Royale with Cheese Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Who was the better lead for Genesis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) based on the thread title ... I wanted to say Genesis both are good. Edited August 13, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 13, 2019 Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: based on the misleading thread title ... I wanted to say Genesis both are good. Are you high right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 I wish Maybe THATS the problem!!! Both had solo careers and did well. In the band Genesis both were excellent there you go ... I FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Less thrilled with Gabriel G and his solo work as I age. best G song ever is Dance on a Volcano, good fun figuring it out on my own for many years as a crummy drummer. Phil’s later G and solo gains in enjoyment as time passes. my Lord of the Rings, punk rock days are over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 13, 2019 Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 Are Shady and Row writing a song right now? Both of your replies are in a song lyric format. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 It’s how we rhapsodize when playing music critic? Good find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Peter Gabriel was far better as the lead singer of Genesis. The band went downhill with captain commercial as the lead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 13, 2019 Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: Peter Gabriel was far better as the lead singer of Genesis. The band went downhill with captain commercial as the lead. I think I can agree with this. Some of the Genesis songs with Phil Collins are just cheesy and terrible songs. The "I Can't Dance" song I think is just terrible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Just now, frostbitmic said: Peter Gabriel was far better as the lead singer of Genesis. The band went downhill with captain commercial as the lead. Wasn’t thrilled with most of Lamb at the time, first 3 “Phil” albums were mainly written by Banks and Rutherford finally allowed to get flowing. They are excellent. phil couldn’t drum and sing these songs so they hired Bill Bruford for first year tours. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Depends. If you like real prog rock, then Gabriel. If you prefer bubble-gum pop, then it's Collins. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 13, 2019 Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, WhoTom said: Depends. If you like real prog rock, then Gabriel. If you prefer bubble-gum pop, then it's Collins. Or if you're a psycho....Collins. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, WhoTom said: Depends. If you like real prog rock, then Gabriel. If you prefer bubble-gum pop, then it's Collins. Trick, Wind and Three are great prog albums. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Two eras of Genesis, both unique, the latter being commercially successful beyond belief. I'll take Gabriel's Genesis everyday of the week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 I'm in the Collins boat, but my favorite song of theirs may be a Gabriel one. Really dig The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. I'm just not into the progressive rock that much and Collins had a more mainstream sound when he took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) They were both good...each bringing their own sound. Gabriel provided a darker, ambient and progressive sound. Collins more of a mainstream pop sound. Edited August 13, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 33 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: Two eras of Genesis, both unique, the latter being commercially successful beyond belief. I'll take Gabriel's Genesis everyday of the week. No no no. between Gabriel and Phil’s pop dreams was a third era of Rutherford/Banks writing with Phil singing. it deserves its own recognition and is a bit below the best of Gabriel’s work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: Who was the better lead for Genesis? Genesis IS 5 members led by Gabriel. The Collins trio is decent pop but not real Genesis. Journey is another group, started as a progressive jazz rock offshoot of Santana, then wimped out to the Steve Perry led "Open Arms" mom band. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 The Journey debut album was excellent. It sounded nothing like the commercial music they would later produce. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Genesis IS 5 members led by Gabriel. The Collins trio is decent pop but not real Genesis. Journey is another group, started as a progressive jazz rock offshoot of Santana, then wimped out to the Steve Perry led "Open Arms" mom band. Gabriel was the man. Yes he had a much more darker and introspective sound, but that was his trademark...progressive rock wasnt intended to be a cheery top 40 sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 So, this was my prized possession in high school, a singed copy of this..to bad i cant find it Amazon has them selling for $100!!! Who do ya think i liked better. Alas, too young to ever see them play together, but Gabriel at Kleinhans at least 2 times...awesome shows!!!! https://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Know-What-Armando-Gallo/dp/0960403604 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 We do what we're told! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think I can agree with this. Some of the Genesis songs with Phil Collins are just cheesy and terrible songs. The "I Can't Dance" song I think is just terrible. Collins went too far at times. He ran with an original progressive idea and commercialized the heck out of it. A sound that once fostered imagination and transcendence, could now be found reworked at local clubs! Edited August 14, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 I can’t complain about a run from Trespass to And Then There Were Three And Duke and Abacab were good albums and Peter and Phil solo work was separate genres but enjoyable as well guess the only complaint is just that sellout Phil was everywhere at the time and very very annoying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think I can agree with this. Some of the Genesis songs with Phil Collins are just cheesy and terrible songs. The "I Can't Dance" song I think is just terrible. Some of Phil Collins songs were used effectively to evoke a mood on shows like Miami Vice. In the Air tonight, I don't care anymore to name a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Honestly, I can't tell the difference between Phil Collins songs with Genesis, or solo work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said: Honestly, I can't tell the difference between Phil Collins songs with Genesis, or solo work. It’s amazing how he gained confidence in so quick a time on the spot and it kept growing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Two completely different bands. Just like DLR-era VH and Sammy-era VH. Both awesome, but two completely different bands. With regard to Journey, the Gregg Rollie departure was more impactful than the Steve Perry addition. When Jonathon Cain replaced Rollie, that's when Journey turned to pure cheese. The post-Gabriel Genesis had a decision to make ... keep making traditional Genesis music, or may a shitload of money. They chose the money, as many/most bands end up doing. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Two completely different bands. Just like DLR-era VH and Sammy-era VH. Both awesome, but two completely different bands. With regard to Journey, the Gregg Rollie departure was more impactful than the Steve Perry addition. When Jonathon Cain replaced Rollie, that's when Journey turned to pure cheese. The post-Gabriel Genesis had a decision to make ... keep making traditional Genesis music, or may a shitload of money. They chose the money, as many/most bands end up doing. Again ignoring the first 5 albums without Peter and pretending the whole Phil G thing started with Mama and Land of Confusion... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Just now, row_33 said: Again ignoring the first 5 albums without Peter and pretending the whole Phil G thing started with Mama and Land of Confusion... My post was unclear. I know they made "Genesis," music after Gabriel left and before they sold out. I failed to acknowledge that. But "Invisible Touch," was 100% a pop, cheesy ballad, album. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Gugny said: My post was unclear. I know they made "Genesis," music after Gabriel left and before they sold out. I failed to acknowledge that. But "Invisible Touch," was 100% a pop, cheesy ballad, album. I’ll raise you and call the prior Genesis eponymous album with Mama the tipping point, still a decent album. Edited August 13, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: I’ll raise you and call the prior Genesis with Mama the tipping point, still a decent album. I think "Genesis," to Genesis is what "Escape," was to Journey and what "Joshua Tree" was to U2. Their last good album; but not their last great album. Definitely more sell-out than not; but still a good album. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: I think "Genesis," to Genesis is what "Escape," was to Journey and what "Joshua Tree" was to U2. Their last good album; but not their last great album. Definitely more sell-out than not; but still a good album. If only Phil has turned it down 10 percent on his obnoxious public act..... bingo on Joshua Tree, didn’t help the Bee Gees released an album at that time with almost the same cover. It was like my stock as a fan of U2 went from $25,000 a share to $5 after it Edited August 13, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, Gugny said: My post was unclear. I know they made "Genesis," music after Gabriel left and before they sold out. I failed to acknowledge that. But "Invisible Touch," was 100% a pop, cheesy ballad, album. They had no business being "Genesis" anymore! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 We are cool with Duke and Abacab being worthy? At the very least for a theme running through both for old times sake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: They had no business being "Genesis" anymore! I have no idea what genre all of that crap fell under. It sounded silly...just as bad as David Lee Roth singing "Might as well jump!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Gugny said: Two completely different bands. Just like DLR-era VH and Sammy-era VH. Both awesome, but two completely different bands. With regard to Journey, the Gregg Rollie departure was more impactful than the Steve Perry addition. When Jonathon Cain replaced Rollie, that's when Journey turned to pure cheese. The post-Gabriel Genesis had a decision to make ... keep making traditional Genesis music, or may a shitload of money. They chose the money, as many/most bands end up doing. Journey sold out for corny pop after "Wheel in the sky" and "Genesis" did as well. Edited August 13, 2019 by Rocket94 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, row_33 said: If only Phil has turned it down 10 percent on his obnoxious public act..... bingo on Joshua Tree, didn’t help the Bee Gees released an album at that time with almost the same cover. It was like my stock as a fan of U2 went from $25,000 a share to $5 after it Yeah, I was a huge U2 fan and absolutely LOVED Unforgettable Fire. "With or Without You," was the "Every Breath You Take," of that year. Blech. 1 minute ago, Rocket94 said: Journey sold out for corny pop after "Wheel in the sky" and "Genesis" did as well. I have zero problem with bands selling out. Gotta pay the beels. Even Zep sold out with "In Through the Out Door." Bonham's death was tragic and it's a crappy way to end a run. But I shiver when I think of what may have been next from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, row_33 said: If only Phil has turned it down 10 percent on his obnoxious public act..... bingo on Joshua Tree, didn’t help the Bee Gees released an album at that time with almost the same cover. It was like my stock as a fan of U2 went from $25,000 a share to $5 after it Under the guise of a nameless band, U2 make an excellent album entitled "Passengers" in 1995. It was an imaginary soundtrack with an ambient/progressive sound. 9 hours ago, Gugny said: Yeah, I was a huge U2 fan and absolutely LOVED Unforgettable Fire. "With or Without You," was the "Every Breath You Take," of that year. Blech. I have zero problem with bands selling out. Gotta pay the beels. Even Zep sold out with "In Through the Out Door." Bonham's death was tragic and it's a crappy way to end a run. But I shiver when I think of what may have been next from them. I loved Led Zeppelin when I was young...Albums 1-4 and then Kashmir! That song helped elicit a few kicks and long week ends! Edited August 14, 2019 by Rocket94 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, Gugny said: Yeah, I was a huge U2 fan and absolutely LOVED Unforgettable Fire. "With or Without You," was the "Every Breath You Take," of that year. Blech. I have zero problem with bands selling out. Gotta pay the beels. Even Zep sold out with "In Through the Out Door." Bonham's death was tragic and it's a crappy way to end a run. But I shiver when I think of what may have been next from them. Like me I pray you’ve been spared everything U2 has done since Joshua Tree.... Had a copy of Boy the week it was released and all the EPs imported and then JT and I metaphysically vomited for some reason (Pretending mighty hard I haven’t seen Journey mentioned on this thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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