Deranged Rhino Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 Just now, shoshin said: Straw man argument is not productive. No one wants to close the country for years. You sure about that? You haven't been paying attention to the past 20 if you really think that. 1
shoshin Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You sure about that? You haven't been paying attention to the past 20 if you really think that. Yes, I'm sure. There are the Twitter screamers probably and they are the wacky minority but every state's governor is talking about reopening plans. Trying to keep the comments in reality, not at the extremes. Trump is just playing to a segment of his base talking like that. Edited May 6, 2020 by shoshin
Deranged Rhino Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 1 minute ago, shoshin said: Yes, I'm sure. There are the screamers and they are the minority. Every state's governor is talking about reopening plans. You're certain there aren't people within various levels of government who wish to destroy this country and reform it into something different? ... come now. They're literally BRAGGING about it in the early days of this lockdown. 2
SoCal Deek Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, shoshin said: Straw man argument is not productive. No one wants to close the country for years. Of course they don't....only until immediately after the first Tuesday in November! 1
3rdnlng Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 42 minutes ago, shoshin said: Yes, I'm sure. There are the Twitter screamers probably and they are the wacky minority but every state's governor is talking about reopening plans. Trying to keep the comments in reality, not at the extremes. Trump is just playing to a segment of his base talking like that. Explain the actions of the VA Governor then.
shoshin Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 56 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You're certain there aren't people within various levels of government who wish to destroy this country and reform it into something different? You've not stuck to Trump's quote and now introduce some other theory. 56 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: ... come now. So come now yourself. 56 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: They're literally BRAGGING about it in the early days of this lockdown. There was an attempt to hijack $$ and legislation in many directions. Most unsuccessful. And NONE OF IT centered on Trump's multi-year shutdown quote. 16 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Explain the actions of the VA Governor then. Every state has an opening plan.
Deranged Rhino Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 Just now, shoshin said: You've not stuck to Trump's quote and now introduce some other theory. Correct. I misread your initial post.
Magox Posted May 6, 2020 Author Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Warren Zevon said: For sure - I'm mainly talking about legit studies that show the death rate because of a crashing economy. I haven't seen any of these but it's been a huge talking point. What are you talking about? I have posted and cited at least 6 serological antibody tests from various respected universities, health departments and governments. The mortality rates range anywhere from .12% - .7% Even the anecdotal accounts in the meat packing plants and prisons which have large sample sizes in the thousands reinforce those findings. And there has also been compiled hospital data from the hospitals with the most COVID cases from NY, Boston and Italy that show the demographics of those that have been most effected. In the statistics thread there are economic impact studies on health. And other shut down related effects on health. Edited May 6, 2020 by Magox 1
plenzmd1 Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: i dont understand, outside of the beuracratic mess, why is there not a middle ground..high risk people stay home and shelter, the rest of us go about our business. The overall cost has to be much less even with the fraud that would occur.. 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: Explain the actions of the VA Governor then. what actions? Please explain what actions you have issues with? 1 2
Troll Toll Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: i dont understand, outside of the beuracratic mess, why is there not a middle ground..high risk people stay home and shelter, the rest of us go about our business. The overall cost has to be much less even with the fraud that would occur.. what actions? Please explain what actions you have issues with? That is what I don’t get. Retired folks can lock up if they want to and collect social security. Why do we still have to act like this is fatal for everyone? 2
plenzmd1 Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Troll Toll said: That is what I don’t get. Retired folks can lock up if they want to and collect social security. Why do we still have to act like this is fatal for everyone? well, not that easy. Say you 45 with a comobidity issue? In my simple , dumbed down idea, that person would be able to not go to work, get full pay and benefits, and have a jog guaranteed when either herd immunity is reached or a a vaccine available. Rife with fraud, no doubt, but the overall cost to our society and economy has just got to be less than this full lockdown no?
shoshin Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 31 minutes ago, Magox said: What are you talking about? I have posted and cited at least 6 serological antibody tests from various respected universities, health departments and governments. The mortality rates range anywhere from .12% - .7% Even the anecdotal accounts in the meat packing plants and prisons which have large sample sizes in the thousands reinforce those findings. And there has also been compiled hospital data from the hospitals with the most COVID cases from NY, Boston and Italy that show the demographics of those that have been most effected. In the statistics thread there are economic impact studies on health. And other shut down related effects on health. And anecdotally but over a population of 1M people, the average age of covid death in my county across some 500 people is 80.9. The average age of death is literally 2 years higher than the national average! I don't discount this but we can't keep treating 330M people the same. 20 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: i dont understand, outside of the beuracratic mess, why is there not a middle ground..high risk people stay home and shelter, the rest of us go about our business. The overall cost has to be much less even with the fraud that would occur.. what actions? Please explain what actions you have issues with? Friedman made this point a couple weeks ago and I echo it because it was so sensible. There are 2 groups of people: Those at risk (older and at risk) and the rest. Some of the rest will get sick and die and some of the at risk will be fine. But if we treat these groups in different ways, we can get the economy going. 1
Magox Posted May 6, 2020 Author Posted May 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, shoshin said: And anecdotally but over a population of 1M people, the average age of covid death in my county across some 500 people is 80.9. The average age of death is literally 2 years higher than the national average! I don't discount this but we can't keep treating 330M people the same. Friedman made this point a couple weeks ago and I echo it because it was so sensible. There are 2 groups of people: Those at risk (older and at risk) and the rest. Some of the rest will get sick and die and some of the at risk will be fine. But if we treat these groups in different ways, we can get the economy going. When have I ever have? In fact I have suggested otherwise ad nauseam on this board.
Albwan Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Magox said: What are you talking about? I have posted and cited at least 6 serological antibody tests from various respected universities, health departments and governments. The mortality rates range anywhere from .12% - .7% Even the anecdotal accounts in the meat packing plants and prisons which have large sample sizes in the thousands reinforce those findings. And there has also been compiled hospital data from the hospitals with the most COVID cases from NY, Boston and Italy that show the demographics of those that have been most effected. In the statistics thread there are economic impact studies on health. And other shut down related effects on health. Gary thinks the murder rate is 120% 1
3rdnlng Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: i dont understand, outside of the beuracratic mess, why is there not a middle ground..high risk people stay home and shelter, the rest of us go about our business. The overall cost has to be much less even with the fraud that would occur.. what actions? Please explain what actions you have issues with? https://www.complex.com/life/2020/03/virginia-june-stay-at-home-order-coronavirus Guess what happens the day before the shutdown is scheduled to end? Elections. 1
Prickly Pete Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, shoshin said: And anecdotally but over a population of 1M people, the average age of covid death in my county across some 500 people is 80.9. The average age of death is literally 2 years higher than the national average! I don't discount this but we can't keep treating 330M people the same. Friedman made this point a couple weeks ago and I echo it because it was so sensible. There are 2 groups of people: Those at risk (older and at risk) and the rest. Some of the rest will get sick and die and some of the at risk will be fine. But if we treat these groups in different ways, we can get the economy going. I made that point months ago...
plenzmd1 Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: https://www.complex.com/life/2020/03/virginia-june-stay-at-home-order-coronavirus Guess what happens the day before the shutdown is scheduled to end? Elections. how freaking dumb are you??? #1) you linked to an article with a byline of March 30..really freaking relevant #2) elections took place already, way before this poop hit..i should know, I FREAKING VOTED IN THEM!!!March 3 rd was the actual date. Look it up idiot #3) VA has been mostly open this whole time...even the freaking gun stores and outdoor ranges never closed ...but how would you know, you only follow the headlines and dribble of the idiots out there. But why challenge what your leaders tell you what to belive # liberate VA!!!!!! 3) We are set to open next week, way before the June 10th you linked to in that 7 week old article. https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Gov-Northam-to-outline-details-of-Phase-1-for-reopening-570178251.html Christ, you are an embarrassment and what makes this particular forum so hard for so many to take seriously Edited May 7, 2020 by plenzmd1 1
shoshin Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Magox said: When have I ever have? In fact I have suggested otherwise ad nauseam on this board. I was amplifying your point. 1
3rdnlng Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: how freaking dumb are you??? #1) you linked to an article with a byline of March 30..really freaking relevant #2) elections took place already, way before this poop hit..i should know, I FREAKING VOTED IN THEM!!!March 3 rd was the actual date. Look it up idiot #3) VA has been mostly open this whole time...even the freaking gun stores and outdoor ranges never closed ...but how would you know, you only follow the headlines and dribble of the idiots out there. But why challenge what your leaders tell you what to belive # liberate VA!!!!!! 3) We are set to open next week, way before the June 10th you linked to in that 7 week old article. https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Gov-Northam-to-outline-details-of-Phase-1-for-reopening-570178251.html Christ, you are an embarrassment and what makes this particular forum so hard for so many to take seriously https://www.ballotpedia.org/Virginia_elections,_2020 Primary elections Virginia's 2nd Congressional District election, 2020 (June 23 Democratic primary) Originally scheduled for June 9 Virginia's 5th Congressional District election, 2020 (Republican convention) Virginia's 7th Congressional District election, 2020 (Republican conv https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/30/virginia-governor-issues-statewide-stay-home-order-until-june-10th/ You may want to retract your ignorant comments.
plenzmd1 Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: https://www.ballotpedia.org/Virginia_elections,_2020 Primary elections Virginia's 2nd Congressional District election, 2020 (June 23 Democratic primary) Originally scheduled for June 9 Virginia's 5th Congressional District election, 2020 (Republican convention) Virginia's 7th Congressional District election, 2020 (Republican conv https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/30/virginia-governor-issues-statewide-stay-home-order-until-june-10th/ You may want to retract your ignorant comments. I will retract nothing, you are an idiot lemming plain and simple. Do you even know what you linked to? I doubt it, as reading is hard for you..let me quote from the 5th and 7th District you posted above Quote On April 12, 2020, Virginia's 5th District Republican Committee voted to change the date of the convention due to concerns amid the coronavirus pandemic. Quote A Republican Party convention was scheduled to take place on April 25, 2020, in Virginia's 7th Congressional District to determine which Republican candidate would run in the district's general election on November 3, 2020. On April 5, 2020, Virginia's 7th District Republican Committee voted to change the date of the convention due to concerns amid the coronavirus pandemic. As of April 5, 2020, the new convention date was not known.[1] You are a hack, lemming, with no useful ideas to contribute to this forum. Not one item of " information " in your original post is accurate or informative. You my friend are an unadulterated IDIOT Further more, here is more info Quote Governor Ralph Northam today requested the General Assembly move the May General Election and all special elections scheduled for May 5, 2020 to the November 3, 2020 General Election date to further mitigate the spread of COVID-19. The Governor is also exercising his statutory authority (§ 24.2-603.1 of the Code of Virginia) to move the June primary elections from June 9, 2020 to June 23, 2 hmm, even assuming your June 10Th "lockdown, let elections go on though" was accurate and every Virginian was staying home..guess the June 23 date fudges that theory up Edited May 7, 2020 by plenzmd1
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