is not a form of slavery.

 

Should we trust your feels that forced labor is not slavery or should we trust international bodies that combat slavery that say forced labor is slavery?

 

here’s another one that says forced labor is slavery 

http://www.endslaverynow.org/learn/slavery-today/forced-labor

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1 minute ago, Backintheday544 said:


If you do bad work, then “If they do a good job they can stay.  If not, make them swim back across the Rio Grand at gunpoint.  Problems solved”

 

If that’s the punishment for bad work I’d hate to see the punishment for non-compliance and refusing to go to these re-education camps.

If all you are looking for is evil, that's all you are gonna see, no?

And "re-education camps"?  Lol really?  Are you referring to Mao's or Stalin's?

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7 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:


Do good guys force people to swim across a dangerous river with weapons drawn so they can’t turn around? I don’t know if I missed that Batman comic.

Depends on what the bad guys did.  Trespassing?  Not appropriate, but I think he was just being hyperbolic.  

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4 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

 I did. In your original post, you were ignorant to the fact that forced labor is an issue in modern day slavery. I provided you with links to antislavery.Org and the UN to educate you. You’ve provided your “feelings” that what was provided is not a form of slavery.
 

 

Should we trust your feels that forced labor is not slavery or should we trust international bodies that combat slavery that say forced labor is slavery?

 

here’s another one that says forced labor is slavery 

http://www.endslaverynow.org/learn/slavery-today/forced-labor

 

Again, since you didn't get it the first 4 times, they can easily return back to their countries of origin and not be forced to work at all and be free.

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8 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Again, since you didn't get it the first 4 times, they can easily return back to their countries of origin and not be forced to work at all and be free.


Again since  you’re about as quick as Trent Edwards scrambling.

 

I called Irvs statement support of slavery. His statement laid out this:

 

- Round up every able body illegal at the border. (Round up people)

- Take them to truck driver and longshoreman training. (Put them in “training” camps) 

-After one week training take them to the ports and order them to work. (Order them/force them to work)

-If they do a good job they can stay. 

-If not, make them swim back across the Rio Grand at gunpoint.

 

You jumped in and supported that statement. That statement.

 

You later added a bunch of qualifiers or whatever. But you defended that statement.

 

Thats who you are. That’s the poster you are. Defending that statement.

 

Add whatever qualifiers you want after the fact. But that’s the policy position you chose to defend. That’s who you are.

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12 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

Again since  you’re about as quick as Trent Edwards scrambling.

 

I called Irvs statement support of slavery. His statement laid out this:

 

- Round up every able body illegal at the border. (Round up people)

- Take them to truck driver and longshoreman training. (Put them in “training” camps) 

-After one week training take them to the ports and order them to work. (Order them/force them to work)

-If they do a good job they can stay. 

-If not, make them swim back across the Rio Grand at gunpoint.

 

You jumped in and supported that statement. That statement.

 

You later added a bunch of qualifiers or whatever. But you defended that statement.

 

Thats who you are. That’s the poster you are. Defending that statement.

 

Add whatever qualifiers you want after the fact. But that’s the policy position you chose to defend. That’s who you are.

 

Try to keep up, dimwit.  Slaves don't get to go home.  Illegals can. 

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12 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Try to keep up, dimwit.  Slaves don't get to go home.  Illegals can. 


you’re responses are about as quick as a Todd Collins release.

 

I don’t know if you English is your first language but in the policy you are defending, the immigrants were released by being forced to swim a very dangerous river and if they needed to turn around they would be shot.

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3 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

you’re responses are about as quick as a Todd Collins release.

 

I don’t know if you English is your first language but in the policy you are defending, the immigrants were released by being forced to swim a very dangerous river and if they needed to turn around they would be shot.

 

Try again, Brian Flores talking Deshaun Watson. 

 

What was understood was that they could always go home instead.  Nothing forced on them if they did that, right? 

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1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Try again, Brian Flores talking Deshaun Watson. 

 

What was understood was that they could always go home instead.  Nothing forced on them if they did that, right? 


Lame not even a Bills reference….

 

I give you props you read the Republican playbook better than Billy Joe Hobert read the Bills.

 

Unfortunately you’re arguments are as weak as a Nathan Peterman pass vs the Chargers..

 

This is the post you defended:

I could solve two problems Demented Biden Blunder Buttogag can't figure out in about a minute.  Round up every able body illegal at the border.  Take them to truck driver and longshoreman training.  After one week training take them to the ports and order them to work.  If they do a good job they can stay.  If not, make them swim back across the Rio Grand at gunpoint.  Problems solved.   
 

 

Where is the they can go just

go home? There’s a don’t good and we will threaten you with having to cross a dangerous river or be shot.

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9 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

Lame not even a Bills reference….

 

I give you props you read the Republican playbook better than Billy Joe Hobert read the Bills.

 

Unfortunately you’re arguments are as weak as a Nathan Peterman pass vs the Chargers..

 

This is the post you defended:

I could solve two problems Demented Biden Blunder Buttogag can't figure out in about a minute.  Round up every able body illegal at the border.  Take them to truck driver and longshoreman training.  After one week training take them to the ports and order them to work.  If they do a good job they can stay.  If not, make them swim back across the Rio Grand at gunpoint.  Problems solved.   
 

 

Where is the they can go just

go home? There’s a don’t good and we will threaten you with having to cross a dangerous river or be shot.

 

What was that about English as a second language?  Anyway...

 

Illegals can always go home.  Hell we deport hundreds every day, without making them cross a dangerous river or being shot.  Is this news to you?  Therefore the choice is "leave or be rounded up."  Again, slaves never had that choice.

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6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

What was that about English as a second language?  Anyway...

 

Illegals can always go home.  Hell we deport hundreds every day, without making them cross a dangerous river or being shot.  Is this news to you?  Therefore the choice is "leave or be rounded up."  Again, slaves never had that choice.


Yea, they can. But that’s not the policy you were defending. Stop moving the goal posts. Stop deflecting from the argument.
 

I feel bad if you’re illiterate and can’t read this since this has been posted multiple times. But…

 

This is the post you defended:

I could solve two problems Demented Biden Blunder Buttogag can't figure out in about a minute.  Round up every able body illegal at the border.  Take them to truck driver and longshoreman training.  After one week training take them to the ports and order them to work.  If they do a good job they can stay.  If not, make them swim back across the Rio Grand at gunpoint.  Problems solved.   

 

 

Defend that. That’s what you decided to talk in this thread about. That’s Irvs post you decided to defend. You didn’t have to. You made the choice to say hey what Irv said is okay.

 

Defend that. Don’t add qualifications to it. That’s what you defended this morning. Defend it now.

 

I highly doubt you can defend that position because it’s terrible. I tried to come up with a Jeff Posey joke but this is too serious.

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11 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

Yea, they can. But that’s not the policy you were defending. Stop moving the goal posts. Stop deflecting from the argument.
 

I feel bad if you’re illiterate and can’t read this since this has been posted multiple times. But…

 

This is the post you defended:

I could solve two problems Demented Biden Blunder Buttogag can't figure out in about a minute.  Round up every able body illegal at the border.  Take them to truck driver and longshoreman training.  After one week training take them to the ports and order them to work.  If they do a good job they can stay.  If not, make them swim back across the Rio Grand at gunpoint.  Problems solved.   

 

 

Defend that. That’s what you decided to talk in this thread about. That’s Irvs post you decided to defend. You didn’t have to. You made the choice to say hey what Irv said is okay.

 

Defend that. Don’t add qualifications to it. That’s what you defended this morning. Defend it now.

 

I highly doubt you can defend that position because it’s terrible. I tried to come up with a Jeff Posey joke but this is too serious.

 

Thanks.  We're done here.

 

And I didn't even have to mention that it would be Biden's Admin supposedly rounding them up, much less forcing them to work or be killed.  Shyeah, right!

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32 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:


Again, it was a right wing proposal by a right wing board member here. 

You don’t get it.  They’re not slaves if they’re getting paid you moron. 

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I don't understand this nonsense regarding "retraining" or "path to citizenship" or "slavery".  None of these people should be in the country.  NOT A SINGLE ONE.  There is a reason they are called illegal immigrants.  They are here without our permission and have violated the laws of our sovereign country. 

 

The best case scenario they should be able to hope for is that they are:

a.  Stopped at the border

b.  Vetted to make sure they have skills our country needs and no criminal past

c.  Allowed to apply for a temporary green card which allows them into the country on a temporary basis.

d.  IF they are a model green card holder they should be able to APPLY for a path to citizenship.

 

Anyone already in this country illegally has violated our laws.  Their assets should be seized and they should be returned to their home country with no further path to re-entering the United States.   

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52 minutes ago, Precision said:

I don't understand this nonsense regarding "retraining" or "path to citizenship" or "slavery".  None of these people should be in the country.  NOT A SINGLE ONE.  There is a reason they are called illegal immigrants.  They are here without our permission and have violated the laws of our sovereign country. 

 

The best case scenario they should be able to hope for is that they are:

a.  Stopped at the border

b.  Vetted to make sure they have skills our country needs and no criminal past

c.  Allowed to apply for a temporary green card which allows them into the country on a temporary basis.

d.  IF they are a model green card holder they should be able to APPLY for a path to citizenship.

 

Anyone already in this country illegally has violated our laws.  Their assets should be seized and they should be returned to their home country with no further path to re-entering the United States.   

My confusion is that we already have millions of people in the US getting paid to do nothing that could do the work if they had the proper motivation.  Why are we importing more people to pay to do nothing?  Both scenarios sound like they're aligned with the administration's "human infrastructure" bill. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

My confusion is that we already have millions of people in the US getting paid to do nothing that could do the work if they had the proper motivation.  Why are we importing more people to pay to do nothing?  Both scenarios sound like they're aligned with the administration's "human infrastructure" bill.

 

It's all for votes.  Dem policies allow illegals to enter, get them chained to government assistance, and they have a Dem voter for life.

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8 hours ago, Irv said:

You don’t get it.  They’re not slaves if they’re getting paid you moron. 


You’re the moron. Slaves can get paid. Some were paid in America during Americas slavery period.

 

Im sorry you don’t know basic history. What a mess!

 

Heres a quick one:

https://www.monticello.org/slavery/slavery-faqs/work/
 

Jefferson paid enslaved persons for work outside their normal work day ("in their own time") and for performing unusually difficult or unpleasant tasks like cleaning the chimneys or the privies. 

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Biden's Effort to Explain Supply Chain Crisis Goes off the Rails

 

 

When the media tried to sell Joe Biden as just this nice old man that everyone could feel comfortable with, that was such a false picture. Anyone watching during his campaign could see what a nasty character Biden could be just from how he would treat voters including snapping at them, calling them names, even cursing at one and threatening to take him outside.

 

Since Biden has been in office, he’s often thrown off all pretense when it comes to how impatient he is. Perhaps one of his biggest faults is never being able to admit when he’s done something wrong. With the Afghanistan withdrawal debacle, for example, Biden blamed everyone else, even the Americans he left behind. As we reported earlier, Biden snapped at a reporter on Saturday, bizarrely screaming about payouts to illegal aliens. But that wasn’t the only special moment that Biden had with reporters yesterday.

 

A reporter, noting a comment from Rep. Abigail Spanberger (D-VA) that he wasn’t elected to be FDR but rather to not be chaotic, asked: How did he view his “mandate” after the results of the elections on Tuesday? He didn’t even begin to answer the question. Instead, Biden insulted both Americans for their failure to understand the supply chain crisis (according to him) and reporters for their failure to explain it to Americans. But then, when he tried to explain it, basically what you got was one long, incoherent ramble. This definitely takes something to try to wrap one’s head around.

 

 

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/11/07/bidens-effort-to-explain-supply-chain-crisis-goes-off-the-rails-n471204

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

So we've had this supply chain issue for how many months now?  I see the line of ships off the coast here grow bigger and bigger every week.  There are ways to "fix" this but I've heard NOTHING from our leaders.  What are they waiting for?

 

Poll numbers?  Focus group suggestions?

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