Buffalo_Gal Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Just to be clear: the President is adhering to the Senate-ratified treaty with Ukraine on "Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters." But is withdrawing from the Paris Accords, which the Senate never ratified. And you think this is "L'etat c'est moi?" If you keep asking him to think logically, you will make his head explode. And then how will he earn his paycheck here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share Posted November 4, 2019 20 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Just to be clear: the President is adhering to the Senate-ratified treaty with Ukraine on "Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters." But is withdrawing from the Paris Accords, which the Senate never ratified. And you think this is "L'etat c'est moi?" By going after his political opponet??? Lol, that's a pretty stupid spin move 17 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: If you keep asking him to think logically, you will make his head explode. And then how will he earn his paycheck here? Trump supporter claiming someone else doesn't think rationally, ok comrade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) The reason no one takes your argument, or this whole set up, seriously is because you spent the past three years lauding the left for doing what you’re accusing trump of doing on this call. Obama and Clinton both paid for, and used pressure, to get foreign intelligence services to interfere in our election at the expense of their political opponent. When you have no principles, and prove that daily, you are rightfully ignored. Edited November 4, 2019 by Deranged Rhino 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: By going after his political opponet??? Lol, that's a pretty stupid spin move So running for office provides immunity from criminal investigation? 23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: If you keep asking him to think logically, you will make his head explode. And then how will he earn his paycheck here? Who cares? If his head explodes, maybe he'll stop posting. Of course, if his head explodes, it's clearly not going to injure anything vital. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share Posted November 4, 2019 Just now, DC Tom said: So running for office provides immunity from criminal investigation? Why are you arguing this? He held up military aide to aid to get an investigation launched to help his political campaign. You think that’s fine. Is that right? I guess its just cool to f*** over the Dems anyway you can, huh? Legal or not. You want a criminal president, all of you do. 8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: The reason no one takes your argument, or this whole set up, seriously is because you spent the past three years lauding the left for doing what you’re accusing trump of doing on this call. Obama and Clinton both paid for, and used pressure, to get foreign intelligence services to interfere in our election at the expense of their political opponent. When you have no principles, and prove that daily, you are rightfully ignored. No, that’s a lie Im being ignored? Am I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 The emails. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 It’s not a lie. There’s 100x the evidence to prove it compared to either Trump/Russia or Trump/Ukraine. Hillary paid Steele for his work. Steele is a foreign spy. Obama pressured GCGQ to break protocol and use Brennan as their point of contact instead of Rogers. They did this for political reasons, to harm their political opponent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: It’s not a lie. There’s 100x the evidence to prove it compared to either Trump/Russia or Trump/Ukraine. Hillary paid Steele for his work. Steele is a foreign spy. Obama pressured GCGQ to break protocol and use Brennan as their point of contact instead of Rogers. They did this for political reasons, to harm their political opponent. So full of it. Fake news. 4 minutes ago, Hedge said: The emails. But Biden was fighting to end the corruption. Meanwhile, Rudy’s Ukrainian buddies are in jail after they helped get rid of Ukraine ambassador because she was fighting corruption. So corrupt. Trump presidency is a criminal conspiracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Three years later and you still think Hillary's campaign did not pay Christopher Steele for his work on the dossier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 22 minutes ago, Tiberius said: By going after his political opponet??? Lol, that's a pretty stupid spin move Just because you're running for Prez, it doesn't mean your corruption can't be investigated. 9 minutes ago, Hedge said: The emails. Ouch. That one's gonna hurt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Why are you arguing this? He held up military aide to aid to get an investigation launched to help his political campaign. You think that’s fine. Is that right? Why are YOU arguing this? Should Biden be immune from investigation because he's running for office, or not? If not, then what makes Trump discussing it (not even asking for an investigation - he asked for an investigation into Ukraine's role in the 2016 election; Biden came up later in the conversation) election interference and not foreign policy conducted under the guidelines of the 20 year old treaty signed by Clinton? Make a case. I'm begging you to make an actual case that the President can't request cooperation from an ally in a criminal investigation because a person in an unrelated, closed investigation is running for office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Why are YOU arguing this? Should Biden be immune from investigation because he's running for office, or not? If not, then what makes Trump discussing it (not even asking for an investigation - he asked for an investigation into Ukraine's role in the 2016 election; Biden came up later in the conversation) election interference and not foreign policy conducted under the guidelines of the 20 year old treaty signed by Clinton? Make a case. I'm begging you to make an actual case that the President can't request cooperation from an ally in a criminal investigation because a person in an unrelated, closed investigation is running for office. Because it’s so obviously corrupt. Trump isn’t discussing, he’s forcing a foreign power to do his bidding or else. The Russians are invading and Trump wants a tv spot or they don’t get aid. Trump can request, but he can’t shake them down. That’s very different. And now this https://thehill.com/homenews/house/468918-lawyer-says-giuliani-associate-lev-parnas-prepared-to-comply-in-impeachment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: Because it’s so obviously corrupt. Trump isn’t discussing, he’s forcing a foreign power to do his bidding or else. The Russians are invading and Trump wants a tv spot or they don’t get aid. Trump can request, but he can’t shake them down. That’s very different. Yes, what Joe did by firing the prosecutor for investigating his son's company for corruption is so obviously corrupt. And that's what Trump wanted to expose. Along with other dirty dealings by Ukraine and the Dems trying to prevent him from getting elected. Since it doesn't fit your narrative... And there was no shake down. They felt no pressure and they got their money without doing any of the stuff they were allegedly supposed to do to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Because it’s so obviously corrupt. Trump isn’t discussing, he’s forcing a foreign power to do his bidding or else Trump asked the Ukraine to investigate “IT” not “HIM”! And then he says “IT” was horrible...not “HE” was horrible. Read the damn transcript! (And take a basic English class.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 28 minutes ago, Doc said: They felt no pressure and they got their money without doing any of the stuff they were allegedly supposed to do to get it. See, this is what makes Trump's corruption so insidious. Not only did Ukraine get their aid without having to do anything, but they didn't even know they were being corruptly shaken down! This is proof positive that Trump should be #impeached! See, I used a pound sign to show how important this is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 33 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Because it’s so obviously corrupt. Trump isn’t discussing, he’s forcing a foreign power to do his bidding or else. So you're now arguing that he drew a red line and didn't go back on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 17 minutes ago, DC Tom said: So you're now arguing that he drew a red line and didn't go back on it? Proof of Trump's treason! ...Or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Koko78 said: Proof of Trump's treason! ...Or something. Could just as easily point out that it was reported in 2015 that Biden was withholding a billion dollars of aid from the Ukraine unless the prosecutor investigating his son's company (where he was not just "on the board," but was providing legal counsel concerning corporate transparency, coincident with Burisma's efforts to lobby Congress for more aid) was fired. But I guess that's foreign policy, as opposed to withholding a billion dollars of aid unless the firing of the investigator was investigated, which is clearly NOT a foreign policy exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Yeah but that's different. And OK.[libbstalkingpoint] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 2 hours ago, DC Tom said: Who cares? If his head explodes, maybe he'll stop posting. Of course, if his head explodes, it's clearly not going to injure anything vital. Hmmm so maybe if PPP stops engaging him? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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