Cinga Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Oh please, but he was a Fortunate Son, right? $450 million, ya? Was he a f***ing Senator whose son got rich off his Dad's influence? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: But you called it theft, implying the music was used illegally. That's simply not the case. I understand the argument about an artist preferring their music not be used to support a political campaign, but they actively engage in the licensing because it makes them money. There's no need to pretend it's something that it isn't. Truth be told we don’t know whether the Trump campaign has paid its ASCAP/BMI fees. It probably has. But given the cash crunch it’s possible that was thrown overboard with the TV buys. Who knows. Bottom line: utterly ironic choice of song here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Cinga said: Was he a f***ing Senator whose son got rich off his Dad's influence? Splitting hairs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Cinga said: Was he a f***ing Senator whose son got rich off his Dad's influence? I think the point of the song was that poor kids went to Vietnam and died, but the rich, privileged kids generally stayed home. I wouldn’t take the lyrics too literally. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: I think the point of the song was that poor kids went to Vietnam and died, but the rich, privileged kids generally stayed home. I wouldn’t take the lyrics too literally. And, Biden's son served. A sucker, I guess 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: Truth be told we don’t know whether the Trump campaign has paid its ASCAP/BMI fees. It probably has. But given the cash crunch it’s possible that was thrown overboard with the TV buys. Who knows. Bottom line: utterly ironic choice of song here. We also don't know that there isn't an artist somewhere who is about to claim credit for writing the song that John Fogarty claims to have written. Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: We also don't know that there isn't an artist somewhere who is about to claim credit for writing the song that John Fogarty claims to have written. Who knows? Plot thickens, big boy: https://deadline.com/2020/06/donald-trump-campaign-rolling-stones-songs-ascap-1202973371/ Looks like there is a little glimmer of possibility to the ASCAP/BMI issue. Not saying that Trump is in the wrong here, but it’s reasonable to ask about the Fortunate Son use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Plot thickens, big boy: https://deadline.com/2020/06/donald-trump-campaign-rolling-stones-songs-ascap-1202973371/ Looks like there is a little glimmer of possibility to the ASCAP/BMI issue. Not saying that Trump is in the wrong here, but it’s reasonable to ask about the Fortunate Son use. Define “glimmer” based on this article?l. Where is the criminality as it relates to “theft”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Oh please, but he was a Fortunate Son, right? $450 million, ya? Edited September 11, 2020 by Reality Check Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Reality Check said: The original and the best video ^^^ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 26 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Define “glimmer” based on this article?l. Where is the criminality as it relates to “theft”? Who said anything about criminality? Only you. Unauthorized use is equivalent to theft. And, based on the article, it looks like some licenses might not permit use in political contexts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: Who said anything about criminality? Only you. Unauthorized use is equivalent to theft. And, based on the article, it looks like some licenses might not permit use in political contexts. @SlimShady'sSpaceForce mentioned theft, I replied to him originally. It's not on me if you can't follow the topic. What was the "glimmer"---just to be clear, you used that word in a prior post---you referenced when linking to the article? I read it in its entirety, then read it again, and was the "glimmer" that some licenses might not permit use in political context? You never said. The article seems to be much more a "gotcha!' then anything of substance regarding DJT. The story goes a bunch of aging and/or dead entertainers don't want their work used by a political candidate? Has DJT and/or his campaign said "Screw that, we'll just use 'Won't back down" anyway? Your link is much ado about nothing. Though, personally, I do like to hear the thoughts of entertainers on issues like this when they share them, it helps me frame how/where I spend my money in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Niagara said: I would have thought they were future channeling the story of rat Hunter Biden ..he'd bet you a million yuan you're wrong.................... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 Both of Biden’s sons were in the military services one was tossed out for snorting coke. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Nope, I don't think so. Speaking generally, the music can be used through licensing agreements that the artist agrees to. What we often see is the artist who entered into said agreement raising an objection because they do not support the candidate. There is no theft involved. https://ew.com/music/2018/11/05/can-musicians-stop-politicians-from-using-music/ .correct...ASCAP and BMI are the musicians' licensing protectors if memory serves me..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 20 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Both of Biden’s sons were in the military services one was tossed out for snorting coke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 7 hours ago, SectionC3 said: Plot thickens, big boy: https://deadline.com/2020/06/donald-trump-campaign-rolling-stones-songs-ascap-1202973371/ Looks like there is a little glimmer of possibility to the ASCAP/BMI issue. Not saying that Trump is in the wrong here, but it’s reasonable to ask about the Fortunate Son use. If I was Trump I'd say fug 'em and play Frank's version instead. Quote Numerous other acts have publicly objected to the use of their songs at Trump’s campaign rallies over the last four years, including ... Panic! at the Disco’s Brendon Urie, whose “High Hopes” played at Trump’s Phoenix event this week; 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Well... Lumpy has permission from Laura Branigan's drummer to use the late singers hit "Gloria"... https://www.nydailynews.com/snyde/ny-trump-campaign-laura-branigan-20200911-7z6vesfymbe53fawkt4pteyekq-story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 18 hours ago, Cinga said: Was he a f***ing Senator whose son got rich off his Dad's influence? No, Covid Donnie was a millionaire's son who was born rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Talking about sons found this pretty cool Jimmy Carter reveals Willie Nelson's White House pot-smoking pal: 'One of my sons' The former president is the subject of the new documentary, “Jimmy Carter: Rock & Roll President." Jimmy Carter has set the record straight about who joined Willie Nelson in smoking pot on the roof of the White House during Carter's presidency. It wasn't a White House staffer member, it was one of Carter's sons. https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/jimmy-carter-reveals-willie-nelsons-white-house-pot-smoking-pal-one-of-my-sons 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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