Buffarukus Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 37 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Ever since reading The Bell Curve I wanted to ask Charles Murray a hypothetical: If white people had been stolen away from European by the millions and held captive in slavery in Asia for hundreds of years, and during that period it was illegal for them to learn to read the native language, how would that population would fair on IQ tests and in schools in the Asian language once it was legal for them to learn to read to attend school? And if the white population performed at a significantly poorer rate than their Asian counterparts, would that prove that Asians are inherently smarter than white people? to further look at your claim we again look at immigrants. not only not knowing how to read or write, english!...outside any classes they have taken. also having to learn american customs (reading from left to right ect ect) while navigating a brand new, never before seen landscape away from everyone and thing they have ever known... i think that at the least is equal playing field to your assertion of past racism effects yet somehow not only doing well in school, but being successful in american society. all colors and nationalities regardless of background. at some point you have to relook at your ideas and say maybe there are more factors then what you think. my guess is that you don't want to because it would bring you to a conclusion you do not want to investigate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 23 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: to further look at your claim we again look at immigrants. not only not knowing how to read or write, english!...outside any classes they have taken. also having to learn american customs (reading from left to right ect ect) while navigating a brand new, never before seen landscape away from everyone and thing they have ever known... i think that at the least is equal playing field to your assertion of past racism effects yet somehow not only doing well in school, but being successful in american society. all colors and nationalities regardless of background. at some point you have to relook at your ideas and say maybe there are more factors then what you think. my guess is that you don't want to because it would bring you to a conclusion you do not want to investigate. The same could be said of so many white people who expend tremendous energy to fight for the idea that racism has no effect in America, and America owes no one anything to make amends for the harms of racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Just now, Motorin' said: The same could be said of so many white people who expend tremendous energy to fight for the idea that racism has no effect in America, and America owes no one anything to make amends for the harms of racism. Which is interesting considering so many black and asian parents seem to show up in these viral meetings standing against CRT. Are they simply “white adjacent”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 1 minute ago, SCBills said: Which is interesting considering so many black and asian parents seem to show up in these viral meetings standing against CRT. Are they simply “white adjacent”? I'm not surprised there are black and Asian people that have bought into the propaganda that communists are trying to drain the purity and essence of their children. But it's not the CRT, it's the fluride in the water! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 28 minutes ago, Motorin' said: The same could be said of so many white people who expend tremendous energy to fight for the idea that racism has no effect in America, and America owes no one anything to make amends for the harms of racism. havent seen that at all. there are plenty of programs that have been instituted. afimitive action. special loans and grants. your stereotyping what the discussion is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffarukus said: havent seen that at all. there are plenty of programs that have been instituted. afimitive action. special loans and grants. your stereotyping what the discussion is about. I'd love to see the specifics of the afirmative action and special loans you speak of. Show me the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Motorin' said: I'd love to see the specifics of the afirmative action and special loans you speak of. Show me the numbers. numbers? no i dont do research papers on here anymore. it routinley showed to be a waste of time. so instead. did you watch television this year? did you see how many black police chiefs mayors were african american? did you go to college, check how many loans and grants are specifically designated to underprivlaged minorities? do you work? doesn't your place have a diversity quota implemented for affirmative action? i say you can just look around you but don't know where you live or background. i need to look no further then my boss who just told me to get off my phone and get back to work 😡 Edited July 16, 2021 by Buffarukus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 46 minutes ago, Motorin' said: The same could be said of so many white people who expend tremendous energy to fight for the idea that racism has no effect in America, and America owes no one anything to make amends for the harms of racism. Make amends? There it is again…..it’s about money. Please name your number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Make amends? There it is again…..it’s about money. Please name your number. It's a Constitutional issue embedded in the 1st Amendment. And may be the most important aspect of the 1st Amendment. Without which the rest of the Bill of Rights would be rendered meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Motorin' said: It's a Constitutional issue embedded in the 1st Amendment. And may be the most important aspect of the 1st Amendment. Without which the rest of the Bill of Rights would be rendered meaningless. Once again….let’s start the negotiations. Please state your number so we can move this discussion along. Please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 24 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Once again….let’s start the negotiations. Please state your number so we can move this discussion along. Please! Oh you poor thing. It must be very hard on you not to be able to wash your hands of it exactly how and when you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Motorin' said: Ever since reading The Bell Curve I wanted to ask Charles Murray a hypothetical: If white people had been stolen away from European by the millions and held captive in slavery in Asia for hundreds of years, and during that period it was illegal for them to learn to read the native language, how would that population would fair on IQ tests and in schools in the Asian language once it was legal for them to learn to read to attend school? And if the white population performed at a significantly poorer rate than their Asian counterparts, would that prove that Asians are inherently smarter than white people? This is an interesting take. Have the enslaved Europeans been freed for 150 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Oh you poor thing. It must be very hard on you not to be able to wash your hands of it exactly how and when you want. Still waiting for your dollar figure. Is it a one time payment or installments? By the way, I’m far from poor and my ancestors had nothing to do with the whole thing. So may I be excused? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: This is an interesting take. Have the enslaved Europeans been freed for 150 years? Yes, they've been freed for 150 years, though had to fight for over another 100 years for equal treatment... On average, the white people in Asia's IQ scores and test scores in Mandarin are significantly lower than their Asian counterparts. Does this prove that white people in Asia are inherently less intelligent than their Asian counterparts? 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: Still waiting for your dollar figure. Is it a one time payment or installments? By the way, I’m far from poor and my ancestors had nothing to do with the whole thing. So may I be excused? Feel free to go back to Europe if you do not want to be part of a United America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Feel free to go back to Europe if you do not want to be part of a United America. If I go who are you going to con into giving you your unearned ‘amends’ ? Still waiting for your dollar figure. I may have it in my sofa cushions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Just now, SoCal Deek said: If I go who are you going to con into giving you your unearned ‘amends’ ? Still waiting for your dollar figure. I may have it in my sofa cushions. You think I want the amends made to ME? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, Motorin' said: You think I want the amends made to ME? I have idea who you want it to go to. JUST NAME YOUR FIGURE!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I have idea who you want it to go to. JUST NAME YOUR FIGURE!!!! That's not how amends work. You and I don't get to decide what is owed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Motorin' said: That's not how amends work. You and I don't get to decide what is owed. We’re having trouble communicating here. You mean you can’t even discuss it? Really? Why is it a national security matter? You threw the topic on the table….and now…..nothing. Sheeesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Motorin' said: Yes, they've been freed for 150 years, though had to fight for over another 100 years for equal treatment... On average, the white people in Asia's IQ scores and test scores in Mandarin are significantly lower than their Asian counterparts. Does this prove that white people in Asia are inherently less intelligent than their Asian counterparts? What does it prove to you? And is Mandarin the only language that the Europeans speak now? And do these Europeans value and stress education in their culture? Two parent households? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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