Cuomo Sex Harrassment Accusations

[LikeIGiveADarn]

https://people.com/politics/andrew-cuomo-accused-of-sexual-harassment-by-former-aide/

Edited December 14, 2020 by LikeIGiveADarn

[Warcodered]

To be fair there were apparently accusations against her as well.

 

[SoTier]

I don't know anything about this case but I worked for New York State in Albany for more than a decade, and what I do know is that employment by NYS is not indentured servitude.  Any state employee, from the seasonal part-time maintenance guy at any state park to the governor, can resign any time he or she wants to do so.   They do so frequently for a myriad of reasons, from retirement to better opportunity to relocation to duress because you got caught doing something wrong.   All you do is file your paperwork and do your exit interview.   Been there, done it.

[oldmanfan]

Investigate and if he's found to have committed these acts then whatever appropriate punishment should be undertaken including his resignation.  Sexual harassment is not a political issue, or at least shouldn't be.

[shoshin]

3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Investigate and if he's found to have committed these acts then whatever appropriate punishment should be undertaken including his resignation.  Sexual harassment is not a political issue, or at least shouldn't be.

 

Yup, it's not complicated. No sacred cows when it comes to unacceptable behavior. 

[SoCal Deek]

3 hours ago, SoTier said:

I don't know anything about this case but I worked for New York State in Albany for more than a decade, and what I do know is that employment by NYS is not indentured servitude.  Any state employee, from the seasonal part-time maintenance guy at any state park to the governor, can resign any time he or she wants to do so.   They do so frequently for a myriad of reasons, from retirement to better opportunity to relocation to duress because you got caught doing something wrong.   All you do is file your paperwork and do your exit interview.   Been there, done it.

That’s right. If you don’t like being harassed by your boss just quit. That’ll solve it!

[shoshin]

15 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

That’s right. If you don’t like being harassed by your boss just quit. That’ll solve it!

 

That is part of the solution but it's not a full solution.

 

 

 

 

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, shoshin said:

 

Yup, it's not complicated. No sacred cows when it comes to unacceptable behavior. 

Except Biden and Tara Reade of course and any others who have that blue tie immunity. 
 

Don’t be a silly billy.  

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

Except Biden and Tara Reade of course and any others who have that blue tie immunity. 
 

Don’t be a silly billy.  

Some women are disposable, some men forgivable.  
 

Biden also explained that the women upset with him weren’t on his wave length.  He feels badly they thought he should not have pawed them.  

[Teddy KGB]

3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Some women are disposable, some men forgivable.  
 

Biden also explained that the women upset with him weren’t on his wave length.  He feels badly they thought he should not have pawed them.  

this place is full of trashbags.    
 

it’s so easy to see how hitler pulled it off. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

7 hours ago, Warcodered said:

To be fair there were apparently accusations against her as well.

 

My goodness that’s statement could be applied to Cuomo and his comments about members of the public 5 days out of 7.  
 

Does this strike you at all as problematic?  The woman makes a complaint about a toxic work enviornment, suddenly confidential HR information is “leaked” to the NYT from Cuomo insiders?  

5 hours ago, SoTier said:

I don't know anything about this case but I worked for New York State in Albany for more than a decade, and what I do know is that employment by NYS is not indentured servitude.  Any state employee, from the seasonal part-time maintenance guy at any state park to the governor, can resign any time he or she wants to do so.   They do so frequently for a myriad of reasons, from retirement to better opportunity to relocation to duress because you got caught doing something wrong.   All you do is file your paperwork and do your exit interview.   Been there, done it.

You can say this about virtually any employer/employee relationship in the country.  
 

Does that allow the governor carte blanche to oversee a toxic workplace?  If not, why is it a problem when it happens at Bank of America but no big deal when it’s one of the most powerful Caucasian men in the country? 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

this place is full of trashbags.    
 

it’s so easy to see how hitler pulled it off. 

Hitler? How in the heck does this have ANYTHING to do with Hitler? Face Plant!

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

Except Biden and Tara Reade of course and any others who have that blue tie immunity. 
 

Don’t be a silly billy.  

Has Trump finally given his DNA for that rape lawsuit yet just curious?

[Teddy KGB]

18 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Has Trump finally given his DNA for that rape lawsuit yet just curious?

I’m gonna act like Biden and say that’s been debunked. 

18 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Has Trump finally given his DNA for that rape lawsuit yet just curious?

 You’re not the brightest fella are ya ? 

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

I’m gonna act like Biden and say that’s been debunked. 

 You’re not the brightest fella are ya ? 

So that's a no then.

[Teddy KGB]

Just now, Warcodered said:

So that's a no then.

it’s a go eff yourself as you don’t give a ***** anyways then.  

[SoTier]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

That’s right. If you don’t like being harassed by your boss just quit. That’ll solve it!

 

Read the woman's claim in her tweet that she tried to resign three times and somehow wasn't allowed to do so:  "I tried to resign three times before it stuck".   That's bull manure.    Nobody forced her to stay in a job she wanted to leave. 

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Read the woman's claim in her tweet that she tried to resign three times and somehow wasn't allowed to do so:  "I tried to resign three times before it stuck".   That's bull manure.    Nobody forced her to stay in a job she wanted to leave. 

I’m an employer and have occasionally been brought into the middle these sort of things. Thankfully none involving me directly. They’re complicated to say the least.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

Read the woman's claim in her tweet that she tried to resign three times and somehow wasn't allowed to do so:  "I tried to resign three times before it stuck".   That's bull manure.    Nobody forced her to stay in a job she wanted to leave. 

 

The list of powerful men in NY politics abusing their power is quite lengthy.  
 

Spitzer

Schneidman

Bruno

Silver
Percoco 

Skelos

 

Your rush to tarnish the reputation of a person who may very well be a victim without giving this story time to develop is one of the reasons predators thrive and victims are reluctant to come forward. 
 

#sad
 

 

 

[SoTier]

11 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

The list of powerful men in NY politics abusing their power is quite lengthy.  
 

Spitzer

Schneidman

Bruno

Silver
Percoco 

Skelos

 

Your rush to tarnish the reputation of a person who may very well be a victim without giving this story time to develop is one of the reasons predators thrive and victims are reluctant to come forward. 
 

#sad
 

 

 

 

Again, read what I originally posted.  I said that I didn't know the merits of the case but I know that the woman's claim that she somehow couldn't quit when she wanted to was untrue.   I'm not "tarnishing" her reputation because I didn't address her reputation.  I simply called out her lie. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

30 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Again, read what I originally posted.  I said that I didn't know the merits of the case but I know that the woman's claim that she somehow couldn't quit when she wanted to was untrue.   I'm not "tarnishing" her reputation because I didn't address her reputation.  I simply called out her lie. 

Ah, sorry.  I missed the part where you said you didn’t know the merits but that what she said was a lie.  
 

 

[SoTier]

13 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Ah, sorry.  I missed the part where you said you didn’t know the merits but that what she said was a lie.  
 

 

 

No problem.   Sexual harassment is always complicated even when you are actually a witness to some/most of the interactions between the principals.   Sometimes it's a misunderstanding that deteriorates.  Sometimes it's retaliation.  Sometimes it's a genuine grievance.  Sometimes it's a something creepy like stalking.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

7 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

No problem.   Sexual harassment is always complicated even when you are actually a witness to some/most of the interactions between the principals.   Sometimes it's a misunderstanding that deteriorates.  Sometimes it's retaliation.  Sometimes it's a genuine grievance.  Sometimes it's a something creepy like stalking.

All true—but sometimes it’s just a person in a position of power victimizing another he has control over.  
 

In reading the text you referenced, you seem to see it as an indication she tried to quit and the powers that be refused to let her.  I think you’re blinded by your prior experience in the system, where you—a presumably non-victimized stakeholder correctly indicate you had the option to continue employment or not.  
 

I have no experience at the state, but I read her comments differently.  She mentions therapy as a critical part of her text.  She uses the expression “before it stuck”.  I’d think when you have a good job and are victimized, the question of terminating employment isn’t just a matter of the emotional trauma, there are hard and fast realities like mortgage payments, car payments, income and securing other employment that must be considered.  
 

In fact, one of the reasons predators get away from with this sort of thing is because the victim is locked in to the employment relationship for any number of reasons. That’s classic predatory behavior and the reason many victims continue to push forward in spite of the seemingly logical decision to “just leave”. 
 

In 2020, this woman should not be marginalized.  If there’s nothing to fear, Cuomo should answer questions and be thoroughly investigated and not hide behind his spokespeople.  The media should refrain from running stories painting her as a bad employee based on anonymous sources.  Neither will happen, because people like Cuomo are protected.  I understand your perspective but in some respects, you’re part of the problem. 

[shoshin]

58 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

In 2020, this woman should not be marginalized.  If there’s nothing to fear, Cuomo should answer questions and be thoroughly investigated and not hide behind his spokespeople.  The media should refrain from running stories painting her as a bad employee based on anonymous sources.  Neither will happen, because people like Cuomo are protected.  I understand your perspective but in some respects, you’re part of the problem. 

 

Yup. If the standard is that every accuser gets their day, let's hear from her. 

 

To the poster who said, "if you're harassed, just quit" as if that's the only response there should be for sexual harassment, I hope the women you know are more empowered than that. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

22 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Yup. If the standard is that every accuser gets their day, let's hear from her. 

 

To the poster who said, "if you're harassed, just quit" as if that's the only response there should be for sexual harassment, I hope the women you know are more empowered than that. 

The standard shifts depending on who the alleged abuser is.  That’s the problem, or at least one of many problems with this issue.   
I just wanted to point out that “she’s a liar” may not tell the whole story.  She could be, of course, it could be 100% political.  

[shoshin]

32 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

The standard shifts depending on who the alleged abuser is.  That’s the problem, or at least one of many problems with this issue.   
I just wanted to point out that “she’s a liar” may not tell the whole story.  She could be, of course, it could be 100% political.  

Plenty of Democrats have been taken out by accusations of harassment. If there’s a story here, we will know about it. 

[SoCal Deek]

41 minutes ago, shoshin said:

Plenty of Democrats have been taken out by accusations of harassment. If there’s a story here, we will know about it. 

Newsflash: There’s a story here. 

[shoshin]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Newsflash: There’s a story here. 

 

Is it a story like "the Steele Dossier is a fraud on which to overthrow a president" or a story like "the election was a fraud on which to overthrow a democratic election?" 

[SoCal Deek]

7 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Is it a story like "the Steele Dossier is a fraud on which to overthrow a president" or a story like "the election was a fraud on which to overthrow a democratic election?" 

Are you going to be the one who tells us? 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

46 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Is it a story like "the Steele Dossier is a fraud on which to overthrow a president" or a story like "the election was a fraud on which to overthrow a democratic election?" 

Both stories received widespread and breathless coverage at times, and of course the msm seemed to miss most of the key elements of Steele for 4 years despite highly placed and anonymous sources.  
 

Today’s Albany Times Union covered the Govs denial of sexual harassment——said gov a potential candidate for Attorney General—on page 2, down near the bottom next to the ad for a 3/36 lease on a dodge caravan.  

I’d suggest it would be a vast improvement to even see a commitment of 5%of the coverage that Steele received.  
 

Or, they can continue to send the message to victims that it’s best to sit the &$@& down and shut the $&@& up. 

[shoshin]

8 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Both stories received widespread and breathless coverage at times, and of course the msm seemed to miss most of the key elements of Steele for 4 years despite highly placed and anonymous sources.  
 

Today’s Albany Times Union covered the Govs denial of sexual harassment——said gov a potential candidate for Attorney General—on page 2, down near the bottom next to the ad for a 3/36 lease on a dodge caravan.  

I’d suggest it would be a vast improvement to even see a commitment of 5%of the coverage that Steele received.  
 

Or, they can continue to send the message to victims that it’s best to sit the &$@& down and shut the $&@& up. 

 

Don't you think that a reporter would love to break this story open if there's a good story to be had? If there's a story--a legitimate one--it will come out. 

 

Based on little other than what I've seen, Cuomo is not a guy without plenty of enemies who would love this story to take him down if it's got legs. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

12 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Don't you think that a reporter would love to break this story open if there's a good story to be had? If there's a story--a legitimate one--it will come out. 

 

Based on little other than what I've seen, Cuomo is not a guy without plenty of enemies who would love this story to take him down if it's got legs. 

No, I don’t think a reporter would necessarily want to break this story.  Timing is everything, and positioning important to people in that field. 
 

I mentioned a while back that I heard a local reporter (Times Union, again as I recall) talking on a local radio show.  It was after Scheidernan resigned in disgrace.  The reporter shared how it was common knowledge in circle that the former AG had serious cocaine problem.  To me, just an average citizen, that’s a huge story for a number of reasons.  
 

I think some reporters would love to break the story, others would use it for leverage, others still to pursue a political agenda one way or the other.  
 

 

[Plano]

22 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Hitler? How in the heck does this have ANYTHING to do with Hitler? Face Plant!

I think you mean Face Palm, boomer. 

[snafu]

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Both stories received widespread and breathless coverage at times, and of course the msm seemed to miss most of the key elements of Steele for 4 years despite highly placed and anonymous sources.  
 

Today’s Albany Times Union covered the Govs denial of sexual harassment——said gov a potential candidate for Attorney General—on page 2, down near the bottom next to the ad for a 3/36 lease on a dodge caravan.  

I’d suggest it would be a vast improvement to even see a commitment of 5%of the coverage that Steele received.  
 

Or, they can continue to send the message to victims that it’s best to sit the &$@& down and shut the $&@& up. 

 

The AG story is the real story here.

The accuser may absolutely be telling the truth, but the timing of when the story came out seems like someone is using it to derail the AG appointment.

 

 

 

Edited December 15, 2020 by snafu

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

7 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

The AG story is the real story here.

The accuser may absolutely be telling the truth, but the timing of when the story came out sees like someone is using it to derail the AG appointment.

 

I see that potential, but burying the story based on anonymous sources and selective leaks doesn’t seem like a good resolution at all.  In fact, it’s exactly how the powerful would bury a story.    
 

 

 

[snafu]

4 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I see that potential, but burying the story based on anonymous sources and selective leaks doesn’t seem like a good resolution at all.  In fact, it’s exactly how the powerful would bury a story.    
 

 

 

 

I guess it is up to the accuser to do more than tweet about it.

That's not going to overcome the denial and story burial. The reaction of the Governor's office (including leaks) is probably textbook.

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

I guess it is up to the accuser to do more than tweet about it.

That's not going to overcome the denial and story burial. The reaction of the Governor's office (including leaks) is probably textbook.

 

 

Agreed. Textbook.  

[Big Gun]

21 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

The list of powerful men in NY politics abusing their power is quite lengthy.  
 

Spitzer

Schneidman

Bruno

Silver
Percoco 

Skelos

 

Your rush to tarnish the reputation of a person who may very well be a victim without giving this story time to develop is one of the reasons predators thrive and victims are reluctant to come forward. 
 

#sad
 

 

 

Also a reason why liberals are a pathetic hypocritical bunch as they do all the time bully and blame the victim.  

Edited December 15, 2020 by Big Gun

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

9 minutes ago, Big Gun said:

Also a reason why liberals are a pathetic hypocritical bunch as they do all the time bully and blame the victim.  

I think the point is that power corrupts, and powerful people crush the powerless.  That’s just people.  
 

In this case, it may well be that So decided to label the victim as a liar without thinking it all the way through.  

 

 

[JaCrispy]

#metoo

 

#believewomen

 

😉😂🤣 I kid, I kid