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3 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

 

But it is a very big pimple.  So big it should treated as 3rd butt cheek.

If it wasn't important to other teams they would not be pushing for stadium upgrades.

The upgrades are for club seats, which is not shared revenue.

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Increase capacity to 80,000, add a dome, through in a few corridor trinkets and upgrades and be done with it.

I read this a few minutes ago and my first thought was, why did they even bother releasing this statement. They say they met to discuss the results of an independent study, at least say something of w

Let Wegmans pay for part of it, and they can have restaurants and supply the food.  

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5 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

The upgrades are for club seats, which is not shared revenue.

 

$56M in gate receipts, will pay for Josh Allen's contract, and perhaps a few other players.

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5 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

The upgrades are for club seats, which is not shared revenue.

 

 

I know but there should be no external pressure for Bills to build a new stadium with those seats - opposing teams get no money.  And it is likely the Bills would have trouble selling more club seats especially when those seats come with PSLs.

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1 minute ago, Limeaid said:

 

I know but there should be no external pressure for Bills to build a new stadium with those seats - opposing teams get no money.  And it is likely the Bills would have trouble selling more club seats especially when those seats come with PSLs.

PSL's in a new stadium, might bring my days as a season ticket holder, to an end.

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If I was an opposing team owner I would be more concerned about getting Bills to update the opposition team locker room which I heard from ex-NFL coworker (who played for Jets mostly on PS) is below standard.  Maybe they took the advice of many fans and limit amount of hot water to them.  Another concern of opposition teams would be improving field.. There are limits the Bills can do with design of stadium and field below ground level.

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5 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

If I was an opposing team owner I would be more concerned about getting Bills to update the opposition team locker room which I heard from ex-NFL coworker (who played for Jets mostly on PS) is below standard.  Maybe they took the advice of many fans and limit amount of hot water to them.  Another concern of opposition teams would be improving field.. There are limits the Bills can do with design of stadium and field below ground level.

I'm sure that the Bills are taking heat from other ownership groups, since they are riding on a freebee with the 48 year old County supported Stadium. This is partially reflected (In my opinion) in the less than optimal game scheduling, which tends to be weighted towards the harsher months.  I am hoping against hope, that the team stays in Orchard Park, with or without a new Stadium. A downtown facility, will largely do away with the 'Culture' of game day, which I have to believe, is exactly what the team wants.

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21 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

I'm sure that the Bills are taking heat from other ownership groups, since they are riding on a freebee with the 48 year old County supported Stadium. This is partially reflected (In my opinion) in the less than optimal game scheduling, which tends to be weighted towards the harsher months.  I am hoping against hope, that the team stays in Orchard Park, with or without a new Stadium. A downtown facility, will largely do away with the 'Culture' of game day, which I have to believe, is exactly what the team wants.

 

Part of the reason for this weighting is many other stadiums are more multi-use and more events are scheduled during later part of season there.

Rarely, unless it a hockey game is Bills' (WNY's), is stadium used for anything other than football during late part of season.

If the landlord (WNY) wanted more games played in first half of season they could have other events at stadium even if they were "created" events like training for country employees.  NFL cannot reasonably complain about landlords deciding to use the stadium they rent to Bills for events.

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7 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Minneapolis's stadium is a temperature controlled dome with about 60% of the roof composed of ETFE glass.  They just have an awesome design and were able to build the stadium for 1.1 billion dollars.  Just hire those people and tell them we want the same thing. 

 

A retractable roof isn't worth the money as teams that have it only have it opened about a third of the time.  Plus, four of the five teams that have warmer climates (Dallas, Houston, Arizona, Atlanta).  The Colts being the only exception.

 

I surrendered season tickets years ago after being miserable after a 34 degree rain soaked game during the Bills/Giants game in late '07?  If the Pegula's read this board, I will GLADLY purchase two PSL's if you build a new dome in Orchard Park next to the current stadium.  

 

 

Minneapolis's stadium is NOT a "dome".  Look at it.  https://www.mortenson.com/-/media/project/mortenson/site/images/projects/us-bank-stadium/gallery-3.jpg

 

Where is the "rounded vault" roof?  That's the definition of a dome.

 

As for if it's worth the money, that is a matter of opinion obviously. Many teams have decided it is worth it. I'd say if it was open twice a year, it would be worth it.*  But I think the real issue is that teams should on close it if absolutely necessary. It should almost always be left open. (I think the league has something to say about when the roof is open. But if I were negotiating with the NFL and they wanted a covered stadium, I'd make it a point to get an exemption to let the team open the roof at will.) Then again, Pittsburgh, New England, Cleveland don't have ANY roof over their stadiums. Their fans must be much tougher than many of the posters here.

 

*Actually I don't think a new covered stadium is "worth it". Period. But If forced to build one, then the added cost of a retractable roof is most definately "worth it", IMO.

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39 minutes ago, The Dean said:

(I think the league has something to say about when the roof is open.

 

When they did the Toronto season, I remember reading somewhere the criteria for leaving the roof open.  I don't believe they ever had it open for a game there.  I do remember the first game in the series, pre-season against the Steelers, driving by and seeing the roof open.  But by time the game started, they had closed it. 

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5 hours ago, Limeaid said:

If I was an opposing team owner I would be more concerned about getting Bills to update the opposition team locker room which I heard from ex-NFL coworker (who played for Jets mostly on PS) is below standard.  Maybe they took the advice of many fans and limit amount of hot water to them.  Another concern of opposition teams would be improving field.. There are limits the Bills can do with design of stadium and field below ground level.

I’ve been in the visitor locker room a few times and I must say I’ve seen high schools that have nicer visitors locker rooms . I swear too you they still have 27” bulb tv’s in their . 

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5 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

PSL's in a new stadium, might bring my days as a season ticket holder, to an end.

What about PSL’s in the current stadium?  They will be implemented regardless of stadium, sooner rather than later. 

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16 minutes ago, BTB said:

What about PSL’s in the current stadium?  They will be implemented regardless of stadium, sooner rather than later. 

I highly doubt that would ever happen...

20 minutes ago, Chicharito said:

I’ve been in the visitor locker room a few times and I must say I’ve seen high schools that have nicer visitors locker rooms . I swear too you they still have 27” bulb tv’s in their . 

Interesting. That's not a good look for trying to attract potential Free Agents, if they have that image stuck in their heads.

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On 5/25/2021 at 8:33 PM, 4_kidd_4 said:

I hear they’re retrofitting all men’s rooms to one big sink-toilet each.

Retrofitting? It’s been this way since 1973!

On 5/25/2021 at 9:58 PM, Augie said:

 

The chances of WNY getting a Super Bowl are somewhere between slim and none, for a variety of reasons. I wish that weren’t true, but it is. We don’t even have the hotel rooms, for one thing. 

 

NOW, could we throw one helluva draft party? We could CRUSH that and I’d love to see it! 

 

“A sufficient quantity of quality hotel accommodations is essential to a successful Super Bowl. TI1ere must be 35% as many hotel rooms as the number of Stadium seats guamnteed in the Bid, located in prope1iies within a 60-minute drive ofthe Stadium (e.g. for a 75,000-seat Stadium, there must be a minimum o f 27,000 hotel rooms within the 60-mlimte radius). Distance estimates must be based on peak hour drive-times. Evidence of at least 19,000 top- quality, full service rooms inevocably contracted for the NFL and NFL-related groups must be included in your Bid.”

 

Whats the approximate mileage from Niagara Falls to Orchard Park -in the seemingly unlikely new stadium being built there.. Otherwise, even Canadian Falls hotels can be considered for the Buffalo area, no?

 

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59 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

I highly doubt that would ever happen.

Wishful thinking?  How much have your tickets gone up in the last few years?

 

When is a good time to implement PSL’s?   When demand for tix is at the highest point in 25 years or so!  Don’t think discussions on this subject aren’t happening at OBD.  

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13 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Retrofitting? It’s been this way since 1973!

 

Some of the newer bathrooms added during the last big remodel are actually quite clean and spacious.

 

Gotta know where to look to find em!

 

They unfortunately don’t truly capture the whole classic  “piss in the sink” vibe.

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6 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

 

*Actually I don't think a new covered stadium is "worth it". Period. But If forced to build one, then the added cost of a retractable roof is most definately "worth it", IMO.

 

And you'll hate it because a retractable roof is like a sunroof in sedan... it's still not like a convertible. It's a sedan with a hole in the roof.

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2 hours ago, BTB said:

Wishful thinking?  How much have your tickets gone up in the last few years?

 

When is a good time to implement PSL’s?   When demand for tix is at the highest point in 25 years or so!  Don’t think discussions on this subject aren’t happening at OBD.  

My first season ticket, was $135, in 1989. It is now, $1350/seat for my three seats.

PSL's in the current facility are simply not going to happen.

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2 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

My first season ticket, was $135, in 1989. It is now, $1350/seat for my three seats.

PSL's in the current facility are simply not going to happen.

 

Not in Highmark but once a new stadium is announced? You bet.  But I think they will more Buffalo-priced and fans will be able to spread them out over a few years.

 

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4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

And you'll hate it because a retractable roof is like a sunroof in sedan... it's still not like a convertible. It's a sedan with a hole in the roof.

 

 

Yes. Exactly why I prefer no roof at all.

 

But if I'm buying a new car, not a convertible,  I don't even consider one without a sunroof.

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12 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

And it is likely the Bills would have trouble selling more club seats especially when those seats come with PSLs.

 

The prices for Bills club seats have included a PSL for years now.

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