JaCrispy Posted October 6, 2021 Posted October 6, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 12:18 PM, SoCal Deek said: Never seen the movie? Expand Was that the name of the movie or a quote?
SoCal Deek Posted October 6, 2021 Posted October 6, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 12:20 PM, JaCrispy said: Was that the name of the movie or a quote? Expand Soylent Green A classic! Charlton Heston 1973
JaCrispy Posted October 6, 2021 Posted October 6, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 12:22 PM, SoCal Deek said: Soylent Green A classic! Charlton Heston 1973 Expand Ahh, nice...I like Heston 👍
SoCal Deek Posted October 6, 2021 Posted October 6, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 12:24 PM, JaCrispy said: Ahh, nice...I like Heston 👍 Expand If you do nothing else this Sunday afternoon while waiting for the Bills game to start, watch the movie. You’ll understand the parallels to the current level of Covid discourse. 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 6, 2021 Posted October 6, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 8:05 AM, Sundancer said: Rebelling against science. Americans leading the March back to the Middle Ages. Bravo. Expand I think it boils down to most people making a rational risk assessment of the situation and concluding the lock downs, restrictions, and political edicts are a bigger threat and risk to their social and economic well-being and safety than the virus. 1 1
Wacka Posted October 6, 2021 Posted October 6, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 9:44 AM, Doc Brown said: Completely ineffective? Do you think it helped at all as far as symptoms and deaths are concerned for the vaccinated who caught the Delta variant? Expand Did I say completely? Might have helped but we don't know. I have read that Delta is more easily caught but tnot as severe as the original strain. Sorry if I'm not clear, please remember what I had to go through the last three weeks.
JaCrispy Posted October 6, 2021 Posted October 6, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 12:39 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: I think it boils down to most people making a rational risk assessment of the situation and concluding the lock downs, restrictions, and political edicts are a bigger threat and risk to their social and economic well-being and safety than the virus. Expand Ding ding ding!!! Could not have said it better myself...well done sir! 👍 1
SoCal Deek Posted October 6, 2021 Posted October 6, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 12:39 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: I think it boils down to most people making a rational risk assessment of the situation and concluding the lock downs, restrictions, and political edicts are a bigger threat and risk to their social and economic well-being and safety than the virus. Expand We’ll said…but I’ll add to it. If the Biden Administration REALLY wanted to end the pandemic they’d do the simple things first; like change the messenger. Tell Dr Doom his time is done and get a new National spokesperson for the effort. But no….that’s be too simple. We need to keep people divided. Great job Joe! What a clown. 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 6, 2021 Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) On 10/6/2021 at 12:55 PM, SoCal Deek said: We’ll said…but I’ll add to it. If the Biden Administration REALLY wanted to end the pandemic they’d do the simple things first; like change the messenger. Tell Dr Doom his time is done and get a new National spokesperson for the effort. But no….that’s be too simple. We need to keep people divided. Great job Joe! What a clown. Expand Until Dr. Fauci is no longer useful to the administration I expect he will stay put. This relationship seems similar to the consultancy model companies use when they go through periodic reorganization and force reduction activities. Management needs to make changes so they contract out to "experts" to assess and provide recommendations. "Sorry we had to eliminate your job or your organization but credentialed experts studied the situation and we need to act on their expert recommendations". Fauci provides similar cover as a credentialed medical expect. Sorry we had to lock you in your basement for 6 months but the experts told us that would be best and we need to follow the science. Plausible deniability. So they can say I'm not imposing draconian lock downs on you, its the science, as defined by experts. In truth what they are following is the subjective opinions of specific experts, while ignoring other experts and non-confirming facts that might differ, and not really science or medical facts. Edited October 6, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills
SoCal Deek Posted October 6, 2021 Posted October 6, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 1:09 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: Until Dr. Fauci is no longer useful to the administration I expect he will stay put. This relationship seems similar to the consultancy model companies use when they go through periodic reorganization and force reduction activities. Management needs to make changes so they contract out to "experts" to assess and provide recommendations. "Sorry we had to eliminate your job or your organization but credentialed experts studied the situation and we need to act on their expert recommendations". Fauci provides similar cover as a credentialed medical expect. Sorry we had to lock you in your basement for 6 months but the experts told us that would be best and we need to follow the science. Plausible deniability. So they can say I'm not imposing draconian lock downs on you, its the science, as defined by experts. In truth what they are following is the subjective opinions of specific experts, while ignoring other experts and non-confirming facts that might differ, and not really science or medical facts. Expand It’s WAY WAY worse than that. Biden and his socialist clan WANT the division to continue. It’s the stepping stool they plan on using to bring the clamps down on a free people for all manner of coming mandates. This is not an act of omission. It’s a blatant act of commission! 1 1
Sundancer Posted October 6, 2021 Posted October 6, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 12:39 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: I think it boils down to most people making a rational risk assessment of the situation and concluding the lock downs, restrictions, and political edicts are a bigger threat and risk to their social and economic well-being and safety than the virus. Expand What does your doctor recommend? Or do you to Beach’s doctor who recommends his friends not get the vaccine and hides his vaccine status? Beach also has a girlfriend but she lives in Canada and he sees her when he’s on summer break.
Wacka Posted October 6, 2021 Posted October 6, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 12:20 PM, JaCrispy said: Was that the name of the movie or a quote? Expand IfI remember correctly, the final line of the movie.
SoCal Deek Posted October 6, 2021 Posted October 6, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 5:17 PM, Wacka said: IfI remember correctly, the final line of the movie. Expand A classic! I'm just sitting back now, while all the people scream at and past each other over vaccine mandates. Nobody is convincing anyone. Not one mind is being changed. What is the point of all this wasted time? Can Joe Biden get off his lazy butt, put some actual work and time into the problem so as to move the discussion from a total stalemate? Answer: apparently not!
plenzmd1 Posted October 6, 2021 Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) On 10/6/2021 at 4:43 PM, Sundancer said: What does your doctor recommend? Or do you to Beach’s doctor who recommends his friends not get the vaccine and hides his vaccine status? Beach also has a girlfriend but she lives in Canada and he sees her when he’s on summer break. Expand My doctor recommends some things I dismiss, including taking statins and one ortho who insisted I needed shoulder surgery which I nixed and rehabbed instead with exercises I found online. Doctors are not omniscient , and several have differing opinions on several subjects. People should certainly weigh what their doctors say carefully, but also do their own research and make their own health decisions. Edited October 6, 2021 by plenzmd1
Doc Posted October 6, 2021 Posted October 6, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 9:22 AM, oldmanfan said: First an OAN video doesn’t inspire my confidence. Second, there is data indicating natural immunity gives protection, but to get that protection you have to get Covid and thus risk dying from the disease. Third, not all who get Covid mount a robust immune reaction whereas they do after vaccination. I would be all for people who have mounted a solid immune response to either not need a vaccine or perhaps get one shot of the mRNA vaccine as a booster; I think Israel is doing that. What you’d really need to have though for each patient is a measure of their memory B cell response and their T cell immunity, not just a simple antibody test. Those are what would confer long lasting protection. As for supposedy counting deaths wrong, no. Let’s say you have a heart condition but are managing it well. But you get Covid. Covid causes dramatic changes to your vasculature and thus your heart gives out. That is a death caused by Covid, not because you had heart disease. Expand Those who don't mount a robust immune reaction after getting Wuhan virus probably won't after getting the vaccine either.
Sundancer Posted October 7, 2021 Posted October 7, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 8:02 PM, plenzmd1 said: My doctor recommends some things I dismiss, including taking statins and one ortho who insisted I needed shoulder surgery which I nixed and rehabbed instead with exercises I found online. Doctors are not omniscient , and several have differing opinions on several subjects. People should certainly weigh what their doctors say carefully, but also do their own research and make their own health decisions. Expand Cool cool. Lots of doctors recommending patients skip the vaccine? And yours? Ignoring doctors sounds like the perfect path to healthy living.
plenzmd1 Posted October 7, 2021 Posted October 7, 2021 On 10/7/2021 at 1:08 AM, Sundancer said: Cool cool. Lots of doctors recommending patients skip the vaccine? And yours? Ignoring doctors sounds like the perfect path to healthy living. Expand Doing your own research , with all the options available to you today, and making decisions in conjunction with your doctor sounds like the path to take to me. Do you not believe in 2nd opinions? Do you blindly follow every doctor you have ever seen? do you know what they call the guy who was last in their class at med school?
Sundancer Posted October 7, 2021 Posted October 7, 2021 On 10/7/2021 at 7:22 AM, plenzmd1 said: Doing your own research , with all the options available to you today, and making decisions in conjunction with your doctor sounds like the path to take to me. Do you not believe in 2nd opinions? Do you blindly follow every doctor you have ever seen? do you know what they call the guy who was last in their class at med school? Expand What does your doctor and every doctor besides Beach’s doctor, who gives shadow recommendations, recommend? Your Twitter research is cute and a uniquely American response to the pandemic.
unbillievable Posted October 7, 2021 Posted October 7, 2021 Has the internet made universities obsolete?
plenzmd1 Posted October 7, 2021 Posted October 7, 2021 On 10/7/2021 at 10:04 AM, Sundancer said: What does your doctor and every doctor besides Beach’s doctor, who gives shadow recommendations, recommend? Your Twitter research is cute and a uniquely American response to the pandemic. Expand So, let me get this straight. You just blindly do everything that any doctor recommends you do? Do you understand the litigious society we live in? Do you think any doctor is going to expose themselves in regards to this vaccine? Let me tell you from experience, Docs always default to meds or surgery, its easy and it insulates them from litigation. I know from years of experience with my son...you do understand with the ADHD meds, they have no clue why they work and what the long term affects will be of sustained. prolonged use of stimulants...and yet its the first and most often only solution pediatricians will recommend for ADHD. About May of 2020, i had an ortho tell me the damage to my shoulder could only be fixed with an expensive surgery with several months of post surgery rehab. I researched the injury, exercises and equipment i could use to rehab...and what do ya know my shoulder is just fine today. I have also had docs tell me my SI joint dysfunction needed surgery as only option...and what do you know, strength exercises i researched online and the occasional chiro visit and i manage just fine And yes, i am thankful the internet exists and it affords us layman the ability to dig in and find out what may be best for ourselves and families, and not blindly follow a doctor. But god bless you think they are infallible.
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