ddaryl Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 17 hours ago, GG said: What is obvious is that Barkley is better prepared to run this offense, as designed, but clearly can't do what Josh can if the play breaks down. I'm sorry did you see something I did not. Barkley LIMITS this offense by not having the same tool box that Josh has. Opposing Defense will have a lot less to take away from Barkely to contain him then they will have against Josh. Josh > Barkley and I don't see a single scenario where Barkley is a better option. Limited arm strength and scrambling threat really limits Barkley and that is what separates Allen from a Barkley. Allen just needs to grow some more to eliminate his short comings. Barkley is Barkley at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (with BYE weeks in the books you can't just go be total yards) Titans D - Net yards - 17th* - Bills 3rd - AVG YPG - 14th - Bills 2nd AVG Passing Defense Stats - All NFL Tenny - 14th - Bills 4th AVG Rushing Defense Stats - All NFL Tenny - 15th - Bills 7th Buffalo's TOP 10 Defense should handle the Titans. Barkley just needs to be a care taker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 21 minutes ago, ddaryl said: I'm sorry did you see something I did not. Barkley LIMITS this offense by not having the same tool box that Josh has. Opposing Defense will have a lot less to take away from Barkely to contain him then they will have against Josh. Josh > Barkley and I don't see a single scenario where Barkley is a better option. Limited arm strength and scrambling threat really limits Barkley and that is what separates Allen from a Barkley. Allen just needs to grow some more to eliminate his short comings. Barkley is Barkley at this point. At this point in time, running the offense that Daboll has installed, I think that Barkley will put up more points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, GG said: At this point in time, running the offense that Daboll has installed, I think that Barkley will put up more points. Daboll's offense presents qbs with a lot of options (the scheme is good and aggressive), and I do think that Barkley gets through progressions a lot faster than Allen at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, dave mcbride said: Daboll's offense presents qbs with a lot of options (the scheme is good and aggressive), and I do think that Barkley gets through progressions a lot faster than Allen at this point. That's what I've been trying to say. Thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, GG said: That's what I've been trying to say. Thanks for the clarification. The Bills offense now is 9th in yards overall but 27th in points per drive and 29th in turnovers given up (with 32nd being the worst). That tells you something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dous21 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 26 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: (with BYE weeks in the books you can't just go be total yards) Titans D - Net yards - 17th* - Bills 3rd - AVG YPG - 14th - Bills 2nd AVG Passing Defense Stats - All NFL Tenny - 14th - Bills 4th AVG Rushing Defense Stats - All NFL Tenny - 15th - Bills 7th Buffalo's TOP 10 Defense should handle the Titans. Barkley just needs to be a care taker no he doesn't lol. Barkley needs to put up points. being a "care taker" doesn't win you games in todays NFL. Titans could put up 10 points and it might be enough to beat us because thats how terrible our offense is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, GG said: At this point in time, running the offense that Daboll has installed, I think that Barkley will put up more points. One thing I'm looking for with Barkley is him getting the ball out fast. He's pretty good with his reads and understands his arm limitations. He's a good fit for Daboll's offense and I expect we'll see Beasley heavily involved this week... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: The Bills offense now is 9th in yards overall but 27th in points per drive and 29th in turnovers given up (with 32nd being the worst). That tells you something. I brought up a point after the Jets game that Allen moving the ball well in the 1st half could have been part of the defensive game plan. I think the book is clear on him. Don't give up the big play and let the Bills utilize 10-12 play drives, because there's a high probability of him making a critical mistake in those 10-12 plays. So far, the D coordinators haven't been wrong. Edited September 30, 2019 by GG 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, GG said: I brought up a point after the Jets game that Allen moving the ball well in the 1st half could have been part of the defensive game plan. I think the book is clear on him. Don't give up the big play and let the Bills utilize 10-12 drives, because there's a high probability of him making a critical mistake in those 10-12 plays. So far, the D coordinators haven't been wrong. How many times now has he gotten to the 30/25 yard line and then taken either a horrible sack or grounded it? I think it's five times now in four games. He did it twice yesterday, and it arguably cost the Bills 6 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, dous21 said: no he doesn't lol. Barkley needs to put up points. being a "care taker" doesn't win you games in todays NFL. Titans could put up 10 points and it might be enough to beat us because thats how terrible our offense is. Agree to disagree. Care Takers can put up points. Matt doesn't need to be heroic. He just needs to be sound behind the center. Barkley got 1 GS last season. 60 % comp ratio and 2 TD's in a WIN last season. Final Score Bufflao 41 NYETS 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 34 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: (with BYE weeks in the books you can't just go be total yards) Titans D - Net yards - 17th* - Bills 3rd - AVG YPG - 14th - Bills 2nd AVG Passing Defense Stats - All NFL Tenny - 14th - Bills 4th AVG Rushing Defense Stats - All NFL Tenny - 15th - Bills 7th Buffalo's TOP 10 Defense should handle the Titans. Barkley just needs to be a care taker Tennessee has played a much harder schedule. Honestly, I have no idea what to think of the Titans. Every time I think they suck, they win. Every time I think they might be ok, they lose. This game is a coin flip but the good thing is it will be like a home game with all the Bills fans there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 lets not pretend Matt is a complete Failure nor claim he's a stud and should take over for Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: lets not pretend Matt is a complete Failure nor claim he's a stud and should take over for Josh. A 67 career qb rating is pretty awful. I think you would be hard pressed to find a qb with that many starts with a worse one. That said, our defense is awesome and he just needs to not lose the game if he plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Tennessee has played a much harder schedule. Honestly, I have no idea what to think of the Titans. Every time I think they suck, they win. Every time I think they might be ok, they lose. This game is a coin flip but the good thing is it will be like a home game with all the Bills fans there. Sure, to an extent, you could say that. Record wise you are correct. However.... when you look at it .... they don't stack up as a powerhouse team. 2-2 Browns that LOST to the JETS with L. Falk as QB , 2-2 Colts, L's against Chargers and RAIDERS. W against 2-2 Titans and 1-3 Falcons. 2-2 Jags L's against KC and HOU. W against Titans and the winless 0-4 Bronco's 1-3 Falcons. L's against Vikes, Colts and Titans, W against the Iggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Tennessee has played a much harder schedule. Honestly, I have no idea what to think of the Titans. Every time I think they suck, they win. Every time I think they might be ok, they lose. This game is a coin flip but the good thing is it will be like a home game with all the Bills fans there. The last 3 times the Bills have played them, they have been 1-point games (13-12, 14-13, and 35-34) with the Bills winning twice and TN once. So basically, a coin flip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: A 67 career qb rating is pretty awful. I think you would be hard pressed to find a qb with that many starts with a worse one. That said, our defense is awesome and he just needs to not lose the game if he plays. As a Buffalo Bills IMO he's done well. He's a QB with a head. He is not TT or MC, or NP or KO. As to why he was sitting in his couch before Buffalo grabbed him I'll not argue that. 3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: The last 3 times the Bills have played them, they have been 1-point games (13-12, 14-13, and 35-34) with the Bills winning twice and TN once. So basically, a coin flip. Which Mariota will we get? the 3 TD guy or the JAG guy? their Defense rankings depending on the category range hovers around # 17 Edited September 30, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, dave mcbride said: The last 3 times the Bills have played them, they have been 1-point games (13-12, 14-13, and 35-34) with the Bills winning twice and TN once. So basically, a coin flip. Good stat. The Titans might be most forgettable team in the nfl. Side note Dave. What do you think of Mariota? Apparently, he’s the only qb to not turn the ball over but sometimes he is so underwhelming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 17 hours ago, GG said: Short term vs long term goal? This could be a case where Josh again benefits from sitting down and watching. I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: As a Buffalo Bills IMO he's done well. He's a QB with a head. He is not TT or MC, or NP or KO. As to why he was sitting in his couch before Buffalo grabbed him I'll not argue that. Which Mariota will we get? the 3 TD guy or the JAG guy? Tyrod is miles better than MB. Kinda insulting to compare them. And even though he’s a coward and I hate him, Orton is way better too. Some of you put way too much stock in one game. I think MB could win but his arm is really weak and he will get destroyed if he has to play a lot. And I love him coming out of college. He just doesn’t have the physical tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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