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Hi all I just wanted to drop a few thoughts about our very polarizing  Qb. I know there's a good number of bills fans and those outside the organization that still doubt Josh and his potential. H

You couldn't just spell out Josh Allen?

There really isn't too much to argue here. Some might disagree with the spin on Smoke, and Beasley's "career years," or that Allen made Jones look above average (or that Jones ever looked above averag

2 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

I'll hold off on that until Kong vs Godzilla. 

 

Godzilla would destroy Kong.

 

Godzilla basically swallowed King Ghidorah, so how much of a chance would an ape have against an indestructible force like Godzilla? Quick answer.... none.

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4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Facts? No. Conjecture. From a hater at that. Nothing the OP said was wrong nor worth a lame critique.

 

I thought he had a lot of points correct.  For example, Beasley did have a slightly better year in 2016 than 2019, albeit in 16 games vs 15.  Then there are counterpoints: that was felt to be his prime and the reason the Cowboys let him go was that they felt he had slipped off. 

 

Brown did have almost as good a year in 2015 (his second season), but that year Larry Fitzgerald in his prime was drawing the best coverage.  The counterpoint question with Brown was, if he's the focus of coverage attention can he do as well?  Answer: yes, and Allen helped him do it. and also, where has he been in the 3 years since 2015?

 

 

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5 hours ago, BigBillsFan said:

Another Josh "The Victim" Allen: no weapons, no help, just him on an island against Godzilla.

While I do agree with the OP, generally speaking, you’d think our other ten offensive players were culled from some little loop squad

22 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Big Bills Fan, except you are not...

You do realize that being a fan doesn’t mean you have to believe every player on the roster is a budding all pro, or an absolute beast, or whatever superlatives you care to use.  This also goes for QB. Carry on. 

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13 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

While I do agree with the OP, generally speaking, you’d think our other ten offensive players were culled from some little loop squad

 

WTF is a "little loop squad"? 

 

When even the GM comes out and says "I should have done more" as he did about 2018, the talent dearth might be real

 

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You do realize that being a fan doesn’t mean you have to believe every player on the roster is a budding all pro, or an absolute beast, or whatever superlatives you care to use.  This also goes for QB. Carry on. 

 

You do realize there's a lot of space between "Another Josh "The Victim" Allen: no weapons, no help, just him on an island against Godzilla. " and "budding all pro absolute beast" right?  Both are takes exaggerated to the point of parody.

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We're on a board where people commonly insult each other for bad grammar, misspelling, and sexual innuendo and now me joking about Godzilla is a bridge too far. Really? Goosfraba!

 

A veteran athlete in the NFL isn't a bum, and outside of 20-50 players in the entire world better than him at his position any starter is fairly competent unless the coach puts in young players he wants to excel in the hopes they can be better than the vets who might be better today for salary cap reasons or potential.

 

Maybe the silly joke about Godzilla was to give perspective that the sky ain't falling and our talent isn't that bad on offense. Maybe a Tannehill can change the 28th offense to the 4th best. Sometimes 1 player makes a huge difference, sometimes it doesn't without the right coaching. It's a complex sport.

 

Cole Beasley is a fantastic athlete, the same with John Brown, Gore played fantastic to start the season, and Singletary is a great athlete and player. When people say Josh carried the team, or he had no weapons, or there is a dearth of talent I'm sorry but that's not a serious argument. 2018 season? Sure, but not 2019.

 

If it takes putting down legit vets and athletes to feel better about the QB than you've lost perspective.
 

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7 hours ago, BillsBlue said:

He gives smoke and Beasley career years in only his second season with an almost all new supporting cast and has shown a serious chemistry throwing to Knox.


Smoke and Beasley got more balls because there were more targets on previous teams and they are higher in pecking order here than they were there.  And Beasley had more yards in 2016.

 

John "Smoke" Brown.

    Game Game Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece
Year Tm G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD 1D Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt
Care   87 57 543 287 4290 14.9 28 204 75 3.3 49.3 52.9% 7.9
4 yr ARI 56 27 331 173 2515 14.5 17 123 75 3.1 44.9 52.3% 7.6
1 yr BAL 16 15 97 42 715 17.0 5 28 71 2.6 44.7 43.3% 7.4
1 yr BUF 15 15 115 72 1060 14.7 6 53 53 4.8 70.7 62.6% 9.2
2014 ARI 16 5 102 48 696 14.5 5 31 75 3.0 43.5 47.1% 6.8
2015 ARI 15 11 101 65 1003 15.4 7 49 68 4.3 66.9 64.4% 9.9
2016 ARI 15 6 73 39 517 13.3 2 28 30 2.6 34.5 53.4% 7.1
2017 ARI 10 5 55 21 299 14.2 3 15 52 2.1 29.9 38.2% 5.4
2018 BAL 16 15 97 42 715 17.0 5 28 71 2.6 44.7 43.3% 7.4
2019 BUF 15 15 115 72 1060 14.7 6 53 53 4.8 70.7 62.6% 9.2

 

Cole Beasley

      Game Game Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece
Year Age Tm G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD 1D Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt
Care Care   118 32 556 386 4049 10.5 29 236 54 3.3 34.3 69.4% 7.3
7 yr 7 yr DAL 103 22 450 319 3271 10.3 23 199 54 3.1 31.8 70.9% 7.3
1 yr 1 yr BUF 15 10 106 67 778 11.6 6 37 51 4.5 51.9 63.2% 7.3
2012 23 DAL 10 0 24 15 128 8.5 0 8 20 1.5 12.8 62.5% 5.3
2013 24 DAL 14 3 54 39 368 9.4 2 21 23 2.8 26.3 72.2% 6.8
2014 25 DAL 16 2 49 37 420 11.4 4 26 45 2.3 26.3 75.5% 8.6
2015 26 DAL 16 3 75 52 536 10.3 5 31 30 3.3 33.5 69.3% 7.1
2016 27 DAL 16 6 98 75 833 11.1 5 51 47 4.7 52.1 76.5% 8.5
2017 28 DAL 15 4 63 36 314 8.7 4 20 54 2.4 20.9 57.1% 5.0
2018 29 DAL 16 4 87 65 672 10.3 3 42 32 4.1 42.0 74.7% 7.7
2019 30 BUF 15 10 106 67 778 11.6 6 37 51 4.5 51.9 63.2% 7.3
Provided by Pro-Football-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 2/27/2020.

 

Allen needed to make the throws yes but it is not all that surprising.

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2 hours ago, njbuff said:

 

Not even Josh Allen can take on Godzilla.

 

No one or nothing can.

 

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I'd say Goku could defeat Godzilla ?

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I thought he had a lot of points correct.  For example, Beasley did have a slightly better year in 2016 than 2019, albeit in 16 games vs 15.  Then there are counterpoints: that was felt to be his prime and the reason the Cowboys let him go was that they felt he had slipped off. 

 

Brown did have almost as good a year in 2015 (his second season), but that year Larry Fitzgerald in his prime was drawing the best coverage.  The counterpoint question with Brown was, if he's the focus of coverage attention can he do as well?  Answer: yes, and Allen helped him do it. and also, where has he been in the 3 years since 2015?

 

 

Thanks for taking my points a bit further into detail I didn't even think that far into it ?

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56 minutes ago, BigBillsFan said:

We're on a board where people common insult each other for bad grammar, misspelling, and sexual innuendo and now me joking about Godzilla is a bridge too far. Really? Goosfraba!

 

A veteran athlete in the NFL isn't a bum, and outside of 20-50 players in the entire world better than him at his position any starter is fairly competent unless the coach puts in young players he wants to excel in the hopes they can be better than the vets who might be better today for salary cap reasons or potential.

 

Maybe the silly joke about Godzilla was to give perspective that the sky ain't falling and our talent isn't that bad on offense. Maybe a Tannehill can change the 28th offense to the 4th best. Sometimes 1 player makes a huge difference, sometimes it doesn't without the right coaching. It's a complex sport.

 

Cole Beasley is a fantastic athlete, the same with John Brown, Gore played fantastic to start the season, and Singletary is a great athlete and player. When people say Josh carried the team, or he had no weapons, or there is a dearth of talent I'm sorry but that's not a serious argument. 2018 season? Sure, but not 2019.

 

If it takes putting down legit vets and athletes to feel better about the QB than you've lost perspective.
 

Hey now I called Beasley and brown shiny new toys but honestly brown is a weak number 1 he is not open when he's not open he's no aj green or amari or Jones he's a level below that. So I'd say we have yet to see Josh's ceiling or even close to it when it comes to being a passer. Look at what other top QBs are working with, ***** mahomes has about 3 number 1 quality people who catch the ball between hill, mecole, and Watkins and then there's kelce.....I know I know mahomes is better but he's just unreal ...I'd like to see what Allen could do with that much surrounding talent and ref help 

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1 hour ago, BigBillsFan said:

We're on a board where people commonly insult each other for bad grammar, misspelling, and sexual innuendo and now me joking about Godzilla is a bridge too far. Really? Goosfraba!

 

If it was a “bridge too far”, it would be gone.  Do you really want to contend your comment about “Another Josh The Victim Allen” didn’t represent exaggeration to the point of parody?  :flirt:

 

1 hour ago, BigBillsFan said:

Maybe the silly joke about Godzilla was to give perspective that the sky ain't falling and our talent isn't that bad on offense.

 

Because when I want to make a point that the talent isn’t bad on offense, I always make a comment that anyone criticizing it is “Another QB the Victim” thread. 

Nah, don’t think “perspective” was your goal here.

 

The talent is not “that bad” on offense.  But it’s not “that good” either.  Our OL improved from abysmal in 2018 to “overall decent”.  Our WR and TE likewise.  Our RB were able to run.

 

1 hour ago, BigBillsFan said:

Maybe a Tannehill can change the 28th offense to the 4th best. Sometimes 1 player makes a huge difference, sometimes it doesn't without the right coaching. It's a complex sport.

 

I would need context for what is referenced being the 28th offense or the 4th.  Tennessee finished the season 10th for points and 12th for yards on offense and #3 for rushing yards, so one might wish to contemplate that the Tennessee improvement on offense didn’t represent a change from Mariota to Tannehill alone.

 

1 hour ago, BigBillsFan said:

Cole Beasley is a fantastic athlete, the same with John Brown, Gore played fantastic to start the season, and Singletary is a great athlete and player. When people say Josh carried the team, or he had no weapons, or there is a dearth of talent I'm sorry but that's not a serious argument. 2018 season? Sure, but not 2019.

 

All NFL players are fantastic athletes.  Brown and Beasley are legit, very good quality NFL WR but they were able to be taken away by physical coverage and in Beasley’s case bracketing.  At times they were open and Allen did not throw to them.  Gore tailed off mid to late season and while Singletary shows great promise as a young RB, for whatever reason we kept putting Gore out there.  Knox showed great potential along with frustrating lapses.

 

Where has that been said in this thread?  Maybe I missed it, but you seem to be setting up some straw and then fervently attacking it.

 

1 hour ago, BigBillsFan said:

If it takes putting down legit vets and athletes to feel better about the QB than you've lost perspective.

 

I would agree with that, but see above.

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19 hours ago, BigBillsFan said:

Another Josh "The Victim" Allen: no weapons, no help, just him on an island against Godzilla.

So, I think you really should open up and express your true feelings about Josh Allen, the coaches, and the team as a whole, your continued beating around the bush, leaves so much obviously unsaid. Don’t hold back, tell us what you really think... ??

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46 minutes ago, BillsBlue said:

I'm pleased to see the grammar police are keeping things legit this fine friday morning ?

not really the grammar police here, more like the, 'you opened the door, so i'm going through it'.

 

 

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16 hours ago, njbuff said:

 

Godzilla would destroy Kong.

 

Godzilla basically swallowed King Ghidorah, so how much of a chance would an ape have against an indestructible force like Godzilla? Quick answer.... none.

Don't sleep on the newer, bigger, more improved Kong. He is about to drop some elbows off the top rope.

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2 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

Don't sleep on the newer, bigger, more improved Kong. He is about to drop some elbows off the top rope.


You can say what you want, but Kong is a 1000-1 underdog against Godzilla.

 

But it has to be written into the movie that Kong has to at least be majorly competitive and try to make it believable in the process.

 

No easy task.

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