51st State? DC Statehood Is Happening!

[Cinga]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Just Maryland. VA reneged long ago. I guess maybe VA would reclaim half of the Potomac? 

~706k. Just use the right number. No need to exaggerate.

 

New find on this... Article 4

Section 3

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1: New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

 

Since no state can be formed within the jurisdiction of another state without the consent of the legislature of that state, I could argue that DC is in fact within ALL THE STATES by this very Constitution, so would require now, a Constitutional Amendment, AND an affirmative vote of at least 26 states.

5 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Looks like the VA portion of DC was returned to Virginia in the mid-1800's. Of course, I think that there is an legitimate argument to be had that if the Federal District were to be shrunk to just the main governmental areas, the rest of the city would automatically revert to Maryland's control, which would require their legislature to approve partitioning part of their state into a new state.

 

Oh, and 705,000 is totally the same thing as over 1 million.

 

 

 

Oh, he has his reason.... takes 711,000 to make up a new congressional seat... 

[Tiberius]

41 minutes ago, Cinga said:

 

New find on this... Article 4

Section 3

 

Since no state can be formed within the jurisdiction of another state without the consent of the legislature of that state, I could argue that DC is in fact within ALL THE STATES by this very Constitution, so would require now, a Constitutional Amendment, AND an affirmative vote of at least 26 states.

 

Oh, he has his reason.... takes 711,000 to make up a new congressional seat... 

Argue all you want. It's still going to happen 

[bdutton]

On 6/27/2020 at 8:39 AM, Tiberius said:

Yes!! This looks like an easy one. If Democrats win the Senate and WH all they have to do is pass a law, blow up the stupid Filibuster and Biden signs it into law, two more Democratic Senators! Boom! 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-approves-dc-at-51st-state-gop-calls-move-dem-power-grab

 

 

 

Article 1, Section 8,

 

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And

 

Only a Constitutional amendment can change the designation of the District of Columbia in order to be eligible to be a state.

 

ETA... and before being allowed to become a state, the land would have to be returned to the original state(s) of Maryland and Virginia.

Edited June 29, 2020 by bdutton

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, bdutton said:

Article 1, Section 8,

 

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And

 

Only a Constitutional amendment can change the designation of the District of Columbia in order to be eligible to be a state.

 

ETA... and before being allowed to become a state, the land would have to be returned to the original state(s) of Maryland and Virginia.

Nope, "Not exceeding ten miles" so we make the district a block. Done. It doesn't say how small 

 

Can't wait for a new senate next year! Biden's present to the nation! A new state! YES! 

[3rdnlng]

27 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Nope, "Not exceeding ten miles" so we make the district a block. Done. It doesn't say how small 

 

Can't wait for a new senate next year! Biden's present to the nation! A new state! YES! 

Biden's new state of Dementia, eh?

[Cinga]

2 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

I’ve been doing a fair bit of reading about various secession movements in California.  The most plausible scenario is that California would become three states, one of which would be conservative leaning.

 

As an aside, all this talk of stacking the Senate, the Electoral College by adding new states in order to harness majorities to dictate policy tracks me back, once again, to the national politics leading into the Civil War, and gives me one more reason to think we’re headed there again.

And oh, let me add that I suspect the tipping point to the war is going to be that the next time Dems control the POTUS, and both houses of Congress, I totally expect them to try and declare the Constitution null and void by a mere majority vote. Seeing the argument in this thread just adds to that expectation.

[TakeYouToTasker]

13 minutes ago, Cinga said:

And oh, let me add that I suspect the tipping point to the war is going to be that the next time Dems control the POTUS, and both houses of Congress, I totally expect them to try and declare the Constitution null and void by a mere majority vote. Seeing the argument in this thread just adds to that expectation.

I think the only way to avoid this is to have California secede before these particular stars align.

[B-Man]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Argue all you want. It's still going to happen 

 

 

Tibsy response when he realizes the states won't vote to pass any amendment to have DC as a state.

                   

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

He knows! 

 

For his part, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is saying that a Democratic victory could turn the legislative body he loves so dearly into an abattoir where liberty is hacked to pieces. Here’s the warning he issued on Thursday, referring to “51 for 51,” the argument that Democrats should get rid of the legislative filibuster so bills can be passed on a majority vote, and then make D.C. a state:

A coalition of left-wing special interests are explicitly campaigning for, quote, 51 for 51. They want senators to vandalize the rules to pass legislation with a simple majority and then use that ill-gotten power to cement a presumed advantage by awarding the District of Columbia two Senate seats. They want to nuke the Senate to pack the Senate. This, Mr. President, is naked politics.

Politics? Well I never!

 

Merick Garland waves "Hi" 

[SoCal Deek]

8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

He knows! 

 

For his part, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is saying that a Democratic victory could turn the legislative body he loves so dearly into an abattoir where liberty is hacked to pieces. Here’s the warning he issued on Thursday, referring to “51 for 51,” the argument that Democrats should get rid of the legislative filibuster so bills can be passed on a majority vote, and then make D.C. a state:

A coalition of left-wing special interests are explicitly campaigning for, quote, 51 for 51. They want senators to vandalize the rules to pass legislation with a simple majority and then use that ill-gotten power to cement a presumed advantage by awarding the District of Columbia two Senate seats. They want to nuke the Senate to pack the Senate. This, Mr. President, is naked politics.

Politics? Well I never!

 

Merick Garland waves "Hi" 

Tibs, you’re quick to cite the Garland example but you conveniently forgot the history of Obamacare. The Democrats did the same thing to get it passed, but I don’t hear you squealing. 

[Tiberius]

10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Tibs, you’re quick to cite the Garland example but you conveniently forgot the history of Obamacare. The Democrats did the same thing to get it passed, but I don’t hear you squealing. 

Passing a law?? How dare they! 

 

 

[Tiberius]

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D.C. statehood advocates, including Mayor Muriel E. Bowser (D), will make the case for becoming the 51st state at a critical House hearing on Monday, as Democrats pledge to bring the statehood bill to the House floor for a vote before summer.

With 51-star flags lining Pennsylvania Avenue and pro-statehood signs lining yards across the city, the hearing before the House Oversight and Reform Committee will explore the constitutional, moral and political arguments both for and against statehood.

Democrats are looking to seize on their control of both chambers of Congress and the White House to push statehood further than it has gone before, framing it as a central part of their voting rights platform.

More than 700,000 people live in the District — a population greater than Wyoming and Vermont. But they do not have a vote in Congress.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/bowser-advocates-make-the-case-for-dc-statehood-at-house-committee-hearing/2021/03/22/bc093652-89e5-11eb-bfdf-4d36dab83a6d_story.html

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 6/27/2020 at 9:04 AM, Chef Jim said:

Why not just incorporate it into Maryland?

NFW!!!
 

Signed, 

 

a resident of Maryland. 

[BillStime]

 

Idiots. How can anyone support these nut jobs?

[buffaloaggie]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/21/opinion/constitution-says-no-dc-statehood/

[B-Man]

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2021/04/22/the-democrats-51st-statehood-bill-is-more-than-a-power-grab-it-stealthily-cancels-a-major-historical-figure-n1441979

 

 

The Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives have voted in lockstep to make Washington, D.C., the 51st state.

 

The bill is blatantly unconstitutional and stands very little if any chance of passing the Senate. The Democrats want the 51st state, sure enough, for the power it would grant them forever but they also want its failure to become yet another means of racially dividing the country. It’s more performance art in lieu of governance. As the Democrats prove themselves incapable of the former at every level from the border to New York and everywhere across the continent, the performance art takes center stage. It’s all that bankrupt extremist party has.

 

The District of Columbia was never intended to have senators because it isn’t supposed to be a state. That’s in the Constitution, which Reich surely knows but fails to inform his followers.

 

HR 51 is a stealthy piece of work. Here’s the text from the very top of the bill:

 

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This bill admits certain portions of Washington, DC as the 51st state. The bill defines state as the State of Washington, Douglass Commonwealth.

 

In addition to creating a 51st state precisely where the Constitution says there can’t be one, it changes the name from Washington, District of Columbia to State of Washington, Douglass Commonwealth.

 

 

See what they did there?

 

The Democratic Party voted to cancel the reference to Christopher Columbus in the name of the new state it’s trying to create, where the Constitution says they can’t create one.

 

For some reason, the Democrats aren’t crowing about canceling Columbus. They probably hoped it would go unnoticed.

 

“Douglass” is a reference to 19th-century anti-slave champion Frederick Douglass. The escaped slave and black Republican certainly deserves great honor. He brought courage and Christian moral fire to the abolitionist cause, the cause on which the Republican Party was founded.

 

Democrats might cancel him once they learn what he said about the Constitution and the American founders they denounce as racist.

Click on that link and look up the fifth mention of the word “glorious.”

 

https://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/what-to-the-slave-is-the-fourth-of-july/

[BillStime]

 

[BillStime]

When Adding New States Helped the Republicans

 

In 1889 and 1890, Congress added North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Washington, Idaho, and Wyoming—the largest admission of states since the original 13. This addition of 12 new senators and 18 new electors to the Electoral College was a deliberate strategy of late-19th-century Republicans to stay in power after their swing toward Big Business cost them a popular majority. The strategy paid dividends deep into the future; indeed, the admission of so many rural states back then helps to explain GOP control of the Senate today, 130 years later.

 

...

 

“The difference between the parties is as the difference between the light and darkness, day and night,” one supporter argued in Frank Leslie’s. The Republican Party, he insisted, must stay in power to protect Big Business. If that meant shutting more populous territories out of statehood and admitting a few underpopulated western states to enable a minority to exercise political control over the majority of Americans, so be it. Today, the District of Columbia has more residents than at least two other states; Puerto Rico has more than 20. With numbers like that, admitting either or both to the union is less a political power play on the Democrats’ part than the late-19th-century partisan move that still warps American politics.

[B-Man]

 

 

THE D.C. STATEHOOD GAMBIT

 

Democrats seem intent on using the events of January 6 as a sort of Reichstag fire on which they can predicate a one-party state. They have H.R. 1. to federalize election law and facilitate fraudulent voting. They seek to pack the Supreme Court. And they propose turning the District of Columbia into a state.

 

The D.C. statehood gambit has been around for a long time, but it answers to the moment. It gives proponents yet another opportunity to impute racism to those who think it’s not a good idea.

 

Is this really the way to win friends and influence people? Someone might get the idea that these people are not to be trusted with unlimited power.

 

There is no good argument in favor of D.C. statehood. Not one, unless the accession of two more Democratic Senators to the Senate in perpetuity rings your chimes.

It’s a bad idea all the way around. Like so many items of Democrat orthodoxy, however, effectively exploits the ignorance of its intended audience.

 

In addition to its other defects, D.C. statehood would be unconstitutional. The Wall Street Journal editorial on the subject discusses its other defects and notes, for example:

 

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[T]he creation of an independent state to supplant the District, as the current House legislation proposes, is certainly unconstitutional. The Founders deliberately created a federal district under the control of Congress because it didn’t want the federal government to be subject to the sway of any one state. Statehood imposed by statute would strip Congress of one of its enumerated powers—effectively amending the Constitution without an amendment process.

 

 

Attorney Hewitt Pate thoroughly explored the constitutional issue in “D.C. Statehood: Not Without a Constitutional Amendment” in 1993.

I recommend Pate’s footnoted remarks to anyone interested in the subject.

https://www.heritage.org/political-process/report/dc-statehood-not-without-constitutional-amendment

As I say, the idea has been around for a long time. It had already been around for a long time when Pate wrote his remarks.

 

The Dems’ court-packing plan may represent the ultimate solution to the constitutional problem. They give no evidence of any awareness of the issue or concern about legality. It’s just the way they roll, as with the imputation of racism to their opponents.

 

More at: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/04/the-d-c-statehood-gambit.php

 

 

 

[SCBills]

DC Statehood is not going to pass the Senate, but let’s just say it did... maybe then it would force the GOP in Georgia and Arizona to stop running awful candidates.   
 

Also, Joe Manchin will eventually retire. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

10 minutes ago, SCBills said:

DC Statehood is not going to pass the Senate, but let’s just say it did... maybe then it would force the GOP in Georgia and Arizona to stop running awful candidates.   
 

Also, Joe Manchin will eventually retire. 

nobody has figured out how to stop running awful candidates. Almost seems like a prerequisite. 

[B-Man]

 

 

AND, the GOP didn't tweet against this once in 1889............😆

[Backintheday544]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

AND, the GOP didn't tweet against this once in 1889............😆

And what arguments do the right lean on for no gun control? A common written 200 years ago?

[B-Man]

9 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

And what arguments do the right lean on for no gun control? A common written 200 years ago?

 

You are referring to the Constitution of the United States of America,

 

 

what an odd juxtaposition with giving 'statehood' to a city.

[Backintheday544]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

You are referring to the Constitution of the United States of America,

 

 

what an odd juxtaposition with giving 'statehood' to a city.

Are you saying the constitution doesn’t control statehood?

[B-Man]

 

 

EVERYTHING THEY DO HAS ONLY ONE AIM: POWER:  

 

Democrats’ D.C. Statehood Push Has Nothing to Do With Representation.

 

 

https://spectator.org/dc-statehood-democrats/

[B-Man]

 

 

Manchin opposes D.C. statehood, dealing a blow to Democratic priority

NBC News, by Sahil Kapur & Dartunorro Clark

 

Sen. Joe Manchin, the moderate Democrat from West Virginia, said in an interview Friday that he opposes legislation to give Washington, D.C., statehood — effectively killing a Democratic-led effort to reshape the American political map. "If Congress wants to make D.C. a state, it should propose a constitutional amendment and let the people of America vote," Manchin told WV MetroNews Talkline, a West Virginia news outlet. Asked directly if he would oppose unilateral action by Congress to make the district a state, Manchin replied, "Yes, I would." Stasha Rhodes, the campaign director for the pro-D.C.-statehood group 51 for 51, said in response

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/manchin-opposes-dc-statehood-dealing-a-blow-to-democratic-priority/ar-BB1gePep

[Doc]

Time to change the title of this thread.  It was never happening, but now you libs know for sure.

[B-Man]

 

 

No statehood for you.

 

 

Democrat Congresswoman Calls For ‘Gender Equality’ In Crash Test Dummies

 

Democratic Washington, D.C., Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton introduced a bill Tuesday that would require car crash test dummies to use both male and female models.

 

“Women have achieved equality on the road when it comes to driving, but when it comes to safety testing to keep them safe on the road, they are nowhere near achieving equality,” Norton said in a statement. “Crash test standards are incredibly antiquated, and we must update these standards now, especially as more people return to their daily commute in the next few months.”

 

Norton, who chairs the Subcommittee on Highways and Transit, noted the federal government uses crash test dummies based on male bodies and car companies are not required to use female models.

 

“More important than differences in average height between males and females, there are also biological differences in anatomy, such as average neck strength and posture, that affect how female and male bodies react in a crash,” Norton’s office said in a statement.

 

https://dailycaller.com/2021/06/01/eleanor-holmes-norton-legislation-gender-equality-car-crash-dummies/

[B-Man]

On 5/1/2021 at 11:34 AM, Doc said:

Time to change the title of this thread.  It was never happening, but now you libs know for sure.

 

 

 

Supreme Court rejects appeal by D.C. residents for more representation in Congress in blow to statehood push

 

 

The high court also rejected an appeal by Washington, DC residents from Washington, DC residents concerning their lack of voting rights. The decision affirmed a lower court ruling that DC residents are not entitled to congressional representation. 

 

The justices, in an unsigned order, pointed to a case from 2000 where justices issued the same response. The US District Court for DC also ruled against plaintiffs seeking representation because they do not live in a 'state.' 

 

Two of the court's conservative justices, Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch, indicated they would have dismissed the appeal because they believed the court lacked jurisdiction in the dispute. 

 

DC has one congressional delegate, Eleanor Holmes Norton, D, who does not vote. DC statehood has been passed in the House, but has failed to gain traction in the Senate. Granting the district statehood would likely boost Democrats' majorities in the House and Senate due to the city's liberal leanings.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10058811/Supreme-Court-rejects-appeal-D-C-residents-representation-Congress.html

[Doc]

Good.

[T master]

On 6/27/2020 at 5:39 AM, Tiberius said:

Yes!! This looks like an easy one. If Democrats win the Senate and WH all they have to do is pass a law, blow up the stupid Filibuster and Biden signs it into law, two more Democratic Senators! Boom! 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-approves-dc-at-51st-state-gop-calls-move-dem-power-grab

 

 

 

 

Yep that seems to be the thing to do just blow it all up so you can do a end around with total disregard for any thing the fore fathers put in place or any safety valves put in place to make it so you can't just do what ever the hell any "Joe Blow" wants to do when ever they want to . 

 

BRILLIANT !! 

[unbillievable]

The easy solution would be to declare all residents of DC as citizens of Virginia. Like living on a military base in a foreign country.

 

 

[Wacka]

If I remember correctly,  according to the Constitution, the capital of the US cannot be in any state. That is why the DC was created,.

[OrangeBills]

Yeah, but what does the Constitution mean anymore, if it stands in the way of anything the Means To An End Party wants to get done "for the people"

[Tiberius]

11 hours ago, T master said:

 

Yep that seems to be the thing to do just blow it all up so you can do a end around with total disregard for any thing the fore fathers put in place or any safety valves put in place to make it so you can't just do what ever the hell any "Joe Blow" wants to do when ever they want to . 

 

BRILLIANT !! 

Make the country more democratic. That's a good thing. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

32 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Make the country more democratic. That's a good thing. 

The District of Columbia is a district.  By definition it is not a State.  It is the seat of the Federal government.  While it has a local government structure it was established in this form consistent with the concept and understanding of the need for political considerations.  It was set up as such for that specific reason and to provide certain limitations and powers.  These reasons still exist.  Everyone that lives in the district or moves there knows this.  To the best of my knowledge being a resident of the District of Columbia is completely voluntary.  If anyone feels so strongly about needing Congressional representation they can move to Virginia or Maryland or one of the other 48 State jurisdictions of the Republic and vote for the Senate or House candidate of their choice.   

Edited October 6, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The District of Columbia is a district.  By definition it is not a State.  It is the seat of the Federal government.  While it has a local government structure it was established in this form consistent with the concept and understanding of the need for political considerations.  It was set up as such for that specific reason and to provide certain limitations and powers.  These reasons still exist.  Everyone that lives in the district or moves there knows this.  To the best of my knowledge being a resident of the District of Columbia is completely voluntary.  If anyone feels so strongly about needing Congressional representation they can move to Virginia or Maryland or one of the other 48 State jurisdictions of the Republic and vote for the Senate or House candidate of their choice.   

No, it can be made a state 

[All_Pro_Bills]

15 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No, it can be made a state 

Maybe if they spent less time thinking up ways to "game" the political system and more time in actual governance our country would be in better shape?  Other than the Bills 3-1 start, everywhere you look is a raging dumpster fire..

Edited October 6, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Maybe if they spent less time thinking up ways to "game" the political system and more time in actual governance our country would be in better shape?  Other than the Bills 3-1 start, everywhere you look is a raging dumpster fire..

Like Mitch and the Supreme Court? Ya, ok. You guys and your "Do as are ignorance says, not as our selfish bigoted asses do" attitude doesn't help