PlayoffsPlease Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 9 hours ago, ScottLaw said: And I'm guessing Allen will get around 16-18 more games to prove he is made out for this league as a legitimate starter before they considering looking elsewhere. Dalton oozes process so I could see this happening. I think it is more likely that Daboll gets the rest of this season with Allen, and if the progress seems stalled, then they look to see if Allen will improve with a different OCs. Even if Daboll is competent, he is not special and pretty easy to replace. #7 overall pick QBs in the draft are much rarer, and I think the Bills will investigate the new OC angle, before giving up on him. 8 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I know this isn’t what this thread is really about but I’d totally be cool with making a move for Dalton in the offseason. Best case he is an exceptional backup. If the worst happens and Allen becomes a bust, you have another out here. In a league where Ryan Fitzpatrick and Ryan Tannehill and Case Keenum are starting QBs, I think it is likely Dalton sees himself as a starter, not an exceptional backup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 With there season lost it's a smart move to see if Ryan Finley has potential or team will move up in the draft. Dalton will likely start next season as a bridge QB could even be Bengals . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 52 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: #7 overall pick QBs in the draft are much rarer, and I think the Bills will investigate the new OC angle, before giving up on him. Just because a team makes a player the #7th pick, doesn't mean that player is worthy of that draft status, and hanging on too long just wastes guys like Hyde & Poyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Seven-N-Nine said: Just because a team makes a player the #7th pick, doesn't mean that player is worthy of that draft status, and hanging on too long just wastes guys like Hyde & Poyer. are you saying the bills should move on from josh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, teef said: are you saying the bills should move on from josh? He's saying the guy who needed 115 more passes to throw the same TDs as Allen might be an upgrade over Allen... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: Just because a team makes a player the #7th pick, doesn't mean that player is worthy of that draft status, and hanging on too long just wastes guys like Hyde & Poyer. 1. Reading comprehension is important. 2. I was just stating what I think the Bills will do, not what they should do. On the substance of moving on, Allen has improved from year 1 to year 2 both statistically and according to any reasonable "eye test". It seems pretty stupid to argue that people are "holding on" when a young QB is still improving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, teef said: are you saying the bills should move on from josh? Not at this point in time, but they should not be closed off to the idea if he doesn't seriously improve by this time next season. The days of a GM and HC sticking with the QB they drafted until the wheels come off needs to end, a lot of other talent on the team is wasted in the meantime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: He's saying the guy who needed 115 more passes to throw the same TDs as Allen might be an upgrade over Allen... it's just what he does. Just now, Seven-N-Nine said: Not at this point in time, but they should not be closed off to the idea if he doesn't seriously improve by this time next season. The days of a GM and HC sticking with the QB they drafted until the wheels come off needs to end, a lot of other talent on the team is wasted in the meantime. why would they be closed off to the idea of getting a new qb if josh doens't work out? he's in his second year, and he'll be here for a third. he has to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, teef said: it's just what he does. why would they be closed off to the idea of getting a new qb if josh doens't work out? he's in his second year, and he'll be here for a third. he has to get better. Look how long they belabored the Zay Jones debacle of a pick, if they were not the ones who selected him, he'd have been gone a lot sooner. I don't trust that they would be able to face the facts Allen isn't cutting it until it's way past due to make a change, especially at that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Seven-N-Nine said: Look how long they belabored the Zay Jones debacle of a pick, if they were not the ones who selected him, he'd have been gone a lot sooner. I don't trust that they would be able to face the facts Allen isn't cutting it until it's way past due to make a change, especially at that position. seriously? look how long? he was in his third year. his first year was lousy, and his second year he had significant improvement. he lead the team in wr production, and was even more productive than watkins. he didn't show this year so he was gone before the midway mark of the season. should they have cut him after last year? of course not. to say they dragged on the zay pick is nonsense and isn't even a valid argument. you try too hard. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: Look how long they belabored the Zay Jones debacle of a pick, if they were not the ones who selected him, he'd have been gone a lot sooner. I don't trust that they would be able to face the facts Allen isn't cutting it until it's way past due to make a change, especially at that position. 2 minutes ago, teef said: seriously? look how long? he was in his third year. his first year was lousy, and his second year he had significant improvement. he lead the team in wr production, and was even more productive than watkins. he didn't show this year so he was gone before the midway mark of the season. should they have cut him after last year? of course not. to say they dragged on the zay pick is nonsense and isn't even a valid argument. you try too hard. In their very brief history with the Bills, the only player I think McDermott/Beane dragged their feet on getting rid of was Kelvin Benjamin. They absolutely did not draw the Zay project on for too long, in my opinion. As far as Allen goes, he's played 17 games and he's shown forward progress on a pretty consistent basis. Does he need to be better? Yes. But when a QB has fumbling issues, it's probably not the wisest thing to do to call designed QB sweeps. Especially on the same day you have a healthy scratch in McKenzie riding the pine. The most problematic piece of this team that's been held on for too long, unfortunately, is Brian Daboll. Hopefully, he was taken to the woodshed after last week's absolute garbage game plan/play calling and he finally understands that he is misusing the talent that we DO have on this roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: In their very brief history with the Bills, the only player I think McDermott/Beane dragged their feet on getting rid of was Kelvin Benjamin. They absolutely did not draw the Zay project on for too long, in my opinion. As far as Allen goes, he's played 17 games and he's shown forward progress on a pretty consistent basis. Does he need to be better? Yes. But when a QB has fumbling issues, it's probably not the wisest thing to do to call designed QB sweeps. Especially on the same day you have a healthy scratch in McKenzie riding the pine. The most problematic piece of this team that's been held on for too long, unfortunately, is Brian Daboll. Hopefully, he was taken to the woodshed after last week's absolute garbage game plan/play calling and he finally understands that he is misusing the talent that we DO have on this roster. i'm not sure if kelvin was even too long, but it sure felt that way considering how lazy he ended up being. i'm in no way saying this staff is perfect. they've done their share of bad along with the good, but if this team gets into the playoffs this year, i'll be impressed...no matter who they've beaten. the bills have spent too much time at the bottom, so i'm not upset that they're beating the bottom feeders for once. concerning daboll, i never really felt the play calling was questionable until the last two weeks. even then i'm not sure it's on him, the players, or more likely both. right now i'm only concerned about the win loss record. win this sunday, and i'm thrilled with 6-2. the season is a marathon, so i'm not jumping to any conclusions yet. i just want to enjoy the ride and see how it plays out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, teef said: i'm not sure if kelvin was even too long, but it sure felt that way considering how lazy he ended up being. i'm in no way saying this staff is perfect. they've done their share of bad along with the good, but if this team gets into the playoffs this year, i'll be impressed...no matter who they've beaten. the bills have spent too much time at the bottom, so i'm not upset that they're beating the bottom feeders for once. concerning daboll, i never really felt the play calling was questionable until the last two weeks. even then i'm not sure it's on him, the players, or more likely both. right now i'm only concerned about the win loss record. win this sunday, and i'm thrilled with 6-2. the season is a marathon, so i'm not jumping to any conclusions yet. i just want to enjoy the ride and see how it plays out. Absolutely, teef. I'm loving the wins and also have no concerns who they're against. They're beating the teams they're supposed to beat. At midway, for our only losses to be to NE and PHI ... a) most of us would have predicted those to be losses and b) we'll be 6-2!!! Daboll has concerned me since last season. He's shown the ability to call great games, but he will come back the following week with some crazy crap that doesn't make sense and is totally ineffective. By now, he should know what he's got and know how to use them ... consistently. That all comes down to the head coach. And I'm pretty confident that McDermott gave Daboll an earful after last week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 20 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: He threw a bunch of picks a couple weeks ago. He’s the type of QB who can be really good with a really good supporting cast. If he doesn’t have that, he can’t overcome it. They have had suuuuch a bad Oline for so long. They've spent 1sts in the last what, 2 drafts? 1 isn't playing to potential and 1 got hurt immediately. They traded for glenn who's constantly hurt. Just can't fix that unit no matter how much they try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 And the beat goes on, the beat goes on Drums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain La de da de de, la de da de da Some people will never be happy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 57 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: 1. Reading comprehension is important. 2. I was just stating what I think the Bills will do, not what they should do. On the substance of moving on, Allen has improved from year 1 to year 2 both statistically and according to any reasonable "eye test". It seems pretty stupid to argue that people are "holding on" when a young QB is still improving. You don't want it to become a blake bortles situation and ruin what might otherwise be a very good team. Next season i expect to both draft someone, and bring in someone better than barkley to push allen. These guys should all be available: Bridgewater, Flacco, Winston, Mariota, Eli Manning, Keenum, Tannehill Obviously Tennessee, Miami, Cinn, TB, Denver, and to a lesser extent Chicago, and Pitt will be looking for QBs. Miami and Cinn are probably already drafting guys in the top 2 picks, and you also have to look at teams looking to improve their backups - but we should be in the mix there. As for drafting? Get me an accurate guy anywhere in this draft, maybe in rounds 2-5. It's Allens team, until it isnt. Edited October 30, 2019 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 20 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Agreed. AAaaand he’d be an upgrade over everyone we have behind Josh. Oh absolutely!!!!!! Are we going to have 90 million in cap space in 2020 or did I dream these numbers up? If so, I would like to see him sign with us, but for less than the 17.7 mil. he is due to receive from Cincy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, dneveu said: These guys should all be available: Bridgewater, Flacco, Winston, Mariota, Eli Manning, Keenum, Tannehill Barkley is on the books through 2020 Not one of them will push Josh IMO. Of that list a viable "just in case need for a backup" I'd pick Tannehill or Bridgewater or even maybe Keenum Edited October 30, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said: In a league where Ryan Fitzpatrick and Ryan Tannehill and Case Keenum are starting QBs, I think it is likely Dalton sees himself as a starter, not an exceptional backup. Sadly, you are probably correct. In a perfect world, I would love to see the Bills sign him for 2 or 3 years at 10 million or so per season but I do understand that this is highly unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 8 hours ago, Virgil said: FA is before the draft. Green has to make his decision before knowing what QB they take If the Bengals have the 1st pick overall it becomes obvious they will draft Tua IMO. If the Bengals pick is not 1st overall it becomes obvious they will not draft Tua IMO. Thanks for the reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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