TwistofFate Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 Safety play... /end The ground that our safeties can cover and the understanding of what they need to do, allows us to disguise the majority of our coverages where a quarterback must decipher what we're actually doing post-snap. I've watched Bill Belichick go into deep detail of how difficult it is to attack our defense and it all revolves around our safeties. I know Belichick is in love with Micah Hyde. It's no surprise the safety they took in their draft from a small school was heavily scouted by Buffalo and rumored to be our pick if he was on the board. Belichick knows great defenses revolve around great safeties that's why he's always had them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 "palm coverage"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Frasier is a huge part of what we do no doubt He started a little slow but his playcalling is very very good and he knows situational football and what McDermott wants out of his defense. I think he needed that wake up call 2 years ago Though I doubt he's the one that implemented palms coverage or the Dual a gap looks. He is more of a teacher and developer than white board play designer Ok, kind of what I suspected. Frazier buys into what McD is doing and is coming up to speed on it, which probably means the defense isn't yet as good as it can be. I do think that Frazier is reluctant to blitz and stunt, where McD would do more of this as evidenced by the Charger game in 2017 where McD took over the defensive play calling. I get that this defense is more secondary-centric, though an active front that puts pressure on the opposing QB will go a long way to helping the secondary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 1 minute ago, TwistofFate said: Safety play... /end The ground that our safeties can cover and the understanding of what they need to do, allows us to disguise the majority of our coverages where a quarterback must decipher what we're actually doing post-snap. I've watched Bill Belichick go into deep detail of how difficult it is to attack our defense and it all revolves around our safeties. I know Belichick is in love with Micah Hyde. It's no surprise the safety they took in their draft from a small school was heavily scouted by Buffalo and rumored to be our pick if he was on the board. Belichick knows great defenses revolve around great safeties that's why he's always had them. That may be true for Belichick but McDermott can do w/out great safeties, he just happens to have them now He designed top NFL defenses w JAGS in Carolina, but he had Norman and Kuechly/Davis McDermott knows defense like few do 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I expect to see a lot more hurry up against the defense this season The only time they can get exposed is when they can't see/communicate checks at LOS because the offense is already moving into position Wouldn't teams feint or try to confuse the Corner into committing the wrong way? If they do try to do that is it because of the speed and closing ability of White to correct himself that negates the tactic? Whatever the answer I just want to thank you guys for a great thread. This is the stuff that got me coming to these boards originally! Well done and I wish you guys would do more of this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: "palm coverage"? Palms basically quarters Just now, ColoradoBills said: Wouldn't teams feint or try to confuse the Corner into committing the wrong way? If they do try to do that is it because of the speed and closing ability of White to correct himself that negates the tactic? Whatever the answer I just want to thank you guys for a great thread. This is the stuff that got me coming to these boards originally! Well done and I wish you guys would do more of this. It has a lot to do with the look the offense comes out in dictating the coverage, and how that can get mistimed or miscommunicated when presnap gets compressed For example if they bring Poyer down he knows his read is vertical and the DB takes outside flat, but if the ball is snapped while he's still moving toward LOS he can be unbalanced and either gets beat vertical or isn't in position to cover double move for DB on the switch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Palms basically quarters psalms? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Palms basically quarters Palms coverage is a name given to a modified quarters coverage which can turn into man coverage depending on the offenseive looks McDermott really favored this style of coverage last year 9 minutes ago, Happy said: Ok, kind of what I suspected. Frazier buys into what McD is doing and is coming up to speed on it, which probably means the defense isn't yet as good as it can be. I do think that Frazier is reluctant to blitz and stunt, where McD would do more of this as evidenced by the Charger game in 2017 where McD took over the defensive play calling. I get that this defense is more secondary-centric, though an active front that puts pressure on the opposing QB will go a long way to helping the secondary. McDermott comes from the football school of timing is everything. He's not opposed to overload blitzing and stunting defensive lineman But you're also not going to see a lot of that on first and second Downs . On run downs he's focused about Gap integrity and maintaining it. Stunting d-lineman causes the opposite of that So he's a lot more situational with regards to that kind of stuff 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Palms basically quarters It has a lot to do with the look the offense comes out in dictating the coverage, and how that can get mistimed or miscommunicated when presnap gets compressed For example if they bring Poyer down he knows his read is vertical and the DB takes outside flat, but if the ball is snapped while he's still moving toward LOS he can be unbalanced and either gets beat vertical or isn't in position to cover double move for DB on the switch Those are all good questions and as a former corner and defensive backs coach I can tell you that's why you need smart football players Leodis mckelvin , great cover corner, not a fit for a palms system Ideally in zone coverage your first steps are always backwards. In quarters you're trying to get depth.. so tre is naturally playing his quarters and getting depth while peaking on the slot corner to see if he runs an out breaking route. And you're right a great play call can confuse palms coverage.. but football is a chess match and they need to have that perfect call at the right time Sorry gobills meant to quote Colorado @ColoradoBills Edited May 10, 2020 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Great thread @Buffalo716 as it explains McDermott's defense and his tendencies that most of us don't get to see. I was curious as to the Frazier and McDermott relationship, though I think I see how they work together. I suspect that Frazier might be the perfect DC for McD since he knows situational football and buys into the plan, yet doesn't have a set preference like a Jim Schwartz or Rex (for example) would. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Those are all good questions and as a former corner and defensive backs coach I can tell you that's why you need smart football players Leodis mckelvin , great cover corner, not a fit for a palms system Ideally in zone coverage your first steps are always backwards. In quarters you're trying to get depth.. so tre is naturally playing his quarters and getting depth while peaking on the slot corner to see if he runs an out breaking route. And you're right a great play call can confuse palms coverage.. but football is a chess match and they need to have that perfect call at the right time I was going to post a clip of the GIants game 3rd and 9 in the late second quarter as example...we are in nickel and bring Hyde down to LOS and Manning recognizes it and calls for snap (vet move), you see Hyde having to bail backwards because wideout gets behind White who played man until the sticks and then sinks into zone Hyde breaks up the pass with a great hit and sometimes it just comes down to who has the more talented players, and the defensive side there's no doubt we have a ton...you add the scheme to it and they are always hard to beat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Those are all good questions and as a former corner and defensive backs coach I can tell you that's why you need smart football players Leodis mckelvin , great cover corner, not a fit for a palms system Ideally in zone coverage your first steps are always backwards. In quarters you're trying to get depth.. so tre is naturally playing his quarters and getting depth while peaking on the slot corner to see if he runs an out breaking route. And you're right a great play call can confuse palms coverage.. but football is a chess match and they need to have that perfect call at the right time Sorry gobills meant to quote Colorado @ColoradoBills Thanks, and I think I understand better on a lot of plays (especially on replay) where I say to myself "Tre was playing man on that play", which had me thinking the Bills were continually mixing man vs. zone more than they probably were. Cool stuff and I will pass this knowledge on to my brothers and nephews who are as confused as me about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Thanks, and I think I understand better on a lot of plays (especially on replay) where I say to myself "Tre was playing man on that play", which had me thinking the Bills were continually mixing man vs. zone more than they probably were. Cool stuff and I will pass this knowledge on to my brothers and nephews who are as confused as me about this. Yes Sean is no stranger to combo coverages. All things he learned from Jim Johnson It's also not strange to see the Bills play a cover 6 which is a zone combination coverage of cover 4 and 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Football players in the NFL are the best of the best as are the coaches. Offenses today are more complex and evolved than ever before. Offenses attack defenses with speed , vertically and horizontally to stretch defenses 3-4 WR sets to attack weaknesses at CB or LBr There are lots of advantages to the offense Sean has combatted this by creating a scheme based on gap integrity , complex coverages in the secondary and timely blitzes I have 2 diagrams that show how Sean will confuse offenses pre and post snap and get QBs to hold the ball longer or panic and get rid of it too soon Nice thread but I always thought it was more about the tequila McD had put in the visiting team's Gatorade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 Just now, Florida Bills Fanatic said: Nice thread but I always thought it was more about the tequila McD had put in the visiting team's Gatorade. The threat is the diversion... that's the real secret ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 This is not my video but I was looking for certain looks to explain some other McDermott tendencies NOTICE- McDermott not afraid to run 8 man box. Basically 9 on 1 play... Bodies everywhere on run downs This is where Poyer excells as a run stuffer / Blitzer.. in the box off the edge. He is great at timing the snap and blowing up the backfield Where he struggles is in downhill run support. This year Sean had him all over the LoS early on downs to wreak havoc and play to his strengths I wish the video showed Sean's overload package and how he uses Poyer/ Taron so effectively because he only brings it out 2-5 times a game but boy is it effective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 5 hours ago, Happy said: Ok, kind of what I suspected. Frazier buys into what McD is doing and is coming up to speed on it, which probably means the defense isn't yet as good as it can be. I do think that Frazier is reluctant to blitz and stunt, where McD would do more of this as evidenced by the Charger game in 2017 where McD took over the defensive play calling. I get that this defense is more secondary-centric, though an active front that puts pressure on the opposing QB will go a long way to helping the secondary. And yes that's exactly how I would put it. McDermott has been building his defensive philosophy for 20 plus years Frazier took his own knowledge and what Sean likes to do and is getting up to speed on Sean's full philosophy. It's a lot more than one year job as I just said McDermott's been building it for 20 years Frazier no doubt has a better grasp on it today than he did 2 years ago and it's evident by his playcalling which is way more advanced I would expect Frazier to be getting another HC chance soon because he is gonna tear it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaaBills Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 This might be the best thread I've ever seen. Thank you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 8 hours ago, Happy said: Carolina. The OP mentions this, but states the defense is still the same as what McD runs at Buffalo today. Good catch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 19 minutes ago, DaaBills said: This might be the best thread I've ever seen. Thank you! That's what I'm here for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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