dgrochester55 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 I was not anti-vax during COVID. I chose the J&J in 2021 and then Novavax after it came out. I just did not trust the mRNA ones and it is starting to look like my intuition was valid. If COVID turns about to be connected to triggering autoimmune diseases as some scientist are currently researching, then we just gave millions of people a lifetime of sickness. When they made a clause waiving liability on Pfizer and Moderna for ten years right as they were released, that was a huge red flag for me. 1 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted May 27 Posted May 27 2 hours ago, JFKjr said: Moar vaccines! I will take one big point this year as far as the flu shot that I think matters. Those who got the shot were likely the more prone to get sick and therefore the numbers should be looked at with a grain of salt. Of course that also proves the fact the efficacy of the shots for the past 40 years is likely much lower than the straight numbers show, but that is a discussion for a day when we have time to discuss stats and how they are derived. 1
JFKjr Posted July 19 Posted July 19 Scientists have discovered that Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine may increase the risk of eye damage, leading to vision loss. The new study specifically examined how the vaccine affected patients' corneas, the clear front part of the eye that allows light to enter. In 64 people, scientists in Turkey measured changes in the cornea's inner layer, called the endothelium, before taking the first Pfizer dose and two months after receiving the second. Results revealed that taking both doses of the vaccine led to thicker corneas, fewer endothelial cells in the eye and more variation in size of these specialized cells that form the endothelium. In the short term, these changes suggest the Pfizer vaccine may temporarily weaken the endothelium, even though patients didn't suffer clear vision problems during the study. For people with healthy eyes, these small changes likely won't affect vision right away. Pfizer Covid Shot Linked To Eye Damage 1
JDHillFan Posted July 19 Posted July 19 (edited) 9 minutes ago, JFKjr said: Scientists have discovered that Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine may increase the risk of eye damage, leading to vision loss. The new study specifically examined how the vaccine affected patients' corneas, the clear front part of the eye that allows light to enter. In 64 people, scientists in Turkey measured changes in the cornea's inner layer, called the endothelium, before taking the first Pfizer dose and two months after receiving the second. Results revealed that taking both doses of the vaccine led to thicker corneas, fewer endothelial cells in the eye and more variation in size of these specialized cells that form the endothelium. In the short term, these changes suggest the Pfizer vaccine may temporarily weaken the endothelium, even though patients didn't suffer clear vision problems during the study. For people with healthy eyes, these small changes likely won't affect vision right away. Pfizer Covid Shot Linked To Eye Damage A small price to pay for getting a shot that neither prevented you from getting Covid nor spreading it. Something like that. Edited July 19 by JDHillFan 1 1 1
The Frankish Reich Posted July 19 Author Posted July 19 2 hours ago, JFKjr said: Scientists have discovered that Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine may increase the risk of eye damage, leading to vision loss. The new study specifically examined how the vaccine affected patients' corneas, the clear front part of the eye that allows light to enter. In 64 people, scientists in Turkey measured changes in the cornea's inner layer, called the endothelium, before taking the first Pfizer dose and two months after receiving the second. Results revealed that taking both doses of the vaccine led to thicker corneas, fewer endothelial cells in the eye and more variation in size of these specialized cells that form the endothelium. In the short term, these changes suggest the Pfizer vaccine may temporarily weaken the endothelium, even though patients didn't suffer clear vision problems during the study. For people with healthy eyes, these small changes likely won't affect vision right away. Pfizer Covid Shot Linked To Eye Damage tl;dr Pfizer vaccine correlated to minor/ clinically insignificant and temporary thickening of cornea in some subjects. Panic!!!
Orlando Buffalo Posted July 19 Posted July 19 3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: tl;dr Pfizer vaccine correlated to minor/ clinically insignificant and temporary thickening of cornea in some subjects. Panic!!! Frankish this belittling of side effects from a medication that did minimal good that YOU advocated be forced on every child in our country is a terrible look. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted July 19 Author Posted July 19 1 minute ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Frankish this belittling of side effects from a medication that did minimal good that YOU advocated be forced on every child in our country is a terrible look. I don't recall saying anything about whether children below a certain age should get it. To say it did "minimal good" without rigorous study or citation to such study more about mood affiliation than analysis. And remember, when we are talking about herd effects, the efficacy of a vaccine on the individual recipient is not the sole form of analysis. If the vaccines caused widespread horrific side effects, I think we'd be seeing better evidence than this after 4+ years.
CoudyBills Posted July 19 Posted July 19 On 5/21/2025 at 5:27 PM, B-Man said: Due process ? . Public executions would be better at this point. On 7/3/2025 at 10:58 PM, B-Man said: How much longer are people supposed to put up with the very real danger someone like Bill Gates poses?
thenorthremembers Posted July 19 Posted July 19 5 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: Public executions would be better at this point. How much longer are people supposed to put up with the very real danger someone like Bill Gates poses? Until God steps in and reminds Mr. Gates that playing God is different than being God. 1 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted July 20 Posted July 20 3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: I don't recall saying anything about whether children below a certain age should get it. To say it did "minimal good" without rigorous study or citation to such study more about mood affiliation than analysis. And remember, when we are talking about herd effects, the efficacy of a vaccine on the individual recipient is not the sole form of analysis. If the vaccines caused widespread horrific side effects, I think we'd be seeing better evidence than this after 4+ years. We have to do rigorous study to confirm minimal good? WTF more do you need? The shot lasted 6-8 weeks for most people and those under 35 had no worse than a mild flu 95% of the time even when they got it. There is no evidence, and mean none, that the shot gave a long term boost to someone's immune system, and some studies show that it weakened it. There are literally articles stating getting really sick after the shot is a good thing. Myocarditis increased in young men. The fact that you are acting like what happened in NYS and other states to kids was ok and not completely immoral and evil is sad to me because you are smart enough to see it. https://www.bu.edu/neidl/2023/12/its-good-to-feel-bad-after-your-covid-shot/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9249050/
ScotSHO Posted July 20 Posted July 20 Frank still stands by his thread. Liberals never change their mind, once it's made up. 1
CoudyBills Posted July 20 Posted July 20 3 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: We have to do rigorous study to confirm minimal good? WTF more do you need? The shot lasted 6-8 weeks for most people and those under 35 had no worse than a mild flu 95% of the time even when they got it. There is no evidence, and mean none, that the shot gave a long term boost to someone's immune system, and some studies show that it weakened it. There are literally articles stating getting really sick after the shot is a good thing. Myocarditis increased in young men. The fact that you are acting like what happened in NYS and other states to kids was ok and not completely immoral and evil is sad to me because you are smart enough to see it. https://www.bu.edu/neidl/2023/12/its-good-to-feel-bad-after-your-covid-shot/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9249050/ Or he is a bitter old boomer whose best days are long past, and his mind is prone to wandering.
Orlando Buffalo Posted July 21 Posted July 21 Not specifically about the vaccine but basically covers it all
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