oldmanfan Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: Who are these some folks you’re referring to? Let me ask all my friends here in the left. How would you feel if the NRA showed up at polling places and handed out sandwiches and bottled water to people in line? And please be honest. As to question #1, inner city folks, especially the elderly that have trouble getting around. Folks living in rural areas. As to question # 2, if they show up without any identifying info and are there simply to give people food and water, more power to them. If they show up with their NRA hats and such and as part of their handing out food and water they try to influence people's votes, then no. If this ridiculous thing stands up after being challenged in court, I will load up my car with water and drive down to Georgia to hand out water their next election. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: As to question #1, inner city folks, especially the elderly that have trouble getting around. Folks living in rural areas. As to question # 2, if they show up without any identifying info and are there simply to give people food and water, more power to them. If they show up with their NRA hats and such and as part of their handing out food and water they try to influence people's votes, then no. If this ridiculous thing stands up after being challenged in court, I will load up my car with water and drive down to Georgia to hand out water their next election. #1. Are you saying inner city folks can't figure out how to get around town? How much does a bus ride cost in ATL? It's $2.50 for bus fare in ATL with four transfers. Seniors can be bused to the DMV to get their ID. My mom was able to get out and get her vaccine at the age of 95. #2. So you agree with the GA Voting Bill with regard to this. Ok that's cool. What makes this bill ridiculous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Just now, Chef Jim said: #1. Are you saying inner city folks can't figure out how to get around town? How much does a bus ride cost in ATL? It's $2.50 for bus fare in ATL with four transfers. Seniors can be bused to the DMV to get their ID. My mom was able to get out and get her vaccine at the age of 95. #2. So you agree with the GA Voting Bill with regard to this. Ok that's cool. What makes this bill ridiculous? Not being able to give a thirsty person a bottle of water is absurd. and yes, inner city folks especially the elderly have trouble getting around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 https://www.wsj.com/articles/jim-eagle-and-georgias-voting-law-11616799451 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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oldmanfan Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: https://www.wsj.com/articles/jim-eagle-and-georgias-voting-law-11616799451 How about the part where the state legislature can just go into a county and throw out ballots if they want? How about taking the power away from the Secretary of State to oversee elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Not being able to give a thirsty person a bottle of water is absurd. and yes, inner city folks especially the elderly have trouble getting around. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. You only know what your "handlers" have told you. From the bill.... "(a) No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition, nor shall any person, other than election officials discharging their duties, establish or set up any tables or booths on any day in which ballots are being cast (1) Within 150 feet of the outer edge of any building within which a polling place is established; (2) Within any polling place; or (3) Within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place." Aaaaaand there is this......... The bill also states that poll workers can make available "self-service water from an unattended receptacle to an elector waiting in line to vote." But nothing in the law requires poll workers to make water easily available to voters while they are waiting in line. And why, in your mind, do inner city people have trouble getting around? 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: How about the part where the state legislature can just go into a county and throw out ballots if they want? How about taking the power away from the Secretary of State to oversee elections. Link?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: You don't have a clue what you're talking about. You only know what your "handlers" have told you. From the bill.... "(a) No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition, nor shall any person, other than election officials discharging their duties, establish or set up any tables or booths on any day in which ballots are being cast (1) Within 150 feet of the outer edge of any building within which a polling place is established; (2) Within any polling place; or (3) Within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place." Aaaaaand there is this......... The bill also states that poll workers can make available "self-service water from an unattended receptacle to an elector waiting in line to vote." But nothing in the law requires poll workers to make water easily available to voters while they are waiting in line. And why, in your mind, do inner city people have trouble getting around? Link?? Ok, let's read:. Within 150 feet of the outer edge of a building. Great. That means I can come down there and give water to someone standing in line for hours waiting to cast their vote because their voting districts don't have enough polling places because they were taken away because of partisan crap. Oh, but wait, let's read some more... Within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place. Well, that changes things now, doesn't it? I can't now perform a simple humanitarian gesture and hand someone a bottle of water, unless my arms are 26 feet long. I wonder why. As for the link you asked for, read the law. The Secretary of State no longer chairs the State Election Board, he becomes an ex-officio non-voting member. And the board and thus legislature can intervene in counties they deem to be "underperforming", with the board made up of a chair appointed by the legislature, state house and senate each appointing one member, and each party appointing one member. which means in Georgia right now that would be 4 Republicans and 1 Democrat. That's really fair, wonder how long it will take for counties such as Fulton to be declared "underperforming". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Ok, let's read:. Within 150 feet of the outer edge of a building. Great. That means I can come down there and give water to someone standing in line for hours waiting to cast their vote because their voting districts don't have enough polling places because they were taken away because of partisan crap. Oh, but wait, let's read some more... Within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place. Well, that changes things now, doesn't it? I can't now perform a simple humanitarian gesture and hand someone a bottle of water, unless my arms are 26 feet long. I wonder why. As for the link you asked for, read the law. The Secretary of State no longer chairs the State Election Board, he becomes an ex-officio non-voting member. And the board and thus legislature can intervene in counties they deem to be "underperforming", with the board made up of a chair appointed by the legislature, state house and senate each appointing one member, and each party appointing one member. which means in Georgia right now that would be 4 Republicans and 1 Democrat. That's really fair, wonder how long it will take for counties such as Fulton to be declared "underperforming". Seriously. You think this rule was to prevent people from getting a drink of water? Everyone and their grandmother carries a bottle of water with them. And if that person is really that parched they can always "hey, can you hold my place in line? I need a drink." How about a bathroom? What if someone has to pee? Do you want one person making these decisions or a board to make them? So is this your gripe? There are too many Republicans in GA? The GA SOS is a Republican so I'm not understanding your problem here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Just now, Chef Jim said: Seriously. You think this rule was to prevent people from getting a drink of water? Everyone and their grandmother carries a bottle of water with them. And if that person is really that parched they can always "hey, can you hold my place in line? I need a drink." How about a bathroom? What if someone has to pee? Do you want one person making these decisions or a board to make them? So is this your gripe? There are too many Republicans in GA? The GA SOS is a Republican so I'm not understanding your problem here. Yes, I seriously think this was to keep people from standing in long lines to get a bottle of water, so that people will decide not to come vote. Most clear thinking people d the same. And if they have to pee I would hope that porta potties are made available, although I suspect that's next on the hit list. When it comes to voting regulations, this was changed because the current Georgia Secretary of State actually stood up for the law and ran a fair election. And now gets punished for it. And will get primaried and voted out quite likely, all because the previous President cannot accept he lost a free and fair election. Again I will read for you; 4 of the 5 people on the board will be Republican. what will you do when they decide a county that votes mostly Democratic they decide is "underperforming" and start invalidating legal ballots? When people have their constitutional right to vote taken away will you stand with them or against them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Yes, I seriously think this was to keep people from standing in long lines to get a bottle of water, so that people will decide not to come vote. Most clear thinking people d the same. And if they have to pee I would hope that porta potties are made available, although I suspect that's next on the hit list. When it comes to voting regulations, this was changed because the current Georgia Secretary of State actually stood up for the law and ran a fair election. And now gets punished for it. And will get primaried and voted out quite likely, all because the previous President cannot accept he lost a free and fair election. Again I will read for you; 4 of the 5 people on the board will be Republican. what will you do when they decide a county that votes mostly Democratic they decide is "underperforming" and start invalidating legal ballots? When people have their constitutional right to vote taken away will you stand with them or against them? Wow I thought I was a cynic. So you're cool with people being able to walk to a porta potty but not to a drinking fountain or drinking station that is offered at ALL polling places. Does it hurt when you tie yourself in knots like this. You said you were against people with NRA hats handing out water. Do you, for even a minute, thik that's what this part of the law was addressing? You're focusing on water. Why are you? Let's read this again shall we? No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition, nor shall any person, other than election officials discharging their duties, establish or set up any tables or booths on any day in which ballots are being cast Again you're focusing on water when that is one of many things they are not allowed to hand out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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oldmanfan Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 22 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Wow I thought I was a cynic. So you're cool with people being able to walk to a porta potty but not to a drinking fountain or drinking station that is offered at ALL polling places. Does it hurt when you tie yourself in knots like this. You said you were against people with NRA hats handing out water. Do you, for even a minute, thik that's what this part of the law was addressing? You're focusing on water. Why are you? Let's read this again shall we? No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition, nor shall any person, other than election officials discharging their duties, establish or set up any tables or booths on any day in which ballots are being cast Again you're focusing on water when that is one of many things they are not allowed to hand out. People have not been allowed to hand out campaign material at polling places for a while. And yes I’m focused on water. You know why? Because not being able to hand a thirst person a bottle of water violates everything I know about being a basic, kind human being. Not to mention it is an affront to my Christian beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 16 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: People have not been allowed to hand out campaign material at polling places for a while. And yes I’m focused on water. You know why? Because not being able to hand a thirst person a bottle of water violates everything I know about being a basic, kind human being. Not to mention it is an affront to my Christian beliefs. What part of "they will offer drinking water at polling stations" do you not understand? You lose all credibility in my mind because you're pissed they cannot directly hand people water in line. You really want to die on that hill?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: What part of "they will offer drinking water at polling stations" do you not understand? You lose all credibility in my mind because you're pissed they cannot directly hand people water in line. You really want to die on that hill?? Yes. Because helping a person who is thirsty is a decent and fundamentally human thing to do. Sorry you apparently have lost that part of your humanity, but having seen your thinking about the pandemic and that you would have preferred multimillions of people around the world to die I am not surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Yes. Because helping a person who is thirsty is a decent and fundamentally human thing to do. Sorry you apparently have lost that part of your humanity, but having seen your thinking about the pandemic and that you would have preferred multimillions of people around the world to die I am not surprised. Who is being denied water? Please explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Who is being denied water? Please explain. The person a mile away from the polling place, standing in line because there aren’t enough polling places in her district vs. others. At this point I assume you are being facetious; no one could truly be as naive as you are pretending to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: The person a mile away from the polling place, standing in line because there aren’t enough polling places in her district vs. others. At this point I assume you are being facetious; no one could truly be as naive as you are pretending to be. Bring water with you. I wait in line for three hours for concerts all the time. I don't expect anyone to bring me water. I either bring my own or have someone hold my place in line while I run across the street for a drink. Are you accusing these inner city folks of being lazy, stupid or both?? BTW I haven't voted in person in probably 10 years. You epitomize the bleeding heart liberal stereotype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 29 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Bring water with you. I wait in line for three hours for concerts all the time. I don't expect anyone to bring me water. I either bring my own or have someone hold my place in line while I run across the street for a drink. Are you accusing these inner city folks of being lazy, stupid or both?? BTW I haven't voted in person in probably 10 years. You epitomize the bleeding heart liberal stereotype. I’m independent. I have very conservative ideas about law and order and finances. I also have strong belief in Christian principles like helping your neighbor in need. By your approach on this topic and by saying you would have rather had millions more die from the pandemic than using medicine and science you’ve shown us your humanity today, or lack thereof. I’ll live by my Christian principles of how to treat my neighbor. You go ahead and live by whatever those principles are that have so little disregard for others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I’m independent. I have very conservative ideas about law and order and finances. I also have strong belief in Christian principles like helping your neighbor in need. By your approach on this topic and by saying you would have rather had millions more die from the pandemic than using medicine and science you’ve shown us your humanity today, or lack thereof. I’ll live by my Christian principles of how to treat my neighbor. You go ahead and live by whatever those principles are that have so little disregard for others. Ok you're a bleeding heart Christian. I have more faith in humanity that they can figure out a way wait in line to vote without dropping dead from thirst. So I'll ask again. Are you calling them lazy or stupid? It's one or the other to think that they can't figure out a way to stay hydrated for a few hours when water is AVAILABLE to them at the polling place. And you don't understand my thoughts regarding the pandemic. I'm saying we use a combination of science and mother nature. Had we done this and let the herd immunity take over we'd be closer to the end of this. Dragging it out as we have been by the lock downs is causing a much greater long term toll to the economy and human emotion. We are talking about a virus that has a survival rate of high 90%. If that's the science why are we prolonging the inevitable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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