Orlando Buffalo Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 25 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Yup. Move to Florida. It may have been pitched that way but it made the deductions and loopholes easier to take advantage of if you look at the fine print. The private plane and yacht loophole is the most comical. Buffett who you quoted even said he only had to pay 17.4% of his taxable income to the Feds in 2018. Vs the 16% he paid in 2015. But whatever you feel is real math.
Deranged Rhino Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: You should check your facts. You're wrong. Both Trump and Hillary were warned about Russian interference. Bill Barr acknowledges this. You are wrong. The FBI not only didn’t warn the Trump campaign that four of their employees were under investigation, they wired up a bunch of spies to entrap the campaign instead. Try again. 4 4
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 (edited) I'll address what others have not yet responded to: -I won't bemoan you of this, but it is my understanding that you retired at a relatively young age. Is that correct? I realize I don't actually know how old you are, but I thought you were younger... like in your 40s or early 50s. If so, you and your hubby are probably in a pretty good place financially and have been for years I apologize if I'm mistaken on that last point but it seems like a logical conclusion if you were able to retire young. understand some individuals might be paying more under Obamacare and I'm not going to pretend it's a perfect law, but it's done a lot more good than bad in this country, especially for low income uninsured people. I would not have minded paying more if I was getting more. Instead, it Obamacare gave us choices of craptastic insurance plan A and craptastic insurance plan B (and NYS was one of the "lucky" states with choices!). Oh, and here's the higher bill you can pay, thank-you-very-much. Next time Nancy Pelosi says, "We have to pass XX to see what is in it," I am holding on to my wallet and crying. One thing I wish Trump would do (I "think" he may need Congress to do it though) is insurance across state lines. That might help. It might not, but people cannot keep paying the higher premiums for worse insurance. -It's not true he plays golf way more than President Obama did? It's not true that he constantly plays on his own resorts or spends weekends in Mara Lago in a resort his company owns? It's not true his company benefits financially in some way from him doing this? It's not true that out of the blue we started flying Military planes to a small airport near one of Trump's Golf courses out of the blue? Is he not allowed to exercise? People will complain he's fat, then in the next breath complain he's taking his down time in a round of golf. I am sure you cheered on King Put when he was out goofin'. Why complain when Trump goes out and does the same? Edited June 12, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal 3
Doc Brown Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 48 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Vs the 16% he paid in 2015. But whatever you feel is real math. Is it your contention that the 2017 tax cuts and jobs act brought in more federal tax revenue than before its passage?
Orlando Buffalo Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: Is it your contention that the 2017 tax cuts and jobs act brought in more federal tax revenue than before its passage? I did not mention total tax revenue neither did you, but I will now make that contention based on this info which I believe is correct and yes revenue did go up for the federal govt. https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/federal-receipt-and-outlay-summary If you have different info I will look at it
Doc Brown Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I did not mention total tax revenue neither did you, but I will now make that contention based on this info which I believe is correct and yes revenue did go up for the federal govt. https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/federal-receipt-and-outlay-summary If you have different info I will look at it So, you're saying the imaginary numbers in my head are not accurate. I stand corrected. My apologies.
transplantbillsfan Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: You are wrong. The FBI not only didn’t warn the Trump campaign that four of their employees were under investigation, they wired up a bunch of spies to entrap the campaign instead. Try again. As I said, Trump was warned Russians were meddling. Both he and Hilary were warned in August of 2016. Can't muster up the courage to admit you were wrong, can you?
Foxx Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 a good read. https://twitter.com/LeeSmithDC/status/1270583489189027840 1 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 8 hours ago, Doc Brown said: So, you're saying the imaginary numbers in my head are not accurate. I stand corrected. My apologies. Not a problen at all- you probably just listened to a politician and assumed they were not lying- a mistake I have made Many times and usually regret.
SoCal Deek Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: As I said, Trump was warned Russians were meddling. Both he and Hilary were warned in August of 2016. Can't muster up the courage to admit you were wrong, can you? You may be misrepresenting the warnings. Remember the contention is that Trump was colluding, not that the Russians were meddling. If I’m Donald Trump at that time, prior to the election, and I know I’m not talking to any Russians....my reaction is going to be “OK, so what? I’ll let you know if I hear anything....next!”
Orlando Buffalo Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: As I said, Trump was warned Russians were meddling. Both he and Hilary were warned in August of 2016. Can't muster up the courage to admit you were wrong, can you? " It was a "lesser briefing, that generally discussed general threats", which means it did not discuss any specific threats. An intelligent person would not hang their hat on general info when it states clearly that he was not given any actionable Intel and pretend it is the same.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: As I said, Trump was warned Russians were meddling. Both he and Hilary were warned in August of 2016. Can't muster up the courage to admit you were wrong, can you? In retrospect, then Candidate Trump should have been warned about the Obama administration and weaponization of the FBI and DOJ by Obama/Biden, the CIA attempting to unseat him, manipulation and lies to the FISA court, and unmasking of US citizens, and mainstream media outlets like the Washington post participating in circular and duplicitous reporting for 4 years to destroy his presidency. The Russians were irrelevant, more or less, until suddenly, as if by magic, in the waning days of the 8 year reign of team O’Biden, they were at the gates. Ironically, the greatest threat to a fair election was the segment of the population who bought the mythical tale of hookers, golden showers, the chastity of Team O’Biden, a free an independent press and anonymous sources, and a boogeyman from Leningrad. Phase II is the reimagination of Joe Biden as an able and honest statesman. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: As I said, Trump was warned Russians were meddling. Both he and Hilary were warned in August of 2016. Can't muster up the courage to admit you were wrong, can you? They warned the campaign about Flynn? Popadopolous? Manafort? Nope. They wired up spies to entrap the campaign instead. You're wrong. All the way. 1
Keukasmallies Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 21 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: You need to be able to distinguish between races in order to talk about race. Would it be easier for you if we listed our race in each post? How do you sort us out? 1
transplantbillsfan Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 6 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: You may be misrepresenting the warnings. Remember the contention is that Trump was colluding, not that the Russians were meddling. If I’m Donald Trump at that time, prior to the election, and I know I’m not talking to any Russians....my reaction is going to be “OK, so what? I’ll let you know if I hear anything....next!” Dude you're having a different conversation. Go back and read how this back and forth started between DR and me.
Deranged Rhino Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 Just now, transplantbillsfan said: Dude you're having a different conversation. Go back and read how this back and forth started between DR and me. It started with you saying the Trump campaign was warned and briefed by the FBI. They were not warned that four of their members were under investigation. Compared to how the same group of FBI agents treated Hillary Clinton's campaign with regards to her emails (no official interviews, lawyers allowed to be present, full deference given) in the same summer -- it's blatantly false to claim that the FBI was on the up and up with the Trump campaign. They weren't. They didn't warn Trump, instead they wired up informants to try to spy on the campaign instead. Hence why people are going to jail. 6
transplantbillsfan Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 6 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: " It was a "lesser briefing, that generally discussed general threats", which means it did not discuss any specific threats. An intelligent person would not hang their hat on general info when it states clearly that he was not given any actionable Intel and pretend it is the same. For someone not in the room when these threats were discussed, you seem to be reaching your own conclusion of the words of an AG who moments before denied it even happened and then had to correct himself. In fact Barr was asked directly "what the Russians were trying to do and advise him to tell people affiliated with his campaign to be on their guard and be vigilant about Russian efforts to undermine public confidence in the election." Barr responded "My understanding is that didn't happen, Under these circumstances, it's one of the things that I can't fathom why it did not happen, if you're concerned about interference in the election and you have substantial people involved in the campaign who were former U.S. attorneys" Then after an apparent break, Barr comes back and has to walk back his comments. One might argue in his situation as he contradicts something he just said he did so artfully and diplomatically. Nonetheless, it demonstrates that the Obama Administration did, in fact, warn the Trump campaign about Russian meddling and interference. If you want to argue they didn't go far enough, that's a different discussion. But anyone saying the Trump campaign wasn't warned about Russian meddling is just plain wrong, as current AG Bill Barr himself acknowledged publicly. 7 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: In retrospect, then Candidate Trump should have been warned about the Obama administration and weaponization of the FBI and DOJ by Obama/Biden, the CIA attempting to unseat him, manipulation and lies to the FISA court, and unmasking of US citizens, and mainstream media outlets like the Washington post participating in circular and duplicitous reporting for 4 years to destroy his presidency. The Russians were irrelevant, more or less, until suddenly, as if by magic, in the waning days of the 8 year reign of team O’Biden, they were at the gates. Ironically, the greatest threat to a fair election was the segment of the population who bought the mythical tale of hookers, golden showers, the chastity of Team O’Biden, a free an independent press and anonymous sources, and a boogeyman from Leningrad. Phase II is the reimagination of Joe Biden as an able and honest statesman.
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