3rdnlng Posted September 1, 2020 Posted September 1, 2020 34 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: I'm told Google is keeping its employees out of the office through mid-2021. I still can't grasp the real estate ramifications of this. Do they sit on these properties for another year or just buy their way out? What impact will this have on that area? While most sea change is incremental Covid has abruptly changed the game. Downtown office space is going to become dirt cheap while restaurants and auxiliary businesses will have to figure out how to survive with fewer clientele. There's going to be a lot of hurt going on while businesses have to shift practices or locations.
RochesterRob Posted September 1, 2020 Posted September 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I agree with the general sentiment but a limited lockdown may be necessary depending on what happens now that we are heading back towards cold weather and staying inside more.
ziltoid Posted September 1, 2020 Posted September 1, 2020 27 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: I agree with the general sentiment but a limited lockdown may be necessary depending on what happens now that we are heading back towards cold weather and staying inside more. No. Don't even crack that door open. Masks work, do they not?
RochesterRob Posted September 1, 2020 Posted September 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, BeerLeagueHockey said: No. Don't even crack that door open. Masks work, do they not? When I say limited lockdown I am talking about isolating the most vulnerable in society such as the elderly. Especially the elderly that have health issues to start with. Not what we did in NYS which was to isolate everybody.
ziltoid Posted September 1, 2020 Posted September 1, 2020 51 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: When I say limited lockdown I am talking about isolating the most vulnerable in society such as the elderly. Especially the elderly that have health issues to start with. Not what we did in NYS which was to isolate everybody. I hope so. I was just giving you a hard time. I'm ok with where WNY is for the fall. No reason to go backwards unless the dead start piling up in the streets. Prove being in school is not the end of the world and move on.
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 What has been fairly obvious for the last two months: 5 2 1
The Frankish Reich Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 Try to follow this logic: 1 - A vaccine that is safe and (reasonably) effective is just around the corner. (That's from the President himself!) 2 - Therefore, it makes sense to err on the side of caution. We may throw open the doors in a few months (or maybe in 6 months). To do it now risks hundreds of thousands of additional deaths (not to mention exorbitant health care costs) when a solution to the crisis is on the way. This is common sense. From an economics perspective, let's say something gives me great pleasure, like going on a Caribbean cruise. I can go next week, but there's tropical storm brewing that may reach hurricane status and ruin the trip, and put me at some risk of harm. Or the cruise line says I can go in November, when hurricane season is over. I defer gratification and put off the trip. Any intelligent person does this type of thing all the time. I agree with (1). And I have to assume a whole lot of others here do too, because they obviously believe the President has a good handle on all of this even though his political opponents (and the media) won't admit it for self-serving reasons. But instead of then reaching the logical conclusion -- let's go slow on reopening, the cure is on it's way! -- they argue "let's fling the doors open immediately." 1
shoshin Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 6:26 PM, BeerLeagueHockey said: No. Don't even crack that door open. I'd leave it dependent on hospital bed capacity only. On 9/1/2020 at 6:26 PM, BeerLeagueHockey said: Masks work, do they not? Masks help. They are not a panacea.
SoCal Deek Posted September 11, 2020 Posted September 11, 2020 On 9/8/2020 at 7:37 AM, shoshin said: I'd leave it dependent on hospital bed capacity only. Masks help. They are not a panacea. We’ve gone over and over and over this! We’ve been wearing masks nonstop since March in California. I’m not at all convinced it has much if any impact on this. And if it does then our 40,000,000 population would be a great sample size to study. So...our death rate ‘is what it is’.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 11, 2020 Posted September 11, 2020 On 9/8/2020 at 10:24 AM, The Frankish Reich said: Try to follow this logic: 1 - A vaccine that is safe and (reasonably) effective is just around the corner. (That's from the President himself!) 2 - Therefore, it makes sense to err on the side of caution. We may throw open the doors in a few months (or maybe in 6 months). To do it now risks hundreds of thousands of additional deaths (not to mention exorbitant health care costs) when a solution to the crisis is on the way. This is common sense. From an economics perspective, let's say something gives me great pleasure, like going on a Caribbean cruise. I can go next week, but there's tropical storm brewing that may reach hurricane status and ruin the trip, and put me at some risk of harm. Or the cruise line says I can go in November, when hurricane season is over. I defer gratification and put off the trip. Any intelligent person does this type of thing all the time. I agree with (1). And I have to assume a whole lot of others here do too, because they obviously believe the President has a good handle on all of this even though his political opponents (and the media) won't admit it for self-serving reasons. But instead of then reaching the logical conclusion -- let's go slow on reopening, the cure is on it's way! -- they argue "let's fling the doors open immediately." Frankish....would you mind sharing how you’re doing financially over the last six months? I’m not interested in picking a fight one way or the other, but it’s been my personal, local observation that those on the razor edge of financial ruin are much more inclined to want to get back to regular business than those who have received steady weekly/monthly income from any variety of sources. i was speaking with a restaurant owner in the Albany area yesterday. Offers a finer, higher end establishment and since he is on a waterfront, outdoor seating is not an issue (though the weather is turning), and he’s a self-made man with many other business interests. He said he’ll be fine, I did not inquire about his employees, but we discussed that 60% figure tossed about as it relates to restaurant closings across NY. If it goes that way, it’s a blood letting and the impact will be catastrophic. At some point, the logical conclusion is also the most devastating in the larger picture.
ziltoid Posted September 11, 2020 Posted September 11, 2020 25 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Frankish....would you mind sharing how you’re doing financially over the last six months? I’m not interested in picking a fight one way or the other, but it’s been my personal, local observation that those on the razor edge of financial ruin are much more inclined to want to get back to regular business than those who have received steady weekly/monthly income from any variety of sources. i was speaking with a restaurant owner in the Albany area yesterday. Offers a finer, higher end establishment and since he is on a waterfront, outdoor seating is not an issue (though the weather is turning), and he’s a self-made man with many other business interests. He said he’ll be fine, I did not inquire about his employees, but we discussed that 60% figure tossed about as it relates to restaurant closings across NY. If it goes that way, it’s a blood letting and the impact will be catastrophic. At some point, the logical conclusion is also the most devastating in the larger picture. It doesn't matter, people can't see beyond the mask in front of their face. Only when the herd immunity sets in will people start waking up to the obliteration of the American way of life. By then it'll be too late, UBI for everyone will be the only morally just answer. 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted September 11, 2020 Posted September 11, 2020 Just now, BeerLeagueHockey said: It doesn't matter, people can't see beyond the mask in front of their face. Only when the herd immunity sets in will people start waking up to the obliteration of the American way of life. By then it'll be too late, UBI for everyone will be the only morally just answer. The herd immunity would cost how many lives? To get there. How many? 1
SectionC3 Posted September 11, 2020 Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Frankish....would you mind sharing how you’re doing financially over the last six months? I’m not interested in picking a fight one way or the other, but it’s been my personal, local observation that those on the razor edge of financial ruin are much more inclined to want to get back to regular business than those who have received steady weekly/monthly income from any variety of sources. i was speaking with a restaurant owner in the Albany area yesterday. Offers a finer, higher end establishment and since he is on a waterfront, outdoor seating is not an issue (though the weather is turning), and he’s a self-made man with many other business interests. He said he’ll be fine, I did not inquire about his employees, but we discussed that 60% figure tossed about as it relates to restaurant closings across NY. If it goes that way, it’s a blood letting and the impact will be catastrophic. At some point, the logical conclusion is also the most devastating in the larger picture. I don’t doubt that this is true. But it returns us to the point that to get the economy back to normal, we need not only to reopen, but to reinstall consumer confidence. Opening doors is meaningless unless and until consumers have a sense of health security in the places they formerly patronized. Personally, living in Orchard Park, I have no intention of going to any local restaurant anytime soon. I love the guys at the Byrd House. I really do. And I’ll buy gift certificates for friends from that restaurant. But I am not eating at any of these places not because of what they’re doing or not doing, but because of the behavior of their patrons. I run down that road and I see little to no mask compliance at any establishment (aside from Spot Coffee) on a weekend night. That, of course, gets us back to the point that if we all just sucked it up and wore a 50-cent mask in public, we probably would be in a much, much better spot right now. Edited September 11, 2020 by SectionC3 2
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted September 11, 2020 Posted September 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: I don’t doubt that this is true. But it returns us to the point that to get the economy back to normal, we need not only to reopen, but to reinstall consumer confidence. Opening doors are meaningless unless and until consumers have a sense of health security in the places they formerly patronized. Personally, living in Orchard Park, I have no intention of going to any local restaurant anytime soon. I love the guys at the Byrd House. I really do. And I’ll buy gift certificates for friends from that restaurant. But I am not eating at any of these places not because of what they’re doing or not doing, but because of the behavior of their patrons. I run down that road and I see little to no mask compliance at any establishment (aside from Spot Coffee) on a weekend night. That, of course, gets us back to the point that if we all just sucked it up and wore a 50-cent mask in public, we probably would be in a much, much better spot right now. https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/10/health/restaurant-dining-covid-19-cdc-study-wellness/index.html I told the guy running our hockey pick up games I won't be there. I almost played but thought it was a dumb idea after thinking about it
SectionC3 Posted September 11, 2020 Posted September 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/10/health/restaurant-dining-covid-19-cdc-study-wellness/index.html I told the guy running our hockey pick up games I won't be there. I almost played but thought it was a dumb idea after thinking about it I hate to say it, but the risk isn’t worth the reward right now. We’ve been disciplined for nearly six months, and I’m not going to crack when we’re probably no more than six months away from some sort of resolution, be it a vaccine or virus burnout after a fall resurgence. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted September 11, 2020 Posted September 11, 2020 2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Frankish....would you mind sharing how you’re doing financially over the last six months? I’m not interested in picking a fight one way or the other, but it’s been my personal, local observation that those on the razor edge of financial ruin are much more inclined to want to get back to regular business than those who have received steady weekly/monthly income from any variety of sources. i was speaking with a restaurant owner in the Albany area yesterday. Offers a finer, higher end establishment and since he is on a waterfront, outdoor seating is not an issue (though the weather is turning), and he’s a self-made man with many other business interests. He said he’ll be fine, I did not inquire about his employees, but we discussed that 60% figure tossed about as it relates to restaurant closings across NY. If it goes that way, it’s a blood letting and the impact will be catastrophic. At some point, the logical conclusion is also the most devastating in the larger picture. Fair question. I am fortunate. I have a job that is amenable to telework, and that's what I've been doing since late March with only occasional office visits. I understand that many others are in a very different situation. As for restaurants, I try to do my best to keep the local places going. Right now that's easy since I enjoy dining outdoors. And I know it will get a lot more difficult as the weather changes. But throwing the doors open too early will not help anyone. It will bring us back to the critical situation we faced in April, with the only options being another 80% economic shutdown or catastrophic loss of life and a desperate situation in our hospitals. I 1
B-Man Posted September 11, 2020 Posted September 11, 2020 CARING: Democrats Block GOP Covid Aid Package. Hey, you can’t expect them to help Americans when there’s a GOP president and an election just weeks away.
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