Random Political Thoughts Inc.

[wnyguy]

21 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

I'll take a stab:  poverty, drug abuse, poor education systems, corruption, less and worse health care (especially rural), vaccine hesitancy, obesity (poor food choices), smoking, rejection or misunderstanding of science, lax or nonexistent environmental laws, desperation.  btw, most of western NC and western Va are red and pink except progressive (and more affluent) areas like Asheville.

And it's hot and not the dry hot.

[Roundybout]

23 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

And it's hot and not the dry hot.

 

Swamp ass is one of the greatest challenges facing our great nation. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

29 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

Rural poverty is extraordinarily difficult to solve. There's an excellent book I read on this called "Hollowing Out the Middle" by Patrick Carr that tries to address certain issues. A key problem is that rural schools are stratified; the smartest kids are given special benefits to go off to college and jobs in other towns, leaving those towns with low-skill people that can only succeed in increasingly sparce industrial jobs. 

That and the belief that is quite prevalent that you "don't live above your raising", beautifully illustrated by Hilary Swank's family in Million Dollar Baby.  there exists a culture that is toxic and self defeating in far too many and it is intergenerational.  The drive to do better is often replaced with resentment and hate

Edited January 16, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tommy Callahan]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

Rural poverty is extraordinarily difficult to solve. There's an excellent book I read on this called "Hollowing Out the Middle" by Patrick Carr that tries to address certain issues. A key problem is that rural schools are stratified; the smartest kids are given special benefits to go off to college and jobs in other towns, leaving those towns with low-skill people that can only succeed in increasingly sparce industrial jobs. 

good point and exactly what happens with the lowest income parts of most cities as well.  as far as the special benefits and the opportunities for college, that result in one leaving said area. and area stays devoid of investment/education and what not.  And the socio-economic cycle continues.  Rural saw it with people leaving farming first, and like you said. Now just low end manufacturing.

 

honest question. How do you think Bidens/Hockels Chips investments in manufacturing outside cities will impact this?  they say many of those jobs will pay very good. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And the picture shows it more in the flood zones of the Mississippi/Ohio river delta/ Appalachia than the south.

 

 

Doubt the reason is binary.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Roundybout]

2 hours ago, Chris farley said:

good point and exactly what happens with the lowest income parts of most cities as well.  as far as the special benefits and the opportunities for college, that result in one leaving said area. and area stays devoid of investment/education and what not.  And the socio-economic cycle continues.  Rural saw it with people leaving farming first, and like you said. Now just low end manufacturing.

 

honest question. How do you think Bidens/Hockels Chips investments in manufacturing outside cities will impact this?  they say many of those jobs will pay very good. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And the picture shows it more in the flood zones of the Mississippi/Ohio river delta/ Appalachia than the south.

 

 

Doubt the reason is binary.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The chips jobs are going to pay very well, but I’m not sure how it will work without providing specialized training. I’m certain that the people used to the industrial jobs can handle it, but it will be a big change. 

[Tommy Callahan]

3 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

The chips jobs are going to pay very well, but I’m not sure how it will work without providing specialized training. I’m certain that the people used to the industrial jobs can handle it, but it will be a big change. 

looks like the ones in NY will all be Burbs of big cities.  guessing it will be similar in other states for logistical reasons.

 

 

So, it kind of helps both. possibly.  hopefully 

 

 

 

Doubt any are going up in small town Appalachia.  or old highway town ark. though

 

 

Edited January 16, 2023 by Chris farley

[Orlando Tim]

9 hours ago, Roundybout said:

 

More fine GOP policies at work.

You realize that the lowest states are the most black states right? It sounds like you are questioning the decisions that black people make about there lives and telling them they should be more like the white people. I will be interested in how these numbers change over the next 40 years. 

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[Joe Ferguson forever]

11 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

You realize that the lowest states are the most black states right? It sounds like you are questioning the decisions that black people make about there lives and telling them they should be more like the white people. I will be interested in how these numbers change over the next 40 years. 

Nope.  this is largely myth.  Plenty of poor whites too (but blacks generally poorer).  Conversely, more wealthy whites than blacks but that's not who we're talking about.  They likely have life expectancies similar to the national average.  Lots to digest here (for Mississippi):

Edited January 17, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tommy Callahan]

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/black-population-by-state

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_poverty_rate#:~:text= State or Territory , 18.55% 49 more rows

 

Louisiana poverty issues are long standing and very complex.

 

https://smartexplora.com/7-reasons-why-louisiana-is-so-poor/

 

Income iniquality is also very high.  

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_income_inequality

Edited January 17, 2023 by Chris farley

[Joe Ferguson forever]

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/black-population-by-state  much information here but what strikes me is that most poor southern states are 20-30% black. so "questioning the decisions that black people make about there lives and telling them they should be more like the white people" would be extremely misinformed, misleading and disingenuous....

 

from wiki:  "In the framework of American federalism, states, in general, have wide latitude to enact policies within their borders, including state taxation and labor laws. Among the factors that may increase the inequality within a given state are regressive state tax policies[2] (with the role of taxation in diminishing inequality increasing since the 1980s),[3] tax incentives for large companies,[4]corruption,[5] reduced trade union membership,[6] adoption of right-to-work laws,[7] lower minimum wages,[8] poorer healthcare[9] and increased welfare spending on the poor.[7]"   Yup.  and there are some here that argue for more regressive taxation.

Edited January 17, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tommy Callahan]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/black-population-by-state  much information here but what strikes me is that most poor southern states are 20-30% black. so "questioning the decisions that black people make about there lives and telling them they should be more like the white people" would be extremely misinformed, misleading and disingenuous....

 

from wiki:  "In the framework of American federalism, states, in general, have wide latitude to enact policies within their borders, including state taxation and labor laws. Among the factors that may increase the inequality within a given state are regressive state tax policies[2] (with the role of taxation in diminishing inequality increasing since the 1980s),[3] tax incentives for large companies,[4]corruption,[5] reduced trade union membership,[6] adoption of right-to-work laws,[7] lower minimum wages,[8] poorer healthcare[9] and increased welfare spending on the poor.[7]"   Yup.  and there are some here that argue for more regressive taxation.

just pointing out its very complex and way more than demos.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 17, 2023 by Chris farley

[reddogblitz]

On 1/16/2023 at 4:48 AM, Doc said:

 

The election denier?  Good luck.

 

 

Not sure.

 

If you're a Democrat it's perfectly OK to be an election denier if Republicans win.  if Democrats win its the most secure election in the history of the world.  And, it's a good thing cuz they're right.  There are many examples of this heroic behavior.  Hillary Clinton, Stacey Abrams, Pramila Jayapal, and Jamie Raskin immediately come to mind.

 

With the exception of President Biden and LBJ, Hakeem is the type of candidate the Democrats have always won with in my lifetime.  Young, charismatic, relatively unknown so minimal baggage candidates like  Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, and Obama.  He would be a good choice for them and could very well win IMHO.  I believe that's why they put him in as Speaker of the House.  Getting him a little pub before his 2024 run.

 

As to the Is it art question, it definitely is IMHO.  You might not like it,but it certainly is art.  What about it would make you wonder if its not art?

[Albwan]

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[Joe Ferguson forever]

https://thehill.com/opinion/education/3821070-theres-a-path-away-from-toxic-polarization-shared-problem-solving/.  Well written but I call bulls!t.  I think we're past this.

[Tiberius]

 

[Tiberius]

not politival but cool